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True, but it's impossible this will make sales go up, right?
I'm sure some will claim be to switching to them and some will claim to boycott them but I imagine it won't really make much of a difference either way
 

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All the right wing snowflakes triggered by that ad is great. Always love the photos of the dumb c***s that break their s*** they already paid for after something like this goes.

Alt-right b****es.
 

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The ad just comes across as overly preachy, there is so much of this coming from so many places it's going to start turning people who were middle of the road against this type of thinking because they are sick of hearing how bad men are (usually it's directed at straight white men) If someone wants to make an ad about changing bad behavior they should include everyone in it, not only men who do stupid things but women, people of different ethnicities and even gay people. Believe me there are jerks in EVERY group, it's a human thing and it should be treated that way and not just directed at one group so you can come across as more enlightened than everyone else.
 

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The ad just comes across as overly preachy, there is so much of this coming from so many places it's going to start turning people who were middle of the road against this type of thinking because they are sick of hearing how bad men are (usually it's directed at straight white men) If someone wants to make an ad about changing bad behavior they should include everyone in it, not only men who do stupid things but women, people of different ethnicities and even gay people. Believe me there are jerks in EVERY group, it's a human thing and it should be treated that way and not just directed at one group so you can come across as more enlightened than everyone else.
Well I mean all things considered and correct me if you have evidence to the contrary but for the most part there isn't equal blame on being s***ty when comparing men to women. It clearly and disproportionately slams to one side of the ratio.
 

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The ad just comes across as overly preachy, there is so much of this coming from so many places it's going to start turning people who were middle of the road against this type of thinking because they are sick of hearing how bad men are (usually it's directed at straight white men) If someone wants to make an ad about changing bad behavior they should include everyone in it, not only men who do stupid things but women, people of different ethnicities and even gay people. Believe me there are jerks in EVERY group, it's a human thing and it should be treated that way and not just directed at one group so you can come across as more enlightened than everyone else.
This ad is specifically about toxic masculinity though. The boys will be boys excuse for whenever s*** comes up about a dude being a s*** person.

There are good dudes in the ad and that seems to be completely flying over peoples heads, probably because they those angered by this ad are the bullies, or the cat callers, etc.

The ad is simply messaging that it’s f***ing 2019, we are better than what was okay 60, 70, 80 years ago, etc.

But I guess with the advent of trump and the trumpublic***s and s***, people are simply regressing, especially on the right.
 

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Fact: men with foreign ethnic heritage stand for about 85% of rapes in Sweden, 99% of gang rapes. Would never, ever be okay here to make a video about that. So making the above video (by a razor company lol) is strange af, but I feel that it's open country to attack white men.... come to think of it, as a race and gender going back in history, it's probably deserved, but I'm not sure why i personally should take note, haven't raped or sexually assaulted any women as far as I know.

Edit: wrote 90%, I was wrong, 85% is correct.
 
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Comical to think that some see that and think it was specifically an attack on white men

People sure are sensitive these days
 

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Fact: men with foreign ethnic heritage stand for about 85% of rapes in Sweden, 99% of gang rapes. Would never, ever be okay here to make a video about that. So making the above video (by a razor company lol) is strange af, but I feel that it's open country to attack white men.... come to think of it, as a race and gender going back in history, it's probably deserved, but I'm not sure why i personally should take note, haven't raped or sexually assaulted any women as far as I know.

Edit: wrote 90%, I was wrong, 85% is correct.
If you didn't rape anybody, didn't sexually assault anybody... why do you feel such guilt?

Like the majority of the worlds races were represented in this video, yet you feel it's solely about you and being white?

Also, those statistics you're pointing out, those are all still men, right?
 

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I feel like the video is simply saying, stop making excuses and deflecting for those specific pieces of s*** and call them out on it instead.... it's not saying all men are s***. I feel like if you're getting anything else out of it then you're reading too much into it.
 

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Well I mean all things considered and correct me if you have evidence to the contrary but for the most part there isn't equal blame on being s***ty when comparing men to women. It clearly and disproportionately slams to one side of the ratio.
I've seen a ton of bad behavior from women, bullying other girls and guys, I've seen women shame each other behind each others backs like crazy etc. It may not always be done in the exact same way but a lot of women are a******s lol. I don't think any one group is better than the other in this regard, it's a human thing not a gender thing or anything else.

Cyber bullying is one thing that I think could be even more women than men, hell the first case of someone committing suicide because of cyber bullying that I can ever remember hearing about was a teenage girl and her mother screwing with another girl that used to be a friend of hers because that girl changed schools and found new friends and didn't have as much time for her.
 
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This ad is specifically about toxic masculinity though. The boys will be boys excuse for whenever s*** comes up about a dude being a s*** person.

There are good dudes in the ad and that seems to be completely flying over peoples heads, probably because they those angered by this ad are the bullies, or the cat callers, etc.

The ad is simply messaging that it’s f***ing 2019, we are better than what was okay 60, 70, 80 years ago, etc.

But I guess with the advent of trump and the trumpublic***s and s***, people are simply regressing, especially on the right.
The thing is this is a company that makes razors, we've been getting this message from everywhere for years now so why pile on? is it going to change anyone's behavior because a razor company said you should be more like this one nice guy in the ad? Most guys aren't a******s but this constant barrage of "you are a man so you are wrong" is going to start having a negative impact. The fact is the guys who do behave that way aren't going to give two s***s about what Gillette thinks they should do in their lives, they are just looking to be talked about for their "bravery" in saying things that others have been saying for as long as I can remember.
 

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If you didn't rape anybody, didn't sexually assault anybody... why do you feel such guilt?

Like the majority of the worlds races were represented in this video, yet you feel it's solely about you and being white?

Also, those statistics you're pointing out, those are all still men, right?
Because seemingly every post on social media attacking men usually throws "white" in front of it, same on tv. This ad may not state it but it's part of the messaging that's been going on for a while.
 

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If you didn't rape anybody, didn't sexually assault anybody... why do you feel such guilt?

Like the majority of the worlds races were represented in this video, yet you feel it's solely about you and being white?

Also, those statistics you're pointing out, those are all still men, right?
I'm not.
Watch it again, you're wrong about the races, at least about which race gets represented which way.
 

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I think the bottom line is everyone is so preachy these days that we don't need to start having razor companies tell everyone on how to behave, there is no escaping this overly virtuous barrage of lecturing anymore. It doesn't matter if it applies to you or not it's everywhere and you can't escape it. Also it's not the end of the world, I find this stuff annoying but it's not life changing, the people who rip stuff up or take pics of them on twitter with their kids holding their guns making this into something else are idiots too.
 

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I've seen a ton of bad behavior from women, bullying other girls and guys, I've seen women shame each other behind each others backs like crazy etc. It may not always be done in the exact same way but a lot of women are a******s lol. I don't think any one group is better than the other in this regard, it's a human thing not a gender thing or anything else.

Cyber bullying is one thing that I think could be even more women than men, hell the first case of someone committing suicide because of cyber bullying that I can ever remember hearing about was a teenage girl and her mother screwing with another girl that used to be a friend of hers because that girl changed schools and found new friends and didn't have as much time for her.
Women aren't blameless. Check out any anti-cyberbullying commercial, most of them feature women; I don't remember every seeing 'but men do it too!!" as a public outcry response and calling for boycotts and such.

You can address different angles at different times.

I'd say more often than not though, when online harassment happens en mass, it's like 90% guys though. The other 10% is Beyonce/Ariana Grande fans I would assume.

Because seemingly every post on social media attacking men usually throws "white" in front of it, same on tv. This ad may not state it but it's part of the messaging that's been going on for a while.
But this one doesn't, so why make the correlation regardless?
 
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Women aren't blameless. Check out any anti-cyberbullying commercial, most of them feature women; I don't remember every seeing 'but men do it too!!" as a public outcry response and calling for boycotts and such.

You can address different angles at different times.

I'd say more often than not though, when online harassment happens en mass, it's like 90% guys though. The other 10% is Beyonce/Ariana Grande fans I would assume.



But this one doesn't, so why make the correlation regardless?
Online harassment isn't mostly men, it always depends on the subject though but things like cyber bullying etc are often done by girls/women.
 

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Online harassment isn't mostly men, it always depends on the subject though but things like cyber bullying etc are often done by girls/women.
That is why most anti-cyberbullying features women. But like I said, there is no "but whatabout men doing ____" as a response to it.
 
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Although I'm not homeless, suicidal, war hero, firemen or victim of violence, this is a better way to get sales;
Also pravus you and I are not compatible in earlier discussion, that's fine, I'm sure you have some other opinion that correlates to reality.
 

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Although I'm not homeless, suicidal, war hero, firemen or victim of violence, this is a better way to get sales;
Also pravus you and I are not compatible in earlier discussion, that's fine, I'm sure you have some other opinion that correlates to reality.
I think some will point out how many men start those wars and commit those homicides against other men but the point still stands. People need to just be better all around regardless of gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation.
 
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Imagine being a scientist who studies a variety of passerine birds and thinking "Those male swallows are such a******s. They're bad. The females deserve so much better."
 

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I think some will point out how many men start those wars and commit those homicides against other men but the point still stands. People need to just be better all around regardless of gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation.
Yes, of course we do, we kill, rape, start wars (women would prob start as much wars though if they had that power) and beat each other up far, far more than women, it's in our genes. But in the west, we hold this back as much as we can. The preachiness of Hollywood, and in this case Gilette, wil only make real men (not feminized or wife beaters) swing in the "wrong" direction imo. I see this with a lot of coworkers and friends. I do get triggered at times, but then I realize these people usually are privileged, naive people that haven't lived like the majority of normal people have.
 

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Also, boys should beat each other up when kids, not systematically bully weaker ones, but have fights. This is what makes us grow up to be real men imo. Otherwise it leads to backstabbing and s*** talking which will lead to far worse scenarios. Boys will, and should be boys to a degree (when it comes to boy-to-boy interactions) or they'll have a hard time when the inevitable semi-fall of the west/world happens.
 

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Yes, of course we do, we kill, rape, start wars (women would prob start as much wars though if they had that power) and beat each other up far, far more than women, it's in our genes. But in the west, we hold this back as much as we can. The preachiness of Hollywood, and in this case Gilette, wil only make real men (not feminized or wife beaters) swing in the "wrong" direction imo. I see this with a lot of coworkers and friends. I do get triggered at times, but then I realize these people usually are privileged, naive people that haven't lived like the majority of normal people have.
Oh I agree, it's one thing to encourage good behavior and to call out bad actors by name but social media and even commentators on television have gotten really lazy when it comes to how they talk about white men. If you say anything negative about any other group you have to first qualify it with something like "most _____ are peaceful people but a small minority are guilty of ________" or you'll get in trouble, hell even with those qualifiers people still sometimes get raked over the coals. When you talk about white men though you never have to say "some" or "most aren't this way" ahead of time, you just say "white men do this" and if someone sticks up for it you get some snarky "oh poor white men" answer. It's true in the west white men have had most of the power there is no doubt about it, but that goes for other cultures as well, do women have most of the power in Asia or the Middle East? Nope.
 

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Also, boys should beat each other up when kids, not systematically bully weaker ones, but have fights. This is what makes us grow up to be real men imo. Otherwise it leads to backstabbing and s*** talking which will lead to far worse scenarios. Boys will, and should be boys to a degree (when it comes to boy-to-boy interactions) or they'll have a hard time when the inevitable semi-fall of the west/world happens.
I think boys roughhousing is normal, I'm sure we all did it, it's fun to wrestle with your friends when you are a kid. What shouldn't be allowed is bullying, at the same time we all need to face some adversity when we are kids or we'll never figure out how to handle it when we grow up. I was always one of the taller kids in my age group at school so I was never really bullied physically except by an older kid once in elementary school and I also got beaten up in 6th grade by a 9th grader when I was walking home from school with a friend.

Not to go off topic but it was kind of funny, my friend and I were walking home and I only live a block from the school, we had been in detention for not doing homework so we were walking home late and no other kids from our school were around. Well this 9th grader and his friend were riding their bikes on the sidewalk and came up behind us and he ran into me and he fell and I didn't so he got pissed. He stood up and his friend encouraged him to kick my ass, he was much bigger than me I was 11 and he was 15, anyway he punched me 4 times in the face and I stood my ground, never hit him back but didn't cry or try to leave so he gave up and left. My face was swollen like crazy but it didn't hurt because everything went numb really fast. When I went back to school 3 days later I thought I'd get made fun of for getting beaten up but everyone was talking about how tough I was because I didn't cry lol.

Anyway back to the topic lol I do think it's totally normal for kids to roughhouse with each other, it's just sort of a playful thing and at times it is sort of used to show who is the strongest kid without it getting too violent. It's really a natural thing to do, what's not natural is totally beating the hell out of someone and causing a serious injury.

I almost forgot I was semi bullied by an 8th grade girl when I was in 6th grade too (hell of a school year lol) She didn't hit me but she tried to punk me out by coming up to me and pushing me and telling me "let's go" because she knew I wouldn't do it. That's a no win situation, if you hit the girl you are the guy who hit a girl, if you fight and she somehow wins you are the guy who got his ass kicked by a girl (she was actually a little taller than me, she was big for a girl and was 2 years older than me) I used to see that happen a lot though, not as much as guys doing s*** to other guys don't get me wrong but there are girls who try to bully guys as well.
 

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Also, boys should beat each other up when kids, not systematically bully weaker ones, but have fights. This is what makes us grow up to be real men imo. Otherwise it leads to backstabbing and s*** talking which will lead to far worse scenarios. Boys will, and should be boys to a degree (when it comes to boy-to-boy interactions) or they'll have a hard time when the inevitable semi-fall of the west/world happens.
The commercial is clearly about bullying not fighting. Its clearly about what you say they shouldn't do.

I think some will point out how many men start those wars and commit those homicides against other men but the point still stands. People need to just be better all around regardless of gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation.
I think making the point about everybody would have made sense if it wasn't a mens product. If they are going to make this kind of commentary in an ad I don't know how it isn't going to be aimed at men. Pandering to "both sides" people just doesn't make sense.