Numbers Discussion Thread

[Yoyoniner]

You're correct. Numbers don't lie. Sony launched in more countries with more consoles. Of course they would have sold more than a console that launched in less countries and had less consoles available. Like you said, numbers don't lie.

Remember PS4 also sold more in the countries that we know of, including France, Spain and UK.

I don't think we really know how many consoles are available. It appears from the GAF thread there are many pictures of enormous stacks of X1s at GameStops and Best Buys.

 

[D-V-ANT]

I guess lets not do this because that would kill this forums notion that the x1 had a higher rated launch when in reality the ps4 did.

Don't exaggerate. If you are grouping this forum as a whole in your comment, then that includes yourself. Do you think the X1 had a higher rated launch?

 

[TeKPhaN]

You're correct. Numbers don't lie. Sony launched in more countries with more consoles. Of course they would have sold more than a console that launched in less countries and had less consoles available. Like you said, numbers don't lie.

Keep hope alive hey how much was shipped to those extra countries?
Who sold more in na or does the npd not matter because it favors Sony eh?

 

[Plainview]

Remember PS4 also sold more than the countries that we know of, including the United States, France, Spain and UK.

I don't think we really know how many consoles are available. It appears from the GAF thread there are many pictures of enormous stacks of X1s at GameStops and Best Buys.

There are Xbox One's available now. They weren't during the holidays

We don't have to know how many consoles were available. Sony had more consoles available. It's commons sense. When you launch in more countries, and sold more consoles when both consoles were hard to get, you had more consoles available. It's simple logic.

 

[Andy]

Assuming it holds up, I don't think a 4 to 3 sales ratio will make much of a real-world difference to the gaming industry. If one company was crushing the other (say 3 to 1), then 3rd parties might pull support for the less popular platform. That would matter. But 3rd parties are not going to pull support because one company's market share is 20% less than the other (or whatever the math on 4 to 3 is). Both companies have huge install bases (or will), which no 3rd parties can afford to turn their backs on.

So, for all the arguing about 4 to 3 ratios, I don't think they will have any big impact on the gaming industry. The only thing it does is demonstrate that one console is somewhat more popular than the other. Popularity doesn't mean much in itself. Beyond that, we're really arguing over something that doesn't matter a whole lot, in terms of its impact on our hobby.

 

[Plainview]

Keep hope alive hey how much was shipped to those extra countries?
Who sold more in na or does the npd not matter because it favors Sony eh?

I'm not sure I follow you anymore.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Don't exaggerate. If you are grouping this forum as a whole in your comment, then that includes yourself. Do you think the X1 had a higher rated launch?

I think both consoles 1st party offerings were nothing to shout about.
I Think they are even 1st party wise.

 

[Andy]

I didn't mean to imply, btw, that people aren't welcome to argue about it (in my longish post above). We all need our secondary hobbies, when our main one is not available (not many games out right now).

 

[D-V-ANT]

You're loosing track of yourself.

I guess lets not do this because that would kill this forums notion that the x1 had a higher rated launch when in reality the ps4 did.

Next....

I think both consoles 1st party offerings were nothing to shout about.
I Think they are even 1st party wise.

 

[Oblong]

There are too many things ALL of us don't know to reach definitive conclusions.

The most ridiculous part of this thread are those inventing stories to explain the numbers..."since nobody could find a PS4 before Christmas, millions went with 2nd best and bought an X1 just to have something under the tree". While that and other scenarios may have some truth for dozens, hundreds, or maybe even a thousand...the world is a much bigger place than your backyard or corner of your mind. We'll never know how consumers arrive at buying decisions as there are no questionairres to fill out at point of sale.

 

[Andy]

My two cents on the country thing -- just don't divide by number of countries and get a per-country metric, that's all. Oh god, I said metric. But that's turning an obvious strength (the ability to distribute to a larger number of countries in a global economy) into a weakness.

However, what PV and others are saying -- arguing that they had a bigger pool of potential customers, so that's an advantage in the "race," so to speak -- that's different. It's still arguable (you could say PS4 didn't sell as many as it could in the US, because Sony was busy supplying Finland or wherever). Conjecture either way, really. But at least that's a legitimate argument.

 

[jsgiv]

Sales have a direct relation to developers' support. You want the platform(s) you bought to at least sold decently & have a decent market share for developers to consider making contents for your platform.

I doubt seriously that software developers have any concern at the moment as to developing a game for either MS or Sony are worried...

Nintendo on the other hand....

 

[TeKPhaN]

4.2>3

 

[Qbert]

Much much twisting of what I say is in this post and had to throw that pc in again eh? Lol

Those were your words, how is it twisting? And you're the one that brought up "change it to pc".

 

[Kvally]

4.2>3

48 > 13
6 > 5
500 > 400

 

[Mr. Titan]

That's fine with me. Just don't accuse me of being dishonest.



TXB has been my home for over 10 years. They are for me. Bring up all the counter points you want. Notice. I never said a single word about your counter points...I never said you were wrong (or right) about them. I pointed out what you posted incorrectly.

Ok understood. Didn't mean to imply you were dishonest sorry, I was using it more as a figure of speech. You made good points about Xbox one sales, I just meant I was trying to keep the argument balanced.

 

[Kvally]

Ok understood. Didn't mean to imply you were dishonest sorry, I was using it more as a figure of speech. You made good points about Xbox one sales, I just meant I was trying to keep the argument balanced.

Roger that Mr. Titan!

 

[Kvally]

Have you played it? It is actually quite fun. Especially once you get into the game past the tutorials. Even kotaku liked it, which surprised me.

I don't think he has an Xbox One to play it.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Those were your words, how is it twisting? And you're the one that brought up "change it to pc".

You always troll console threads with pc is better OT comments/comparisons like the post quoted 4 example.

 

[Qbert]

You always troll console threads with pc is better OT comments/comparisons like the post quoted 4 example.

I don't troll the threads. If someone makes a comment that they can't tell a difference between console and pc version, I'm going to call them out on it and post images to prove them wrong if need be. It is a fact that the pc versions of most games look and run better. Does it "matter" much, no, not really, and for years, I even played the worse looking and performing versions of CoD because I'm not the graphics whore that you think I am.....but again, if people push lies, I'll call them out on it.

However, some of your comments are just straight up nonsensical. Point #4? Seriously? I love pc gaming, and I love console gaming....I don't have the pc boner that'll push me to spout bs. Honestly.....like....parents only brought XB1 because they couldn't find a PS4? Really?

 

[D-V-ANT]

I don't troll the threads. If someone makes a comment that they can't tell a difference between console and pc version, I'm going to call them out on it and post images to prove them wrong if need be. It is a fact that the pc versions of most games look and run better. Does it "matter" much, no, not really, and for years, I even played the worse looking and performing versions of CoD because I'm not the graphics whore that you think I am.....but again, if people push lies, I'll call them out on it.

However, some of your comments are just straight up nonsensical. Point #4? Seriously? I love pc gaming, and I love console gaming....I don't have the pc boner that'll push me to spout bs. Honestly.....like....parents only brought XB1 because they couldn't find a PS4? Really?

I don't think everyone is lying when they say they can't see a difference though. I genuinely can't see a difference in a lot of comparison pics (x1 vs ps4 vs PC). That doesn't make me, or other people who can't see a difference, a liar. I mean this in general as well, and not solely at the pics you post. You have posted ones showing clear differences as well.

 

[Kvally]

People still mad that MS has sold over 3 million Xbox Ones? #dealwithit

 

[Viktor]

I don't give a crap about sales outside of one of the consoles being absolutely trounced, as it may mean less support or maybe even that company going out of the gaming business. Competition is good. That said, I'm having more fun with my Wii U right now even though it's on the backburner for just about everyone in terms of a "next-gen" console.

 

[Qbert]

I don't think everyone is lying when they say they can't see a difference though. I genuinely can't see a difference in a lot of comparison pics (x1 vs ps4 vs PC). That doesn't make me, or other people who can't see a difference, a liar. I mean this in general as well, and not solely at the pics you post. You have posted ones showing clear differences as well.

Yeah, I get that, but I think it's more a bone of contention on my part, when someone says the PS4 multiplats are so much better looking than XB1s, yet claims to not really see the difference between PS4 and pc.


That's not me trolling though, because in no way do I think people should be playing one version or another just because it looks better. There's plenty of times I opt for console version simply because I prefer playing it on console.

 

[D-V-ANT]

Yeah, I get that, but I think it's more a bone of contention on my part, when someone says the PS4 multiplats are so much better looking than XB1s, yet claims to not really see the difference between PS4 and pc.


That's not me trolling though, because in no way do I think people should be playing one version or another just because it looks better. There's plenty of times I opt for console version simply because I prefer playing it on console.

Yeah of course. There are still those that ignore the clear differences when they are obvious and claim their preferred one is superior because of personal preference, when technical detail was being discussed and not personal preference. That little nugget becomes interchangeable when it suits people ;-)

 

[Kvally]

or had it released 4 million to only 13 countries, that would still be.....a bit over 4 million

The PS4's would just be stacked on shelves up even higher.

 

[Kassen]

No need to lower the price until your supply can't meet your demand. Lowering the price when you are already selling out doesn't make any sense

 

[Z A C K]

No need to lower the price until your supply can't meet your demand. Lowering the price when you are already selling out doesn't make any sense

Don't you mean no point in lowering price until the demand can't meet your supply?

 

[starseeker]

So true. The fact so many are willing to throw $500 at a console is definitely telling about that product.

Its true that 3 million or so people have no problem dropping 500 bucks on the xbox. This is clear.

But it is selling the product at the same price to the next 3 millions, & the next next 3 millions & so on, to people, that MS need to work on.

Ample supply of XBOX one available at retails & online stores suggest MS do not have a supply problem. Sales have slowed.

They have a good start, no doubt about it, but the real work only begins now. The demand have slowed, & they face the reality of falling even further behind if they do not take action.

People keep mentioning that they only launched in 13 nations, but the reality is, the longer they wait to launch in other nations, the more sales will be lost to its competitors who already launched.

Also people keep mentioning about MS doing well considering the higher price, true, but again, I am very sure MS is more concern about unit sales than profit per console, when the core of the profits come
from games, ads, & services.

In a nutshell, at the same time we applause MS for the good sales, we should also acknowledge that the real work only just begins (when supply already outstrip demands).

 

[Haggis]

true but no one is going to invest $500 for a console unless they think its worth it.

Or $400 for the PS4. After all it is only $100 difference in price.