Numbers Discussion Thread

[illiniguy]

Honestly I heard those words a lot, but the meaning I always took away was the often unwritten understanding that it wouldn't sell (compared to the PS4) or it wouldn't sell well (compared to the PS4). Plenty of talk regarding 4:1, 3:1, and 2:1 ratios or that "Sony has won the console war" before 1 unit had even shipped.

agreed. i looked back at the very beginning of the thread. at least 14 or more posts on two pages mentioned at least one of those points. Either A: the PS4 is selling SO MUCH MORE or B: the PS4 is sold out all over, and the abundance of XB1's available only could mean they aren't selling well.

No, no one came out clearly and SAID it isn't going to sell well, but we all know the 3 or 4 superstars making those claims knew full well what they meant to say

 

[Hazard71]

So now that it can't be shown that anyone said it wouldn't sell we are moving to the it was inferred that it wouldn't.lol

 

[Mcmasters]

Perhaps you should follow your own advice? You sure seem to have an issue with other people claiming they fly off the handle, all while you turn around and do the same exact thing. Half of your replies to people are littered with Jesus this, Christ that, or some other form of altered swearing all the while telling other people to calm down.

f*** all. Im done.... Starting to hear the ticking of the clock which means Im wasting my time. Cheers.

 

[penguinpig]

agreed. i looked back at the very beginning of the thread. at least 14 or more posts on two pages mentioned at least one of those points. Either A: the PS4 is selling SO MUCH MORE or B: the PS4 is sold out all over, and the abundance of XB1's available only could mean they aren't selling well.

No, no one came out clearly and SAID it isn't going to sell well, but we all know the 3 or 4 superstars making those claims knew full well what they meant to say

is millon more in a month and half time frame not a lot more? dont know about the availability of the x1 over the holidays, but as of now you can pick one up anywhere.

 

[Z A C K]

No one else thinks this thread should be taken off life support?

 

[Kvally]

Lot of people mad that the Xbox One did so good in NPD, that is for sure. Not to mention, it looks like the 360 took Christmas as well.

 

[Hazard71]

Lot of people mad that the Xbox One did so good in NPD, that is for sure. Not to mention, it looks like the 360 took Christmas as well.

Really once again just like the "it will not sell" crap now people are mad it did well. You know that not a single person has said or acted like they are upset it did well.lol

 

[Oblong]

Really once again just like the "it will not sell" crap now people are mad it did well. You know that not a single person has said or acted like they are upset it did well.lol

So now we are moving on to "there never was a console war" and everyone is all just back slapping friends over each consoles success. Awesome!

(...and I do mean that, I own both and am happy to see both do well).

 

[Hazard71]

So now we are moving on to "there never was a console war" and everyone is all just back slapping friends over each consoles success. Awesome!

(...and I do mean that, I own both and am happy to see both do well).

Please explain to me how arguing numbers or what people said equals hating the XB1 or not being happy it did well.
I would hope as gamers we are happy these systems are selling great because that means more great games for all of us.

 

[illiniguy]

is millon more in a month and half time frame not a lot more? dont know about the availability of the x1 over the holidays, but as of now you can pick one up anywhere.

But you see, it's the same tired ass arguments from the last round of console wars.

When NPD arguments fail, time to revert to WW sales. And in case you want my opinion? No 1 MIL in sales is NOT enough to make any difference in anything whatsoever. But hey, if it makes someone sleep better at night? I'm all for it.

Console wars are for insecure kids, simple as that. Or grown men acting like insecure kids. As long as both sell well, it doesn't matter if one sells 100k more in the US month to month, or leads in WW sales. It just doesn't matter. If the gap was enormous, like nearly ten million or more, then yes, that company would have to rethink strategy possibly and regroup, but it is simply not going to get that way.

Both of these consoles are going to sell extremely well.

These insipid numbers spinning threads are the bane of the gaming industry, or at least internet discussion. They never end well, never can truly be backed up since most numbers can't be "verified" and end up in name calling.

 

[Oblong]

Please explain to me how arguing numbers or what people said equals hating the XB1 or not being happy it did well.
I would hope as gamers we are happy these systems are selling great because that means more great games for all of us.

I would hope so too. But lets not turn a blind eye that the #1 read threads on this forum haven't been tickle fight threads, sales threads, and that many vs. threads have been shut down because the bickering elevates to ridiculous levels.

 

[Hazard71]

I would hope so too. But lets not turn a blind eye that the #1 read threads on this forum haven't been tickle fight threads, sales threads, and that many vs. threads have been shut down because the bickering elevates to ridiculous levels.

Lets be honest though most of the time it is arguing semantics and numbers more than it is actual hate for either console.

 

[illiniguy]

Lets be honest though most of the time it is arguing semantics more than it is actual hate for either console.

here i would agree, but the venom spewed on other forums and media is far, far worse than here at the union

 

[Hazard71]

here i would agree, but the venom spewed on other forums and media is far, far worse than here at the union

Agreed which is why I only post and hang out on this site.

 

[Oblong]

here i would agree, but the venom spewed on other forums and media is far, far worse than here at the union

Yep, no doubt. Great mods here that for the most part keep their own personal bias aside and some very knowledgeable posters really make this one of my favorite stops to get info. Yeah we have a few extremists too, which does add some flavor. I generally avoid these threads as your comments often get grouped together with the extreme even though you don't really have a dog in the hunt or care.

 

[illiniguy]

Agreed which is why I only post and hang out on this site.

i was the community manager at a (at the time) much larger site than here. When I left there, I was pointed to Union when it was less than a week old, haven't looked back.

I miss being staff for sure, but the level of discussion and discourse here is so much more prolific than where I came from, it was easy to make the transition.

 

[Kvally]

Really once again just like the "it will not sell" crap now people are mad it did well. You know that not a single person has said or acted like they are upset it did well.lol

It's just my observation. I could be wrong. Believe me, I am not perfect....though I can rub one off pretty damn good.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Honestly I heard those words a lot, but the meaning I always took away was the often unwritten understanding that it wouldn't sell (compared to the PS4) or it wouldn't sell well (compared to the PS4). Plenty of talk regarding 4:1, 3:1, and 2:1 ratios or that "Sony has won the console war" before 1 unit had even shipped.

1.2 million says it hasn't sold as well.

 

[CasualGamer]

Where do I sign up to get a cut of the profits? It seems the way people get so emotionally attached they must be getting paid, I want my cut!

 

[Rollins]

Different strategies, similar results. Go after a lot of markets, but with less supply, and piss off people who can't get one because they aren't available due to demand, or go after fewer markets with higher volume and piss of people in areas where it hasn't released yet.

They both sold great, the major difference (besides the actual numbers) is that everyone expected the PS4 to do well, while quite a few people didn't expect the X1 to do as well as it did. The numbers for both systems are great for all of us as gamers.

That being said, when does the 'early adopter' effect wear off? 6 months? A year? I'm wondering if the sales trends will continue exactly how they are, or if one of the systems will start to pull away. In the near future the only thing I see as potentially moving systems (and currently has a solid release date) is Titanfall. Maybe E3 will bring some huge things, but we don't have specifics yet.

 

[illiniguy]

Different strategies, similar results. Go after a lot of markets, but with less supply, and piss off people who can't get one because they aren't available due to demand, or go after fewer markets with higher volume and piss of people in areas where it hasn't released yet.

They both sold great, the major difference (besides the actual numbers) is that everyone expected the PS4 to do well, while quite a few people didn't expect the X1 to do as well as it did. The numbers for both systems are great for all of us as gamers.

That being said, when does the 'early adopter' effect wear off? 6 months? A year? I'm wondering if the sales trends will continue exactly how they are, or if one of the systems will start to pull away. In the near future the only thing I see as potentially moving systems (and currently has a solid release date) is Titanfall. Maybe E3 will bring some huge things, but we don't have specifics yet.

i think it will be at least 6 months before everything settles in. then, for folks who live and breathe this, they can start waving or rolling up their flags.

 

[jsgiv]

People say a lot of stuff, but 2:1 is still a far cry from "people said it would not sell".


Who said it would not sell? This has been said a few times in this thread, and still has yet to be proven that anyone said that.

That's a weird statement don't you think? If they only sold *1* console - you're statement is still valid...

X1 was always going to "sell" by your definition/statement above...

Point is - many have stated here and elsewhere that the X1 wouldn't sell *near* the amount that the PS4 would. The statement everyone's taking objection to of "who said it wouldn't sell" - from a context perspective IS valid however. It's now coming out that this assumption that the PS4 would dramatically outsell the X1 by 2:1 or 3:1 margins isn't viable - and now that it's out that these 2 are selling in very near quantities ... based on facts and availability today, not assumptions .. - everyone's stepping back a bit ...

Why?

 

[Qbert]

Honestly I heard those words a lot, but the meaning I always took away was the often unwritten understanding that it wouldn't sell (compared to the PS4) or it wouldn't sell well (compared to the PS4). Plenty of talk regarding 4:1, 3:1, and 2:1 ratios or that "Sony has won the console war" before 1 unit had even shipped.

Fair enough, and I know fully well that people said it wouldn't sell as well as PS4. And yet, still a far cry from "wouldn't sell" or "wouldn't sell well".

Someone saying they didn't think it wouldn't sell as well as PS4 is in no the same as saying XB1 wouldn't sell well, or that XB1 sucks for that matter.

 

[Qbert]

agreed. i looked back at the very beginning of the thread. at least 14 or more posts on two pages mentioned at least one of those points. Either A: the PS4 is selling SO MUCH MORE or B: the PS4 is sold out all over, and the abundance of XB1's available only could mean they aren't selling well.

No, no one came out clearly and SAID it isn't going to sell well, but we all know the 3 or 4 superstars making those claims knew full well what they meant to say

People said it wouldn't sell as well. PS4 sold over a million more with limited stock, so, um, yeah, XB1 didn't sell as well.



So totally different from saying XB1 wouldn't sell well.

 

[Qbert]

Lot of people mad that the Xbox One did so good in NPD, that is for sure. Not to mention, it looks like the 360 took Christmas as well.

I'm actually glad it sold well. I'm also hoping that TF does better than I'm expecting, because I want there to be a large healthy mp community that doesn't die off once the next CoD comes out.

Does that shatter your allusion of me as a rabid PS fanboy?

 

[Qbert]

That's a weird statement don't you think? If they only sold *1* console - you're statement is still valid...

X1 was always going to "sell" by your definition/statement above...

Point is - many have stated here and elsewhere that the X1 wouldn't sell *near* the amount that the PS4 would. The statement everyone's taking objection to of "who said it wouldn't sell" - from a context perspective IS valid however. It's now coming out that this assumption that the PS4 would dramatically outsell the X1 by 2:1 or 3:1 margins isn't viable - and now that it's out that these 2 are selling in very near quantities ... based on facts and availability today, not assumptions .. - everyone's stepping back a bit ...

Why?

That's why I am always adding "sell well" and not just "sell".

And no, it did not sell as well. 1 million is not that big of a difference when it's something like 50 million versus 49 million.

But when it's 4 million versus 3 million, it's a bigger difference. Fact, XB1 did not sell as well. That's not a bash on XB1. Hell, I got rid of my PS4 really soon after release and chances are it'll be the XB1 I get first. But facts are facts, XB1 did not sell as well as PS4.


As for ratios, whoever said that, was wrong, but claiming so still doesn't mean XB1 wouldn't sell well. We ALL knew XB1 sold out immediately, we all knew it was selling well MONTHS before release.

 

[horns]

GTA V on the way to becoming the best selling non-bundled console game of all time.

 

[Oblong]

Sally sells consoles in the console war
The consoles Sally sells sell as well as the shells
But when she sells consoles, well, some don't sell as well as the shells.

Clear?

 

[JinCA]

Sally sells more than consoles

 

[BunzHoles]

Wasn't too surprised by the numbers.. maybe a little. Wish Sony would just say what they sold. They tend to do that more than their competition.. "if we don't win, we spin."

Not that MS doesn't do spinning, but they usually also eventually release the data.