SJW stupidity. Let's just have one Social Justice Warrior, and anti-vaxxers, stupidity thread since they're all stupid.

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Jesus f***ing Christ! Because a women is getting some recognition for being a major integral part of how we got the first photo of the black hole, people are attacking her because she wasn't the lead developer. SMMFH!

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/46326/vegan-restaurant-charged-men-18-more-women-closing-ashe-schow

Vegan Restaurant That Charged Men 18% More Than Women Is Closing Its Doors
A restaurant that declared it would charge men 18% more than women for the same service will close its doors at the end of the month.​
Handsome Her, a vegan café in the Melbourne suburb of Brunswick, will close its doors on April 28, writing on Facebook that the two women responsible for running the business “are off to our next adventure up north where we will be doing some hands-on work, something we have missed sorely whilst being at 206 Sydney Rd, Brunswick.”​
There is no indication that the restaurant is closing as a result of charging men more than women – a policy that was implemented back when the restaurant opened and only applied one week a month.​
As the Sydney Morning Herald reported in 2017, when Handsome Her made headlines for its charge-men-more policy, the café posted a chalkboard outside with three rules:​
 

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I had to look up who the hell that was. Never heard of him. He’s a country singing, vegan, Florida man.
I didn't think it was anyone famous. I was just like look at this moron celebrating famous people getting kids killed.


Live or don't live. We deserve choices!
 

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Live or don't live. We deserve choices!
Apologies ahead of time for the wall of text. If anyone would like to discuss any of this, I will only respond if we’re all mature about it.

I hesitated to even reply to the vaccine stuff, but I think there is a problem with the public, ongoing debate.

I don’t have children, but I have worked in the medical field for about 15 years, including several area hospitals. I currently have my own practice, and have personality treated about 40-50k patients in that time period. Once I even lectured at Harvard to a group of peers :).

I’m only saying this to provide a bit more credibility to what I’m about to say.

Vaccines work, and I’m not against them.
And believe it or not, most ‘anti’ parents are quite educated, and do in fact feel vaccines work. But they are painted with a broad stroke to all be anti-science, which isn’t true. Most of them agonize for months over this decision, and do a tremendous amount of research, and questioning of their pediatricians.

The issue for most of them is NOT whether vaccines work or not, it’s the potential for side effects. There is tremendous amount of info about this online, but side effects are far more common than the public is aware of. But if the effect doesn’t occur in the office at the time of the injection, it cannot be reported as a side effect. So quite literally, if a child gets an injection, goes home and breaks out in hives, then goes back to the doctor’s office, the doc can’t report it as a vaccine issue.

It is also illegal to sue manufacturers, which is why you don’t hear much about damage. If damage can be proven, the families usually get paid off by money from a compensation program (which is from millions of dollars set aside by the government).

I recently had an older female patient in my office I was treating for shoulder pain. She looked like she had been crying, and when I asked, she told me her 4 year old grandson had suddenly developed a seizure disorder. No family history of neurological conditions, no recent fevers, no meds, no tick-borne disease (like Lyme, which is very common here). So after all my questions, I finally asked if he had had any shots recently. She told me her daughter was a single mom, and was several pediatrician checkups behind due to her work schedule. A few days before his first grand-mal seizure, he was finally getting a check-up, and because he was behind, the doc gave him 3 vaccine doses in one sitting. 3-4 days later he had his first seizure. When the doc was questioned after the seizures started, he told the family the seizures were ‘totally unrelated’, and that they ‘just happen sometimes’ in kids. Right.
Just another reason damage goes unreported. I have seen this reaction several times in children, but this was the most severe case.

My sister is a high school psychologist, and just a few weeks ago, 3 kids getting booster shots to get ready for college had severe injuries, including one that is now currently confined to a wheelchair, with stroke-like symptoms. It was supposed to be on the local news, but the story got cut.

And still, I’m for vaccines. But the problem is they need to be made safer, and the dosages need to be delayed and more spread out, the way it’s done in most European countries. They are using cheap stabilizers, adjuvants, and preservatives, and when repeatedly injected directly into the bloodstream, they bypass the body’s normal way of mounting an immune response. Plus the nervous and immune systems are not fully developed at the time most injections are occurring, and that’s the other part of the problem.

So while there are crazy anti-vaxxers out there, please don’t assume that everyone who has chosen not to vaccinate is anti-science. Most of them struggle with the decision, are very educated, and they know vaccines work. They are just more fearful of the potential side effects, and until either a lot of research is done, or you spend time in a hospital or clinic and see it firsthand, the average person has no awareness of the potential issues that go along with vaccines.

My frustration is with the lack of transparency by the medical community at large, and with the knowledge that the vaccines could most likely be made more safe, but it seemingly comes down to a cost issue. No one even mentions the potential side effects. If you get the flu shot, did the person doing it say ‘before we do this, there is small chance of guillain barre syndrome’...? Never happens, but I see several cases of it a year.

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Apologies ahead of time for the wall of text. If anyone would like to discuss any of this, I will only respond if we’re all mature about it.

I hesitated to even reply to the vaccine stuff, but I think there is a problem with the public, ongoing debate.

I don’t have children, but I have worked in the medical field for about 15 years, including several area hospitals. I currently have my own practice, and have personality treated about 40-50k patients in that time period. Once I even lectured at Harvard to a group of peers :).

I’m only saying this to provide a bit more credibility to what I’m about to say.

Vaccines work, and I’m not against them.
And believe it or not, most ‘anti’ parents are quite educated, and do in fact feel vaccines work. But they are painted with a broad stroke to all be anti-science, which isn’t true. Most of them agonize for months over this decision, and do a tremendous amount of research, and questioning of their pediatricians.

The issue for most of them is NOT whether vaccines work or not, it’s the potential for side effects. There is tremendous amount of info about this online, but side effects are far more common than the public is aware of. But if the effect doesn’t occur in the office at the time of the injection, it cannot be reported as a side effect. So quite literally, if a child gets an injection, goes home and breaks out in hives, then goes back to the doctor’s office, the doc can’t report it as a vaccine issue.

It is also illegal to sue manufacturers, which is why you don’t hear much about damage. If damage can be proven, the families usually get paid off by money from a compensation program (which is from millions of dollars set aside by the government).

I recently had an older female patient in my office I was treating for shoulder pain. She looked like she had been crying, and when I asked, she told me her 4 year old grandson had suddenly developed a seizure disorder. No family history of neurological conditions, no recent fevers, no meds, no tick-borne disease (like Lyme, which is very common here). So after all my questions, I finally asked if he had had any shots recently. She told me her daughter was a single mom, and was several pediatrician checkups behind due to her work schedule. A few days before his first grand-mal seizure, he was finally getting a check-up, and because he was behind, the doc gave him 3 vaccine doses in one sitting. 3-4 days later he had his first seizure. When the doc was questioned after the seizures started, he told the family the seizures were ‘totally unrelated’, and that they ‘just happen sometimes’ in kids. Right.
Just another reason damage goes unreported. I have seen this reaction several times in children, but this was the most severe case.

My sister is a high school psychologist, and just a few weeks ago, 3 kids getting booster shots to get ready for college had severe injuries, including one that is now currently confined to a wheelchair, with stroke-like symptoms. It was supposed to be on the local news, but the story got cut.

And still, I’m for vaccines. But the problem is they need to be made safer, and the dosages need to be delayed and more spread out, the way it’s done in most European countries. They are using cheap stabilizers, adjuvants, and preservatives, and when repeatedly injected directly into the bloodstream, they bypass the body’s normal way of mounting an immune response. Plus the nervous and immune systems are not fully developed at the time most injections are occurring, and that’s the other part of the problem.

So while there are crazy anti-vaxxers out there, please don’t assume that everyone who has chosen not to vaccinate is anti-science. Most of them struggle with the decision, are very educated, and they know vaccines work. They are just more fearful of the potential side effects, and until either a lot of research is done, or you spend time in a hospital or clinic and see it firsthand, the average person has no awareness of the potential issues that go along with vaccines.

My frustration is with the lack of transparency by the medical community at large, and with the knowledge that the vaccines could most likely be made more safe, but it seemingly comes down to a cost issue. No one even mentions the potential side effects. If you get the flu shot, did the person doing it say ‘before we do this, there is small chance of guillain barre syndrome’...? Never happens, but I see several cases of it a year.

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Thanks for the informative post, but still, f*** anti-vaxxers. f*** them for bringing back disease that were conquered.
 

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Thanks for the informative post, but still, f*** anti-vaxxers. f*** them for bringing back disease that were conquered.
Anger/frustration is on all sides, and both are valid.

But IMO, all anger should be directed at the companies making the vaccines. Not only are vaccines fast-tracked, and don’t have to undergo the more rigorous trials regular drugs undergo (which is part of the problem), they could make them much safer, but choose not to because of expense.

They are allowing increased risk of damage in order to maximize profit, and that’s infuriating to me.
 

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Anger/frustration is on all sides, and both are valid.

But IMO, all anger should be directed at the companies making the vaccines. Not only are vaccines fast-tracked, and don’t have to undergo the more rigorous trials regular drugs undergo (which is part of the problem), they could make them much safer, but choose not to because of expense.

They are allowing increased risk of damage in order to maximize profit, and that’s infuriating to me.
Anger at both. Force companies to make them safer according to your experience, but, at the same time, don't be stupid by not vaccinating your kids.
 

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So after all my questions, I finally asked if he had had any shots recently. She told me her daughter was a single mom, and was several pediatrician checkups behind due to her work schedule. A few days before his first grand-mal seizure, he was finally getting a check-up, and because he was behind, the doc gave him 3 vaccine doses in one sitting. 3-4 days later he had his first seizure. When the doc was questioned after the seizures started, he told the family the seizures were ‘totally unrelated’, and that they ‘just happen sometimes’ in kids. Right.
Just another reason damage goes unreported. I have seen this reaction several times in children, but this was the most severe case.
This is the problem though - when you have a sick kid, the natural reaction is what caused this and how can I fix it. Is it worth looking into that they had a bunch of shots and then had a seizure? Sure, but this doesn't prove causation at all. It is really easy to see how an angry/upset parent can jump to conclusions.

I see the exact same thing in IT all the time (just without the emotional attachment). We push out PC patches on a Wednesday afternoon. User sees an error message on Thursday, instantly blames the patches on Wednesday. Makes sense, right? Well, not if you see that I had two other reports of the exact same thing happening to others before I pushed out the patches. It is a really easy trap to fall into. Our brains are conditioned to look for patterns in the world.

My wife went through a period as a young kid where she suddenly started having seizures regularly. It was a huge problem that doctors couldn't fix... but soon they just stopped. Now, in her adult life she's had 2 more in 40+ years. What caused them? Doctors still don't know.
 

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What caused them? Doctors still don't know.
Sadly, one of the fundamental problems with humanity is there are way too many people who can read that as: "What caused them? Doctors." because that's what they want to read.
 

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Immunization is a decent example of the trolley problem.

You're the engineer of a train going down the track. Ahead of you is 5 people on the track who will die. There's no time to brake in time, however, there's a switch you can pull that will divert you to another track, but on that track, there is one person who will be killed. (Immunization isn't even analogous to killing one person of course)

Is doing nothing that will cause more harm better than taking action and causing a smaller negative impact? Aren't you consciously causing harm by your actions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Even if the side effects of immunization aren't zero, they are still the best path. You always pull the lever and choose the path that guarantees the least negative consequences.
 

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Even if the side effects of immunization aren't zero, they are still the best path. You always pull the lever and choose the path that guarantees the least negative consequences.
I see your point, and I actually like how you are viewing it. Definitely something to think about.

But I don’t think anyone outside of the medial community realizes what the potential negative consequences are, because as I mentioned before the heavier stuff gets buried.

As of 1 year ago, the newer vaccine Gardasil (for HPV) was already responsible for roughly 60,000 adverse effects, including nearly 12,000 permanent injuries, and over 400 deaths. And those are only the reported cases.

Yet I’m betting for anyone reading this, it’s the first time hearing about it.

And me clinically, there is obviously something significant going on, and I think the drastic increase in vaccines and their effects in the last few decades at least deserves more scrutiny from a medical perspective.

At the end of the day, we’re injecting dead viruses and preservatives over and over into bodies with underdeveloped nervous and immune systems. These materials are bypassing the body’s normal way of mounting a response, so it can’t possibly respond in typical fashion. You don’t have to have my medical background to conceive of the possibility that this might cause some problems for more than a few people.

Asthma and allergies are immune-mediated problems, and ADHD is a neurological issue, so what is going on if it’s not that.? No one seems to have an explanation. We treat these things medically but why are they there in such high numbers now? Food allergies, severe allergies, asthma, ADHD....they are all increasing at a tremendous rate in developed countries. There has to be explanation, and it’s not just because the diagnostic criteria has changed over time.

There is a pediatrician who flies under the radar about an hour from me, and we speak professionally every once in a while. She has directly said to me many times ‘I can tell you by reading their medical history, before I even see them, which kids haven’t had vaccines...no allergies, no asthma, no neurological problems.’ And she’s been in practice for 30 years, long enough to see the changes taking place.

I have a patient who is a grade school nurse, and in a school of 247 kids, 19 of them need to carry Epi-pens full-time, and 38 of them need to carry inhalers. Yet this change has happened over time, so it’s become the new normal. Kids having tubes put in their is ridiculously common now.

Take that into account with the fact that in the 1960s the average child got 5 vaccinations, while in 2019 the number is at 72, and it’s going to be increasing soon.

Now some of these health problems can be explained by poor diet, lack of exercise, exposure to drugs while in the womb, etc. But they have reached epidemic proportions, and for no other apparent reason?

I’ll say it again, I’m not anti. But these are medical issues are causing massive, massive problems and suffering for kids and families.

And I’m not even saying it’s all vaccine related, but it’s a potential cause that deserves much more attention and study than it’s getting.

With an alternative schedule and safer vaccines, the problems could be greatly reduced, if indeed that is what is causing it. We owe it to everyone to at least look more closely at it. I’m still for the protection they provide. We just need to do better on this issue, immediately.
 

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I see your point, and I actually like how you are viewing it. Definitely something to think about.

But I don’t think anyone outside of the medial community realizes what the potential negative consequences are, because as I mentioned before the heavier stuff gets buried.

As of 1 year ago, the newer vaccine Gardasil (for HPV) was already responsible for roughly 60,000 adverse effects, including nearly 12,000 permanent injuries, and over 400 deaths. And those are only the reported cases.

Yet I’m betting for anyone reading this, it’s the first time hearing about it.

And me clinically, there is obviously something significant going on, and I think the drastic increase in vaccines and their effects in the last few decades at least deserves more scrutiny from a medical perspective.

At the end of the day, we’re injecting dead viruses and preservatives over and over into bodies with underdeveloped nervous and immune systems. These materials are bypassing the body’s normal way of mounting a response, so it can’t possibly respond in typical fashion. You don’t have to have my medical background to conceive of the possibility that this might cause some problems for more than a few people.

Asthma and allergies are immune-mediated problems, and ADHD is a neurological issue, so what is going on if it’s not that.? No one seems to have an explanation. We treat these things medically but why are they there in such high numbers now? Food allergies, severe allergies, asthma, ADHD....they are all increasing at a tremendous rate in developed countries. There has to be explanation, and it’s not just because the diagnostic criteria has changed over time.

There is a pediatrician who flies under the radar about an hour from me, and we speak professionally every once in a while. She has directly said to me many times ‘I can tell you by reading their medical history, before I even see them, which kids haven’t had vaccines...no allergies, no asthma, no neurological problems.’ And she’s been in practice for 30 years, long enough to see the changes taking place.

I have a patient who is a grade school nurse, and in a school of 247 kids, 19 of them need to carry Epi-pens full-time, and 38 of them need to carry inhalers. Yet this change has happened over time, so it’s become the new normal. Kids having tubes put in their is ridiculously common now.

Take that into account with the fact that in the 1960s the average child got 5 vaccinations, while in 2019 the number is at 72, and it’s going to be increasing soon.

Now some of these health problems can be explained by poor diet, lack of exercise, exposure to drugs while in the womb, etc. But they have reached epidemic proportions, and for no other apparent reason?

I’ll say it again, I’m not anti. But these are medical issues are causing massive, massive problems and suffering for kids and families.

And I’m not even saying it’s all vaccine related, but it’s a potential cause that deserves much more attention and study than it’s getting.

With an alternative schedule and safer vaccines, the problems could be greatly reduced, if indeed that is what is causing it. We owe it to everyone to at least look more closely at it. I’m still for the protection they provide. We just need to do better on this issue, immediately.
Drugs aren't tested well enough all over like you said. I don't think vaccines are a particular problem more than anything else. The entire industry is a problem, and so many doctors just push what big pharma sells them. With all the medical data being gathered, they are simply testing these drugs on people and seeing what happens. I've had one specialist give me a drug that my main doctor didn't know about.

I'm not a pediatrician or anything close to a doctor, so I can't intelligently speak to most of the rest. One thing I can say about something like ADHD is that it is more prevalent because it wasn't known back in the day. If I stared out the window during school, the teacher yelled at me and maybe wrote a note to my parents, now we analyze it and see what's "wrong". Kids would rather be playing video games or outside than sitting in a classroom? I likely had ADHD as a kid, we just didn't know what it was. My parents and teachers yelled at me and told me to pay attention, so I did. In my first grades they seriously thought I was developmentally challenged, eventually I went on to earn a masters degree.

There's a lot of cases going up simply because there's doctors now looking for more things. Back in my day we didn't even know about concussions. Head injuries? We'd get knocked out in a hockey game and get sent right back out there. We'd get praise from coaches, teammates and parents for being tough :) Head injuries aren't necessarily on the rise, they were just rarely reported.

My point is you have to take the data in context. It still might be significant, I'm just saying there was a lot of under-reporting back in the day. Lots of us grew up in the "rub some dirt on it" era. We got yelled at, maybe even a spanking, not taken to a child counselor.

I do know that measles is back after being completely gone, and that is 100% because of this.
 

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I don't blame anyone BUT the drug companies for this becoming a problem, there is no trust with them. At the same time I don't know anyone who has had an adverse reaction to being vaccinated. I do know people that have issues and reactions to other drugs so it stands to reason that vaccines can have an adverse impact on some people. The issue it would seem is that you are far more likely to get the disease that you were vaccinated against without the vaccine than you are to have some negative impact on your health because of the vaccine so even though it's not 100% safe it's still probably a better choice to be vaccinated than not.
 

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Ring wing youtubers really milking this one for all its worth
Those types on youtube are like remora fish who attach themselves to sharks, they are basically leaches lol. That being said she deserves the scorn, she is nothing but a lying sack of crap who milked this thing for her own benefit, nothing about her "movement" was sincere on her end.
 

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Oh it didn't end with that....



All sounds like bs anyways.


 

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And then went with this.....



 

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I don't know if this falls under SJW but it really annoyed me, first of all I don't know why trans is included with gay and bi-sexual as it's a totally different thing. Who you are attracted to and love is a much different thing than feeling that you were born the wrong gender, I have nothing against trans people but they make up almost 50% of this panel and have been taking up a large part of the national conversation over the past few years but they are under 1% of the population, this video seems more about trans people than anything else and there is one person who seems to be a sampler plate (little bit of everything, I know it sounds mean lol) and they coddle her like crazy, she's a grown person for crying out loud. I can see why str8 people who watch this would find it all confusing, I'm gay and I have a hard time taking it all in, non binary, trans, cisgender blah blah blah.

 

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I don't know if this falls under SJW but it really annoyed me, first of all I don't know why trans is included with gay and bi-sexual as it's a totally different thing. Who you are attracted to and love is a much different thing than feeling that you were born the wrong gender, I have nothing against trans people but they make up almost 50% of this panel and have been taking up a large part of the national conversation over the past few years but they are under 1% of the population, this video seems more about trans people than anything else and there is one person who seems to be a sampler plate (little bit of everything, I know it sounds mean lol) and they coddle her like crazy, she's a grown person for crying out loud. I can see why str8 people who watch this would find it all confusing, I'm gay and I have a hard time taking it all in, non binary, trans, cisgender blah blah blah.

Lol
This is so far from my world, I honestly don't have any problem if people identify with being a man, women, bird or else. If they want to, just do, right? Have no interest whatsoever to watch or read about it though, feels like it's being used by companies and media to gain popularity, not because they care about them but because they care about sales (which I understand I guess). Also, didn't your president have opinions of trans in the military or something like that awhile back?