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karmakid said:
Its not that it’ll have a better ssd but the fact that things like texture sizes and other assets will be on a much smaller scale you could then in turn move more of it through vs larger textures and such. Or I could be totally wrong...let’s find out :)
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It does have a significantly faster SSD though the other stuff I dunno about.
 
OneBadMutha said:
If they prioritize visuals over frame rate, physics and AI, thats possible. At this point with the power in the machines, I believe the very talented devs under both publishers results will vary more due to priorities than hardware.
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Nahhhh not with the games still needing to run on XBO/X/Lockhart and unproven developers.
 
GordoSan said:
Ohhhhkaaaaayy! And you're calling someone else a fanboy?

I mean we are talking a generation we have barely seen yet, with many studios' output we have not even seen yet. That's actually the very definition of a fanboy!
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Open eyes give a understanding of how the industry works.
 
Mcmasters said:
I think youre reaching. Series X will show a pretty clear advantage in visuals and render the SSD in the PS5 as not as big of deal everyone says it will..
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Or maybr it is you that is reaching, and that enormous gap that you see on paper may not be as large as you think it'll be.
 
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Shawn Jelsic said:
Or maybr it is you that is reaching, and that enormous gap that you see on paper may not be as large as you think it'll be.
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I didnt say anything about an E N O R M O U S gap. I said visually you'll be able to see a difference as the Series X is just patently a more powerful console. Hands down. Brass tacks. Period. There's no way in hell a less powerful console is going to be more powerful than the most powerful console. Doesnt mean there wont be some stunners on the PS5. For sure there will be. But 3rd party games will definitely show the differences in power between both. And that will be 9 times out of 10 Series X with the better version. Series X First party games will be stunners, too.
 
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VaLLiancE said:
Why the f00k are you saying it might have a better SSD?
Being a blind fanboy isn't a good look.
The PS5 does have some things that are superior to XSX but it isn't overall more powerful.
Still will put out better looking exclusives so any disadvantage will be null.
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Im saying "might" because every game we've seen on Series X with faster load times were games that hadn't even been optimized yet, and the load times were drastically different. Because PS5 has some things that are superior (SSD), doesnt mean jack s*** when the competing system is just overall a better, more powerful product. And we cant call which will have better looking exclusives. Not only is that subjective, but with a whole slew of new devs creating games from XGS, we dont know what to expect. I think its a pretty safe assumption that things will look proportionately different and much better than what we've known for Xbox come next gen. It damn sure wont be worse.

You're still speaking from a time when Xbox didnt have all this power, tools and talent behind it. Wholly different times now, Bubba!
 
SpartanDawgX1 said:
The XSX will have longer legs. It will age better. I’m sure Sony will put out amazing looking games but there will be a limit to what they can ultimately do. The power difference outside of frame rates and real ray tracing will show itself over time.
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There is a smaller gap between these consoles than the PS4/X1 or the X1X/Pro it's not going to be much of anything, it takes a lot more power to get anything noticeable than it did before as well. The faster clock speeds in the PS5 GPU will negate SOME of the series x overall power advantage and it is NOT going to drop constantly or by much the way some Xbox fans keep saying it will. The games are going to look pretty much the same almost all the time. If Sony is pushing 30fps for 1st party games and MS pushing 60fps that's going to make it so Sony's games look better because the Series X will have to make other sacrifices to achieve that goal.
 
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JinCA said:
If Sony is pushing 30fps for 1st party games and MS pushing 60fps that's going to make it so Sony's games look better because the Series X will have to make other sacrifices to achieve that goal.
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Xbox just cant do anything better. :meh:
 
Mcmasters said:
I didnt say anything about an E N O R M O U S gap. I said visually you'll be able to see a difference as the Series X is just patently a more powerful console. Hands down. Brass tacks. Period. There's no way in hell a less powerful console is going to be more powerful than the most powerful console. Doesnt mean there wont be some stunners on the PS5. For sure there will be. But 3rd party games will definitely show the differences in power between both. And that will be 9 times out of 10 Series X with the better version. Series X First party games will be stunners, too.
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I never said the PS5 would be more powerful. That is something you assumed and said when you quoted me. However, these platforms will have their own advantages in performance. Now, how large those advantages will be in practice is something that has yet to be told. From a visual perspective, that also depends on how you define visual performance. The PS5 has a visual advantage in some areas just as much as SX in other areas, but one of those advantages are larger than the other. Will 3rd party take advantage of the PS5'S advantages? ...probably not. If delayed or the platform of choice, they probably will, then again. There are no certainties here, so it's going to take time figure that out.

And for the record, you said pretty clear advantage. To me that sounds significant. I don't know if it will, personally. I wouldn't be surprised if it did, though, but based on what i am seeing and hearing, i certainly wouldn't jump the gun on that.
 
Mcmasters said:
Im saying "might" because every game we've seen on Series X with faster load times were games that hadn't even been optimized yet, and the load times were drastically different. Because PS5 has some things that are superior (SSD), doesnt mean jack s*** when the competing system is just overall a better, more powerful product. And we cant call which will have better looking exclusives. Not only is that subjective, but with a whole slew of new devs creating games from XGS, we dont know what to expect. I think its a pretty safe assumption that things will look proportionately different and much better than what we've known for Xbox come next gen. It damn sure wont be worse.

You're still speaking from a time when Xbox didnt have all this power, tools and talent behind it. Wholly different times now, Bubba!
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Going by this type of thinking....
10.28TF might be be better than 12.1TF's.
 
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JinCA said:
There is a smaller gap between these consoles than the PS4/X1 or the X1X/Pro it's not going to be much of anything, it takes a lot more power to get anything noticeable than it did before as well. The faster clock speeds in the PS5 GPU will negate SOME of the series x overall power advantage and it is NOT going to drop constantly or by much the way some Xbox fans keep saying it will. The games are going to look pretty much the same almost all the time. If Sony is pushing 30fps for 1st party games and MS pushing 60fps that's going to make it so Sony's games look better because the Series X will have to make other sacrifices to achieve that goal.
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He'll, why not 8k/24? I mean, s***, if"looking better" is all that matters anyway?
 
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Shawn Jelsic said:
Seven years ago, the two designs were similar. Today, you have pure muscle versus pure efficiency, and that gap is smaller now.
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Today, you have a system that's balanced with more gpu, more CPU, guaranteed clock rates, guaranteed I/o bandwidth and bc games are guaranteed to just work and almost in every case work better, and you have a console that, despite ridiculous overclocks, gives you only best case numbers across every spec released to date, and maybe their last gen games will run. Rather than muscle vs efficiency ( hint: overclocks are wildly inefficient), you have a console that was designed to meet a higher performance target vs one that got held back by backward compatibility issues and so got overengineered on the SSD side to give people like you a reason to believe
 
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hrudey said:
Today, you have a system that's balanced with more gpu, more CPU, guaranteed clock rates, guaranteed I/o bandwidth and bc games are guaranteed to just work and almost in every case work better, and you have a console that, despite ridiculous overclocks, gives you only best case numbers across every spec released to date, and maybe their last gen games will run. Rather than muscle vs efficiency ( hint: overclocks are wildly inefficient), you have a console that was designed to meet a higher performance target vs one that got held back by backward compatibility issues and so got overengineered on the SSD side to give people like you a reason to believe
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You say overengineered on a design when you're not the engineer. I think a team of engineers would know what they wanted to achieve and not the individual talking about what they think they can achieve. Ijs

In addition to that, it's clocks are measured literally in milliseconds apart. So for the most part, they will remained clocked at their specs. Having said that, they are not as inefficient as you may think. On the other end, you are already taking a small gap and using it to the best of its ability, only time is going to tell just how big that gap will actually be on screen.
 
Shawn Jelsic said:
You say overengineered on a design when you're not the engineer. I think a team of engineers would know what they wanted to achieve and not the individual talking about what they think they can achieve. Ijs

In addition to that, it's clocks are measured literally in milliseconds apart. So for the most part, they will remained clocked at their specs. Having said that, they are not as inefficient as you may think. On the other end, you are already taking a small gap and using it to the best of its ability, only time is going to tell just how big that gap will actually be on screen.
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And yet you are not an engineer either.....
 
Shawn Jelsic said:
You say overengineered on a design when you're not the engineer. I think a team of engineers would know what they wanted to achieve and not the individual talking about what they think they can achieve. Ijs

In addition to that, it's clocks are measured literally in milliseconds apart. So for the most part, they will remained clocked at their specs. Having said that, they are not as inefficient as you may think. On the other end, you are already taking a small gap and using it to the best of its ability, only time is going to tell just how big that gap will actually be on screen.
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Overengineered in that they put an outsized emphasis on a custom SSD that is only ever going to be taxed on bulk load or in very rare on rails set pieces like ratchet showed. If the next gen shows somehow that the xsx SSD is a bottleneck on multiplatform games and PS5 isn't ever I will be shocked. If I see games struggle to keep the same frame rate with lower res on PS5 nobody will be shocked.

And those clock speeds on the PS5 GPU are definitely insane. Maybe rdna2 ends up having clocks that high all the time and MS was just ultra conservative with their clocks, but that's highly unlikely. More likely, they're throwing tons of voltage to get that chip to that clock and they will be well past the efficiency curve on that.
 
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