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This is so far from my world, I honestly don't have any problem if people identify with being a man, women, bird or else. If they want to, just do, right? Have no interest whatsoever to watch or read about it though, feels like it's being used by companies and media to gain popularity, not because they care about them but because they care about sales (which I understand I guess). Also, didn't your president have opinions of trans in the military or something like that awhile back?
Yes, he’s not allowing them to fight for their country when he didn’t because he, literally, made up he had a boo boo on his foot.
 

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This is so far from my world, I honestly don't have any problem if people identify with being a man, women, bird or else. If they want to, just do, right? Have no interest whatsoever to watch or read about it though, feels like it's being used by companies and media to gain popularity, not because they care about them but because they care about sales (which I understand I guess). Also, didn't your president have opinions of trans in the military or something like that awhile back?
Yeah he said Trans people shouldn't be able to serve due to the "high cost" of their medical care. I have no problem with trans either and I do like how that one trans woman was explaining the difference between a trans person and the other groups, other than that I just found that whole video annoying, having to be classified as 4 things just seems like someone seeking attention to me. A trans person willing to go through procedures to transition tells me they really believe they are in the wrong body, someone who wants to be labeled as a bunch of different things and isn't willing to actually do anything to change themselves seems fake.
 

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Was just reading a story about how Boris Johnson in England was getting flack for saying people who live there should speak English, what's wrong with that? He looks like a reject from a Little Britain sketch but what's wrong with wanting people who move to your country to speak the language? I know in the US we are called racist for saying that and of course people can bring up the fact that we weren't here first but when you are talking about England it doesn't seem to make much sense to be upset about wanting people to speak English as a first language. Maybe I'm missing something about It but when a country welcomes you in should at least make the effort to assimilate and not just carry out the traditions of the place you chose to leave.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/moronic-and-clueless-boris-johnson-sparks-outrage-saying-everyone-in-britain-should-speak-english-first/ar-AADWRFw?ocid=spartandhp
 

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Was just reading a story about how Boris Johnson in England was getting flack for saying people who live there should speak English, what's wrong with that? He looks like a reject from a Little Britain sketch but what's wrong with wanting people who move to your country to speak the language? I know in the US we are called racist for saying that and of course people can bring up the fact that we weren't here first but when you are talking about England it doesn't seem to make much sense to be upset about wanting people to speak English as a first language. Maybe I'm missing something about It but when a country welcomes you in should at least make the effort to assimilate and not just carry out the traditions of the place you chose to leave.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/moronic-and-clueless-boris-johnson-sparks-outrage-saying-everyone-in-britain-should-speak-english-first/ar-AADWRFw?ocid=spartandhp
Its probably the complaining about hearing other languages and saying he doesn't hear english anymore in some places. You know what that is all about.

Plus the article says only 0.3% can't speak english. Doesn't exactly sound like a big problem.
 

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It comes down to context and basically exaggerating a problem that isn't really even a problem.

It also comes down to attacking other people instead of providing a solution. The wording is meant to spread hate, not actually improve things.
 

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Was just reading a story about how Boris Johnson in England was getting flack for saying people who live there should speak English, what's wrong with that? He looks like a reject from a Little Britain sketch but what's wrong with wanting people who move to your country to speak the language? I know in the US we are called racist for saying that and of course people can bring up the fact that we weren't here first but when you are talking about England it doesn't seem to make much sense to be upset about wanting people to speak English as a first language. Maybe I'm missing something about It but when a country welcomes you in should at least make the effort to assimilate and not just carry out the traditions of the place you chose to leave.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/moronic-and-clueless-boris-johnson-sparks-outrage-saying-everyone-in-britain-should-speak-english-first/ar-AADWRFw?ocid=spartandhp

I agree with him.

Also not happy with people expecting us to respect their beliefs when they don't ours and get offended when we celebrate stuff.
 
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Demanding speaking English as a first language will prevent nearly all immigration. I wonder why he would demand that...

I do agree, after a certain time, immigrants should have a strong grasp of a country’s most used language.
 

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You all should come and celebrate midsommar here, although judging by that horror movie just released I'm not sure it looks like a great celebration. I don't feel offended though, not even sure the version celebrated in the movie is worse than the real thing tbh
 

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Also, people should most definitely learn the countrys language if they plan to live there and become citizens. Can't see myself moving to a country and settle down and not caring about learning the language, that seems extremely lackadaisical.
 

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I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to learn the language of the country they live in but I also can't imagine why anyone would be bothered by hearing people speak a different language than the one they are in
 

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I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to learn the language of the country they live in but I also can't imagine why anyone would be bothered by hearing people speak a different language than the one they are in
Can’t imagine why? Tongue must be firmly planted in your cheek...
 
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Demanding speaking English as a first language will prevent nearly all immigration. I wonder why he would demand that...

I do agree, after a certain time, immigrants should have a strong grasp of a country’s most used language.
I think it should be known up front that it's expected that if a country welcomes you in that there are things you need to do like learn the language and at least try to assimilate into the culture. I have no problem with immigration as long as people at least make an effort , when I see people here who don't speak English after living here 20 years it bothers me a little bit. Not because I want to hear their conversations, when people are having a private conversation I don't care what language they use but it has an effect on things like jobs, employers often times will give a job to someone who speaks Spanish and that leaves out every group other than Hispanics who speak Spanish and it's not fair.

When I worked in a hospital many years ago Spanish speaking people would come in to talk about their bill and only a few in the office spoke Spanish so they'd have to get pulled off of working on their own accounts to work on someone else's because the patient spoke Spanish, if we didn't have anyone who spoke Spanish they'd have been out of luck. I get that it's intimidating to learn a new language but if you are brave enough to pick up and move to a new country you can learn the language of that country, it should be an expectation, even Barack Obama used to say that when talking about immigration reform.
 

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Demanding speaking English as a first language will prevent nearly all immigration. I wonder why he would demand that...

I do agree, after a certain time, immigrants should have a strong grasp of a country’s most used language.
Don't think it should be their first language but they should know it.

If I moved to France I would make sure I could speak the language
 

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I think it should be known up front that it's expected that if a country welcomes you in that there are things you need to do like learn the language and at least try to assimilate into the culture. I have no problem with immigration as long as people at least make an effort , when I see people here who don't speak English after living here 20 years it bothers me a little bit. Not because I want to hear their conversations, when people are having a private conversation I don't care what language they use but it has an effect on things like jobs, employers often times will give a job to someone who speaks Spanish and that leaves out every group other than Hispanics who speak Spanish and it's not fair.

When I worked in a hospital many years ago Spanish speaking people would come in to talk about their bill and only a few in the office spoke Spanish so they'd have to get pulled off of working on their own accounts to work on someone else's because the patient spoke Spanish, if we didn't have anyone who spoke Spanish they'd have been out of luck. I get that it's intimidating to learn a new language but if you are brave enough to pick up and move to a new country you can learn the language of that country, it should be an expectation, even Barack Obama used to say that when talking about immigration reform.
I think everyone here agrees with pretty much most of what you’ve wrote.
 

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Don't think it should be their first language but they should know it.

If I moved to France I would make sure I could speak the language
Yeah just speak it well enough to get by and so you can communicate and that's fine IMO.
 

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The problem is when you start comparing Europe and America you are talking very different places. America is a country made up of immigrants. "American" is not a race of people nor a language anyone speaks. European countries have centuries of culture and history.

I've never even been to Europe, but I know their immigration problem is very different. However, .3% doesn't seem like a major problem, or even a real problem at all. Sounds to me like people are a little too sensitive, just like the SJWs.
 

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The problem is when you start comparing Europe and America you are talking very different places. America is a country made up of immigrants. "American" is not a race of people nor a language anyone speaks. European countries have centuries of culture and history.

I've never even been to Europe, but I know their immigration problem is very different. However, .3% doesn't seem like a major problem, or even a real problem at all. Sounds to me like people are a little too sensitive, just like the SJWs.
I agree that it's a different standard but they also are a smaller country than we are with some different traditions, it's better to try to deal with it when it's at 3% than allowing it to get to 20% before you do something about it, that last survey was done in 2011 so it's probably higher than 3% now anyway.

America and England are different but at the same time English is the language spoken by most people here and I do think you need an official language in a country to try to keep some kind of order and sense of a commonality. When the vast majority of your citizens speak English it's not too much to ask when allowing new people to come in that they learn enough to at least get by so employers don't need to discriminate against the majority of people when hiring just to cater to a small but still significant minority.

I've known many people here in So Cal who's parents were immigrants and mainly it was the Mothers that never learned English because they generally stayed at home while the Dad and children went of to work and school so they had to learn the language. A few of my friends mother's had kids after being here for quite a while and taught them Spanish first and then let them learn English at school so that meant they had to be in an ESL class (English as a second language) which meant they started off behind, that also takes funds from things like advanced placement classes so it does hurt other people in different ways.
 

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I agree that it's a different standard but they also are a smaller country than we are with some different traditions, it's better to try to deal with it when it's at 3% than allowing it to get to 20% before you do something about it, that last survey was done in 2011 so it's probably higher than 3% now anyway.

America and England are different but at the same time English is the language spoken by most people here and I do think you need an official language in a country to try to keep some kind of order and sense of a commonality. When the vast majority of your citizens speak English it's not too much to ask when allowing new people to come in that they learn enough to at least get by so employers don't need to discriminate against the majority of people when hiring just to cater to a small but still significant minority.

I've known many people here in So Cal who's parents were immigrants and mainly it was the Mothers that never learned English because they generally stayed at home while the Dad and children went of to work and school so they had to learn the language. A few of my friends mother's had kids after being here for quite a while and taught them Spanish first and then let them learn English at school so that meant they had to be in an ESL class (English as a second language) which meant they started off behind, that also takes funds from things like advanced placement classes so it does hurt other people in different ways.
Its 0.3%
 

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Ah ok I just glanced at it, my mistake.The same report says it's 1.6% that don't speak it well or at all, it's likely that it's underreported as most things are to some degree and it's probably also a bit outdated considering how much immigration has been going on into England in the last decade.. Either way it's better to let take care of it now and not wait until you have a still small but significant number of people unable to speak the language well enough to get by on their own without someone else having to provide a translator.
 

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Not at all sure what the major problems are with migration in amerika, but in Europe (and Sweden in case) the biggest problem with our migration the last decade (except crime rate) is the fact that entire population areas are non swedish speaking and basically have their own rules (often islamic focused). This is facts, not racism or xenophobia, just facts.
 

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Not at all sure what the major problems are with migration in amerika, but in Europe (and Sweden in case) the biggest problem with our migration the last decade (except crime rate) is the fact that entire population areas are non swedish speaking and basically have their own rules (often islamic focused). This is facts, not racism or xenophobia, just facts.
Yeah and it's not racist to want that stuff to be stopped, you have your own culture and people coming in and thinking their religious laws should apply is ludicrous. It's racist if you say "I hate group X because they are inferior" but it's not racist when you have your own culture and way of life that you want to see continued in your country, allowing people to move there is a fine but they also need to remember there is a reason they are leaving wherever it is they are coming from and if they want to live in a new country they need to agree to at least put some effort into fitting in with that countries established language and way of living.
 

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Ah ok I just glanced at it, my mistake.The same report says it's 1.6% that don't speak it well or at all, it's likely that it's underreported as most things are to some degree and it's probably also a bit outdated considering how much immigration has been going on into England in the last decade.. Either way it's better to let take care of it now and not wait until you have a still small but significant number of people unable to speak the language well enough to get by on their own without someone else having to provide a translator.
Chances are, that .3% is just people who are brand new. It actually isn't that hard to pick up and learn a language when you are living in a place that speaks it. It isn't like high school where they force us to learn a language out of a book. So, that number isn't even going to necessarily change at all. Kids born in the country will pick up the language naturally.

If you want to evaluate immigrants based on their potential to get a job (something language would be a big part), that's ok, but it doesn't take long to get to the dog whistles that the alt right nationalists love to push. They aren't looking to solve a problem, but just to throw hate around.

They make it sound all practical, but they offer no solutions. They just want to feed hate. What exactly are we supposed to do with what Boris says?
 

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Chances are, that .3% is just people who are brand new. It actually isn't that hard to pick up and learn a language when you are living in a place that speaks it. It isn't like high school where they force us to learn a language out of a book. So, that number isn't even going to necessarily change at all. Kids born in the country will pick up the language naturally.

If you want to evaluate immigrants based on their potential to get a job (something language would be a big part), that's ok, but it doesn't take long to get to the dog whistles that the alt right nationalists love to push. They aren't looking to solve a problem, but just to throw hate around.

They make it sound all practical, but they offer no solutions. They just want to feed hate. What exactly are we supposed to do with what Boris says?
We can't be afraid to say something that's true because some right wingers will co-opt it either though, sadly if you even hint that people should learn English you get called racist by many and that basically shuts any real convo down at the start. It just makes sense to know the main language of the country you are living in, there really is no logical reason not to. I'm not saying you said that either don't get me wrong. In the case of England and other parts of Europe as has been pointed out it's not just the language it's some other things that come with it like refusal to try to assimilate in any real way etc, it's kind of a package deal.
 

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We can't be afraid to say something that's true because some right wingers will co-opt it either though, sadly if you even hint that people should learn English you get called racist by many and that basically shuts any real convo down at the start. It just makes sense to know the main language of the country you are living in, there really is no logical reason not to. I'm not saying you said that either don't get me wrong. In the case of England and other parts of Europe as has been pointed out it's not just the language it's some other things that come with it like refusal to try to assimilate in any real way etc, it's kind of a package deal.
Im my experience, I've never heard anyone say that. Everyone I know, all sides of the isle, feel everyone should learn English here in the States.
 
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Hi Guys,

First post here at Union VGF I was around during the TXB days can't remember the tag I had though.

Not at all sure what the major problems are with migration in amerika, but in Europe (and Sweden in case) the biggest problem with our migration the last decade (except crime rate) is the fact that entire population areas are non swedish speaking and basically have their own rules (often islamic focused). This is facts, not racism or xenophobia, just facts.
Very good post and in part I think this was a main driving force of the brexit vote. The UK has seen so much immigration from all over the world, but in the last 15-20 years we have had massive waves of immigration due to FoM from Europe and in part I think we have lost our culture identity.


I think this video really hit the nail on the head and I'm totally in agreement with Sargon on this, it's not racist to say we have had enough migration and want it to stop but the hardcore remainers have framed all leave voters as racist since the referendum.

BTW I don't know the political leanings of VGF or their views of Sargon, so I hope you aren't too hash on me lol
 
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Hi Guys,

First post here at Union VGF I was around during the TXB days can't remember the tag I had though.



Very good post and in part I think this was a main driving force of the brexit vote. The UK has seen so much immigration from all over the world, but in the last 15-20 years we have had massive waves of immigration due to FoM from Europe and in part I think we have lost our culture identity.


I think this video really hit the nail on the head and I'm totally in agreement with Sargon on this, it's not racist to say we have had enough migration and want it to stop but the hardcore remainers frame all brexiteers as racists because of the referendum.

BTW I don't know the political leanings of VGF or their views of Sargon, so I hope you aren't too hash on me lol
Welcome... back... to the forums. These forums lean heavily to rational when it comes to politics and idiocy is called out, regardless of what side it's on. Take a gander of the politics thread and you'll get an idea of how things lean.
 
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