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Inappropriate topic for this thread. Might as well ask why the PS4 is shaped like a giant doorstop.
Some people are easily impressed also. Don't get your hopes up to high, that's all I'm saying.
Anderson, your math forgot to factor in number of countries. Sony launched in the same 13 as MS did, but has 35 more countries (assuming Extremetech's article is correct at 48 for PS4), so a more accurate measurement would be digging for the sales of these 13 countries for both and then doing your timeline math on a 13 country vs 13 country basis.
But what are the sales in those other 35 countries are they even relevant? How do you know MS will even sell in those countries?
And what about Japan, Sony has yet to launch there, but it will be significant. That will give them a good sales boost in a month.
And what about the fact that the PS4 is still hard to find in the U.S.? The One is available at every single Best Buy in the Chicagoland area but not the PS4, it's still very hard to find. How many additional consoles could they have sold in the US if they decided to put more units in the US rather than other countries?
You can look at this however you want and twist these numbers to make yourself happy. The truth is though that both are doing well, but the PS4 is doing better.
Launch dates and countries are part of strategy. You can't use it to handicap. Numbers are what they are. Are you still going to be twisting them in June or in 2015?
First of all, if you have reported numbers (and I dont' mean counts of people walking into stores to see how many of each is still available) on sales for each launch territory, I'd love to see it because I haven't seen anything like that reported anywhere.
Let's assume both have a similar manufacturing capacity and have produced 4.5 million consoles to sell over the last 6 weeks.
Microsoft launched in 13 countries, seeding them with 4.5 million consoles in the sales channel.
Sony launched in 45 (roughly) countries, seeding them with 4.5 million consoles in the sales channel.
In the Microsoft territories there are consoles to be found because it's a smaller pool of buyers.
In the Sony territories consoles are harder to come by, because there are still 4.5 million consoles but spread over more territories with more potential customers.
Just because consoles can be found on shelves in the Microsoft territories is not an indicator that it's selling poorly, but perhaps it means that the market is overstocked or otherwise has extra supply because of the smaller overall market it is available in.
Likewise, Sony being sold out everywhere doesn't necessarily mean anything other than the demand is outstripping the supply which is constrained by a much larger purchasing pool.
The best way to see how they are competing is to compare the numbers side by side in all of the countries that both consoles have released in. My hunch is that MS is kicking it in the US & Canada and behind in Europe but the overall sales numbers are probably very close.
Anderson, your math forgot to factor in number of countries. Sony launched in the same 13 as MS did, but has 35 more countries (assuming Extremetech's article is correct at 48 for PS4), so a more accurate measurement would be digging for the sales of these 13 countries for both and then doing your timeline math on a 13 country vs 13 country basis.
Yeah, I'll get right on that. lol.
So.. the *actual* metrics are 6.7:5.4 ....
Finally we have closure!!!!!
lol, no, I was just trying to respond to David's assertion that both were selling half a million a week.
Funny thing is I read all about these "X1 is available everywhere claims" and guess what?
Every time I've walked into a Costco, Future Shop, Best Buy, Walmart or Target since launch I have yet to see any on shelf. That goes for X1 and PS4. When I went to Toys R Us to buy my nieces gifts over the holidays I didn't see either system again.
The only units I've actually seen on shelf or being bought by someone are two people.... myself walking into a Future Shop the day after launch and asking a clerk if any are around. And secondly, in the same place some guy asking a different clerk before me if any PS4s are around. For both of us, yes there were around but behind counters.
So anyone can claim something based on some experiences and time of day.
Just like all those Amazon stock threads. Depending what day someone checks one system might be out of stock while another day it's the other way around.
Lastly, take it easy. See my emoitcon sign off when I posted to Anderson.
Some people, but I doubt that EVERYBODY that played it are so easily impressed. Not to mention it's the most awarded game of E3. With all the hype it's getting from journalists and word of mouth, this game will rock. Also, too*
By the way, in Sony's statement, did they ever say whether the 4.2M is sold to store or sold to consumers? MS said their 3M was to consumers.
Sony may have sold a ton of consoles to stores sitting in a warehouse or in-transit in trucks or in a container ship but not actually sold through to people.
Sony may have sold a ton of consoles to stores sitting in a warehouse or in-transit in trucks or in a container ship but not actually sold through to people.
Good one Yoy.
Where were your stock tracker links when PS4 had shipped a bunch of units to WM and BB in mid December?
You said you haven't seen any Xbox One's on the shelf. Plenty of Xbox One's available. Here order yourself a dozen of them each from Walmart, Sam's, Best Buy, Microsoft, Amazon and Gamestop: http://www.nowinstock.net/videogaming/consoles/xboxone/
Ah. Sounds good. Not all articles stated that. Now PS4 just has to get better games to match its sales.
Already has more games and more higher rated games according to all of the review sites, but who's counting. I know how you like Metacritic.
And why would I try to mess up MS' distribution strategy which is to focus stock (in depth) in a small number of countries, while Sony is focusing stock (for breadth) across 35 more countries?
Gamers wanting to play the best games only need to buy One to play on, since they can only physically play one at a time. Not 12.
PS4 without "games" as you mention is still outselling the One. Wonder what will happen once some "games" come out?
Basically neither machine is going to get treated like the dreamcast because they have both sold well. In the past these threads had a point in that sales meant support, which meant certain consoles got the shaft. This gen it just seems like both have strong sales and similar architecture so basically they will be very similar console excepting what first parties bring.
Actually I though it was a multi plat discussion thread. Once I seen it was a PlayStation thread I stopped posting.Then I really felt like a dumba$$ once I realized I got the date wrong in when the 4 was released( shows how much I pay attention to the 4 lol) . Let others debate this crap. I know I was wrong with the timeframe and the numbers.
Pretty much.
As generations continue, there's fewer third party exclusives. They need to make a buck and typically try to support at least a few platforms (and maybe PC too). The days of NES, SNES and PS1 where third party devs seemed to have no trouble focusing one platform are long gone.
Looking at the past few generations, even the worst selling platform still sold decent enough to warrant support. Xbox and GC sold about 25M each despite PS2 at 150M. Percentage wise it looks horrible.... 75%/12%/12%. But each of those 12% still equals about 25M each.
And just this past gen, 360/PSe were about 80M each and Wii at 100M. Lots of user base to support. And that even excludes PC.
And what makes you think that BOTH companies aren't doing the same? Companies need to "pretty" themselves up sometimes you know especially when they are in direct competition with one another and there's a massive fanbase in between.
I seriously don't understand the hardcore loyal "one console" owners or "brand cheerleaders" they find ways to discredit the other company while upping up their favorite one every chance they get. Why not just treat both equal?
I'm sure they both sold over expectations but I wouldn't doubt if one of them or both made their numbers go a tad bit up even if just a little bit just to look good/better.
Love both companies. So I would love for them to stay neck and neck this gen just so we can get some benefits from this. At the end of the day competition makes everything a whole lot interesting when it comes to games, ideas, deals, fun, etc...
I need to take it easy? You are the one responding to everyone's posts trying to discredit Sony's sales data and twist the sales number. I'm just keeping you honest.
No matter which way you look at it, the PS4 sold better, you can try to look at averages by country but it doesn't change anything. I personally think the Xbox One has better games and will through 2014, but the PS4 IS selling better.
I know it's just a sample, but at all of the Best Buys in the entire 40 mile radius of Chicago, the Xbox One is in stock according to the online availability page and has been since I checked during mid-December. It's also available online there. On the other hand, the PS4 isn't available anywhere I've seen in that radius. I know it's not definitive, but the console stock situation at the Best Buys (possibly the 2nd or 3rd largest console retailer in the western world) in the Chicagoland area (one of the largest metropolitan areas in the western world) is a very telling sign.
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No worries. Now that sales numbers are out for both consoles, we need a thread where we can talk about the comparisons. Your post just served as the jumping-off point.
Is it me or MS looks better in this spot.
X1 sold in 13 countries vs PS4 in 40 countries.
Only to Sony to sell a million more with far more countries? That no impressive in a way.
Dont get me wrong Sony did very well.
X1 sold in 13 countries vs PS4 in 40 countries.
Only to Sony to sell a million more with far more countries? That no impressive in a way.
Dont get me wrong Sony did very well.
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