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Where/what are the real numbers then?

Not released yet. All we have is 150k for the UK's opening week for X1 and 250k for PS4's, but X1 had a week extra to sell and we have nothing since. I recall in AUS X1 was ahead of PS4 as well. Otherwise I don't think we have any actual info beyond that. Seeing as the figures you posted are known to be wrong there's little sense bothering with them imho.
 
He asked for the population of France and Spain compared to Australia, not sales.

That's fine. I was only commenting to note how insignificant population was to the discussion at hand. It only offers an upper limit on practical sales but such a limit is so vastly beyond what any company will ever realistically sell it becomes a worthless metric. Drives me nuts when it sneaks into sales talk so I was nipping it in the bud is all. :)
 
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I would have spun his dubious figures as still showing the Xbox with significant market penetration. This in a region once totally dominated by Sony, and not overly fond of Microsoft, the quintessential ugly American, even after the E3 debacle.
 
I would have spun his dubious figures as still showing the Xbox with significant market penetration. This in a region once totally dominated by Sony, and not overly fond of Microsoft, the quintessential ugly American, even after the E3 debacle.

I'll show you penetration. No h***.
 
Xbox selling more in Austrailia doesn't mean much for global sales, I just threw that in there to balance out the other 3 articles.
 
That's fine. I was only commenting to note how insignificant population was to the discussion at hand. It only offers an upper limit on practical sales but such a limit is so vastly beyond what any company will ever realistically sell it becomes a worthless metric. Drives me nuts when it sneaks into sales talk so I was nipping it in the bud is all. :)

Gotcha, didn't mean to come across as an a$$ or anything.
 
Difference between 3:2 and 2:1 is ~6.6%. 60% - 40% to 66.6% - 33.3%. That's pretty close imo. Some people seem to think it's a huge gap?

I'm still confident after the recent launches this month PS4 will hit 3 mil globally, if it's not there already.

Long term, once supply constraints are out of the way, I'm still confident we'll see close to 33.3/66.6 globally. But there hasn't been enough time for supply to resolve and PS4's greater demand/consumer interest to be made apparent.

So just wait and stop getting crazy over supply constrained numbers, please.
 
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Difference between 3:2 and 2:1 is ~6.6%. 60% - 40% to 66.6% - 33.3%. That's pretty close imo. Some people seem to think it's a huge gap?

I think that's 13.3% difference, not 6.6%. 6.6 (66.6-60) + 6.7 (40-33.3) = 13.3.
 
That's one way of looking at it.

Either way, we still have a while to go before supply constraints are less of an issue, more countries are launched in (for both consoles, jeez), and consumer demand/interest can be made fully apparent.
 
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Huh? I need to head back to work, so I'll have to let it drop. I don't think your math is right. Mine is probably wrong or incomplete, too. But the difference between a 2:1 ratio and a 3:2 ratio is more than 6%.
 
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Difference between 3:2 and 2:1 is ~6.6%. 60% - 40% to 66.6% - 33.3%. That's pretty close imo. Some people seem to think it's a huge gap?

Yes, it's a big gap. And in no way is it a 6.6% gap, that isn't just "one way to look at it" it's mathematically wrong.

Best way to look at it would be the difference one or both of the things being compared would need to be changed.

To go from 3:2 ration to 2:1 either the higher product would have to be increased by 33% (in this case, PS4 sells 1 million more than your invented 3 million number) or the lower product would have to be descresed by 25%, or some combination of those 2 things.

It's a big difference.
 
Yes, it's a big gap. And in no way is it a 6.6% gap, that isn't just "one way to look at it" it's mathematically wrong.

Best way to look at it would be the difference one or both of the things being compared would need to be changed.

To go from 3:2 ration to 2:1 either the higher product would have to be increased by 33% (in this case, PS4 sells 1 million more than your invented 3 million number) or the lower product would have to be descresed by 25%, or some combination of those 2 things.

It's a big difference.

Putting aside that the 3:2 ratio itself is wishful thinking built on a foundation of BS, your explanation sums it up nicely. In certain contexts 1.5 is functionally equivalent to 2, as for example if calculating 5% sales tax on a 30 cent purchase, the 1.5 cents would be rounded up to 2, but on a $30,000 purchase it would still be $1500.
 
Reported 500k stockpiled units shipped to asia and 520k to USA this month and business analysts predicting 3+ mil by end of year is "wishful thinking built on a foundation of BS"? Okay, keep acting disgusting because I made a reasonable prediction. More useful sales data.

Keep taunting, insulting, and jeering at me over supply constrained sales like they really reflect the actual amount of demand from consumers. I suggest you wait a while longer for long term sales before doing that, but you've already jumped that gun.
 
Reported 500k stockpiled units shipped to asia and 520k to USA this month and business analysts predicting 3+ mil by end of year is "wishful thinking built on a foundation of BS"? Okay, keep acting disgusting because I made a reasonable prediction.

Keep taunting, insulting, and jeering at me over supply constrained sales like they really reflect the actual amount of demand from consumers. Keep pretending you're not part of "the gang".

- Since when was this an end of the year prediction? Didn't you claim that it was probably currently at 3:2?
- If MS crossed 2 Million in early December, how is predicting that Sony will be at 3 million by the end of the year somehow proving your 3:2 prediction has any merit? MS would have to sell zero units past their 2 million mark announcement for that to make any sense.
 
I said they were going to hit 3 mil in December if they weren't there already, pending reported launches of stockpiled units. They can't launch in so many new countries by shipping out units as fast as they make them.

I never made a "3:2 prediction", I said long term sales will reflect the consumer metrics. I expect PS4 to start to pull ahead as supply increases and more demand is satiated. I'm pretty confident they're ahead globally, which is a reflection of the metrics.
 
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