Sales Discussion Thread, 2019

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FORZA HORIZON 4 EXCEEDS 12 MILLION GLOBAL PLAYERS

also says more than 4 million players engage with the game on a monthly basis. 2 million added just this summer.
 

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UK chart

  1. Astral Chain
  2. Wreckfest
  3. Man of Medan
  4. Control
  5. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
  6. Crash Team Racing
  7. Super Mario Maker 2
  8. Marvel's Spider-Man
  9. GTA5
  10. The Division 2
 

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1. Madden NFL 20
2. Minecraft
3. Grand Theft Auto V
4. Fire Emblem: Three Houses
5. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
6. Super Mario Maker 2
7. Mario Kart 8
8. Mortal Kombat 11
9. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Siege
10. Astral Chain
11. Marvel’s Spider-Man
12. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
13. Red Dead Redemption II
14. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
15. Age of Wonders: Planetfall
16. Super Mario Party
17. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order
18. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe
19. The Dark Pictures: Man of Medan
20. Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey
 

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From Zhuge:

PlayStation 4 sell through in the US has now surpassed 30 million, with the market accounting for approximately 30% of total PS4 sales.

Other top markets include:

Japan: 8.3m
Germany: 7.2m
UK: 6.8m
 

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Gamepass must be really cutting into gears sales, that or it's just not that popular in the UK anymore. Either way it's hard to see how GP is going to be profitable though, I only spent $2 for a two month trial to play the game and I won't be renewing to the service once the two month trial runs out, I'm sure a lot of other people did the same thing.

Gears 5 isn’t off to a good start at retail in the UK. Launch sales recorded by ukie track the game in second place for the week, with numbers hitting just a quarter of what Gears 4 achieved in the same amount of time. Meanwhile, Borderlands 3 absolutely smashed it, recording the biggest physical launch of 2019 so far.

In its first week, Gears of War 3 sold 20x more packaged units than Gears 5 and Gears of War 4 sold 4.5x.
 

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Gamepass must be really cutting into gears sales, that or it's just not that popular in the UK anymore. Either way it's hard to see how GP is going to be profitable though, I only spent $2 for a two month trial to play the game and I won't be renewing to the service once the two month trial runs out, I'm sure a lot of other people did the same thing.
the whole point is that when you go and get that GP the players will see other games that they can download under that service. The days of using Physical copies are over and it is useless. There is a new way to generate money and Microsoft has the key.
 
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Gamepass must be really cutting into gears sales, that or it's just not that popular in the UK anymore. Either way it's hard to see how GP is going to be profitable though, I only spent $2 for a two month trial to play the game and I won't be renewing to the service once the two month trial runs out, I'm sure a lot of other people did the same thing.
 

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Who would buy it when you can pay $2 for gamepass
And how does that make money long term, basically though microtransactions being forced into everything right? eventually these $1 trials are going to have to stop, hell I had a membership before and they still let me do the $2 trial. They always talk about how many subs they have but do they ever separate out how many are paying full price? This would have been a game that generally brought in hundreds of millions of dollars on it's own, I doubt they make the money back they spent on it this way unless people who subscribed go crazy over buying skins or something down the road.
 
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the whole point is that when you go and get that GP the players will see other games that they can download under that service. The days of using Physical copies are over and it is useless. There is a new way to generate money and Microsoft has the key.
They are going to have to change the pricing structure at some point or 1st party stuff is going to all be more AA than AAA unless they build all of their future titles around microtransactions. They've talked about focusing more on games as a service in the past, that's the only way something like GP makes sense financially.
 
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^someone seems to forget that game sales have INCREASED thanks to Game Pass. There is an online record of 3 developers stating this, and MS has stated this in February of 2019.

Also, that $2 is limited by account. If you go to Resetera, people have already talked about how their promo has ended and they are being charged the normal amount and have NOT been able to renew at the $2. Granted, some are creating new accounts and signing up again, but those people are in the extreme minority and of course you have to have an all new gamertag. <--that is not the norm.
 

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^someone seems to forget that game sales have INCREASED thanks to Game Pass. There is an online record of 3 developers stating this, and MS has stated this in February of 2019.

Also, that $2 is limited by account. If you go to Resetera, people have already talked about how their promo has ended and they are being charged the normal amount and have NOT been able to renew at the $2. Granted, some are creating new accounts and signing up again, but those people are in the extreme minority and of course you have to have an all new gamertag. <--that is not the norm.
So of all the games that have been in gamepass only 3 devs have said it increased sales.
 

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And how does that make money long term, basically though microtransactions being forced into everything right? eventually these $1 trials are going to have to stop, hell I had a membership before and they still let me do the $2 trial. They always talk about how many subs they have but do they ever separate out how many are paying full price? This would have been a game that generally brought in hundreds of millions of dollars on it's own, I doubt they make the money back they spent on it this way unless people who subscribed go crazy over buying skins or something down the road.
Well obviously they hope people will just sub at the full price continuously and when they really get their first party going I could see it

But all of my subs so far have been these cheap deals although they only let me do 1 month for $1 this time
 

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Well obviously they hope people will just sub at the full price continuously and when they really get their first party going I could see it

But all of my subs so far have been these cheap deals although they only let me do 1 month for $1 this time
That's the thing, normal GP would get them about $120 for a year which is the cost of two standard edition games, that doesn't seem like a whole lot coming in. I know the plan is get them in cheap and then get the games as a service or microtransaction thing going so you can bring in money long term and keep people engaged in your product but I just don't see that working .
 

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the whole point is that when you go and get that GP the players will see other games that they can download under that service. The days of using Physical copies are over and it is useless. There is a new way to generate money and Microsoft has the key.
no f*** that service
It being mainly used on a 1 or 2 month trial HURTS it's sales.
 
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GP is a good service I like it. Discovered some good games on it that I would have never tried otherwise.

I do kinda agree, it’s hard to see them making money with this service in the long term though.
 

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Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation


Why is this even in the sales thread? No sales numbers. No sub breakdown.

MS basicly created their own own PR propaganda machine this gen.
 

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Might as well delete the topic then as 90% of it is numberless now with digital being such a big part of things
 
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Gamepass must be really cutting into gears sales, that or it's just not that popular in the UK anymore. Either way it's hard to see how GP is going to be profitable though, I only spent $2 for a two month trial to play the game and I won't be renewing to the service once the two month trial runs out, I'm sure a lot of other people did the same thing.
And borderlands 2 sold twice as much as 3... but oddly you didn't quote the most important bit.

Digital is much bigger than it was when B2 released and its even a lot bigger than when Gears 4 released.

GamePass obviously isn't hurting as MS would have changed something about it.

Boarderlands is also on more platforms
 
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And borderlands 2 sold twice as much as 3... but oddly you didn't quote the most important bit.

Digital is much bigger than it was when B2 released and its even a lot bigger than when Gears 4 released.

GamePass obviously isn't hurting as MS would have changed something about it.

Boarderlands is also on more platforms
BL2 selling twice as much as 3, ok 50% drop vs over 75% drop. God of war just last year sold better at retail than any previous god of war in the UK, Spider-Man broke records at retail in the UK, Fifa sold over a million copies there, people still buy retail even if some want to pretend that they don't, yes it's percentage is shrinking but it's still significant. Borderlands being on more platforms doesn't matter, the last one was too.

One quote in that article actually says physical and digital. Game pass is obviously what's digging into sales there, you notice MS didn't mention sales just record number of people playing? How many are playing on a $1 trial? I know I was as were others here, I wouldn't have paid to play the game otherwise and I won't be renewing my sub once it expires. The analysts they talk to in the article don't seem to think it's as cut and dry as you are presenting it here.

In my view it's clear MS is willing to lose money now to try to get people used to paying for another subscription service, that way they can focus more on games as a service as they said they would and get not only the $120 a year but hopefully money brought in from a lot of microtransactions in their games in
the future.

Edit: This article seems to be talking more about money brought in being mostly from digital because there are so many other options for monetization vs just selling a copy of a game, actual AAA game sales seem to still be mostly physical.



That digital revenue figure, which includes microtransactions, DLC, subscription services, pay-to-play as well as individual game sales,
is up 12.5 per cent year-on-year, while the physical revenue figure is down 2.8 per cent. Overall, the total game sales revenue figure is up 9.1 per cent year on year
The shift from physical to digital for the video game market has been a slow but inevitable one, but the split when it comes to unit sales varies depending on the video game. The biggest-selling console game of 2018, FIFA 19, sold 2.5m units, according to the ERA, with 75 per cent coming from physical formats.


So, for big mainstream triple-A video games such as FIFA, physical is still very much the driving force behind unit sales revenue. However, for pretty much everything else, digital dominates.
 
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