PS5 System Software Updates - SSD Info - Atmos, Discord And Streaming

It wasn't a big deal with how the PS4 introduced their harddrive changing solution and it's not a big deal right now because it's basically the same thing.

People making mountains of a moletop IMO.
 
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Just saw Tom Warren do it. Actually it looks pretty easy. Much easier seeing it than reading all that wall of text.

Easily worth the extra literal minute for the $/performance you could potentially get.


Yeah, watching makes it look a lot easier than reading all those instructions. Its more involved over simply inserting it into a slot on the back of an Xbox but it doesn't look that hard at all. Thanks for posting that video it made me breath a sigh of relief.

However, the price of the 1tb FireCuda SSD is $250 which is like $35 more than the SSD expansion card for Xbox. These things sure aren't cheap but I want one so no choice but to pay. Well, there's always the choice of not getting it and deleting games to make space but I don't want to have to do that so I will pay.

So far Sony has only given the FireCuda its seal of approval and it comes with a built in heatsink so that's the drive I'll get. It seems to come out some time next month and I'll bet it'll be hard to find for a while since both PC gamers and now PS5 gamers will be looking to purchase it.

I'll just remain patient and get one when I can........after all the hard part is over since I already have a PS5. :banana:
 
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Yeah, watching makes it look a lot easier than reading all those instructions. Its more involved over simply inserting it into a slot on the back of an Xbox but it doesn't look that hard at all. Thanks for posting that video it made me breath a sigh of relief.

However, the price of the 1tb FireCuda SSD is $250 which is like $35 more than the SSD expansion card for Xbox. These things sure aren't cheap but I want one so no choice but to pay. Well, there's always the choice of not getting it and deleting games to make space but I don't want to have to do that so I will pay.

So far Sony has only given the FireCuda its seal of approval and it comes with a built in heatsink so that's the drive I'll get. It seems to come out some time next month and I'll bet it'll be hard to find for a while since both PC gamers and now PS5 gamers will be looking to purchase it.

I'll just remain patient and get one when I can........after all the hard part is over since I already have a PS5. :banana:

There was a PNY 1TB drive that met recommended specs that is selling for $159, I was reading somewhere but you have to buy and install a separate heatsink for it. From what I've researched, they are less than $9.99 so not a big deal. When this becomes official, you will see a list of all recommended drives by DF and other reviewers so nothing to worry about as they will probably tell you which is the best one to get in terms of performance, budget etc.
 
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There was a PNY 1TB drive that met recommended specs that is selling for $159, I was reading somewhere but you have to buy and install a separate heatsink for it. From what I've researched, they are less than $9.99 so not a big deal. When this becomes official, you will see a list of all recommended drives by DF and other reviewers so nothing to worry about as they will probably tell you which is the best one to get in terms of performance, budget etc.
No, no, no...........NOPE! I will not go the budget route or with one that requires some DIY skills in an attempt to save a couple of dollars and possibly gimp my super fast PS5.

My precious PS5 deserves the good stuff. If I takecare of her she'll takecare of me. :grin:
 
No, no, no...........NOPE! I will not go the budget route or with one that requires some DIY skills in an attempt to save a couple of dollars and possibly gimp my super fast PS5.

My precious PS5 deserves the good stuff. If I takecare of her she'll takecare of me. :grin:
Might want to wait and see if DF, IGN or others test
 
No, no, no...........NOPE! I will not go the budget route or with one that requires some DIY skills in an attempt to save a couple of dollars and possibly gimp my super fast PS5.

My precious PS5 deserves the good stuff. If I takecare of her she'll takecare of me. :grin:

Lol. I think as long as the SSD is at the recommended specs or above, you are gucci. Insomniac Games tested those at and above recommended specs and said early results show there are virtually no distinguishable differences compared to default SSD. The SSD's below recommended specs they tested show up to 15% decrease in performance in the most SSD stressed environment.
 
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I am really surprised Sony lets you actually open up your console to stick something in it...wow,are they serious lol.

Anyway,at those prices I will try my best to not need one :p
 
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I am really surprised Sony lets you actually open up your console to stick something in it...wow,are they serious lol.

Anyway,at those prices I will try my best to not need one :p

They allowed the same thing with the PS4. So this has been a thing since 2013. 😋
 
I am really surprised Sony lets you actually open up your console to stick something in it...wow,are they serious lol.

Anyway,at those prices I will try my best to not need one :p
They allowed the same thing with the PS4. So this has been a thing since 2013. 😋
Aren’t they technically not allowing you to open and gain access “the inside“? it’s really just a fashionable cover to gain access to a dedicated port that’s been designed for one purpose?
 
Aren’t they technically not allowing you to open and gain access “the inside“? it’s really just a fashionable cover to gain access to a dedicated port that’s been designed for one purpose?

I think of it like a casual's opening of the console. A console is not very customizable by default as it is supposed to be plug and play. So this is pretty much the casual version of opening up.

The real "inside" in my book is when you built your own PC and have access to remove and swap anything you want.
 
I think of it like a casual's opening of the console. A console is not very customizable by default as it is supposed to be plug and play. So this is pretty much the casual version of opening up.

The real "inside" in my book is when you built your own PC and have access to remove and swap anything you want.
Like a smart phone that allows you to replace a battery, or insert a second SIM card Zoe additional memory?
 
Like a smart phone that allows you to replace a battery, or insert a second SIM card Zoe additional memory?

Like a smartphone that allows you to expand the storage yeah. Even for beginner tinklers, you just need a few minutes to go through the whole process after watching a YouTube video and reading the basic steps most likely. Sony ensured the process would be as easy as possible for the average Joe.

I assumed that with the option that Sony chose it would result in cheaper prices. Not the same or higher.

You have to remember these SSD tech literally came out almost at the same time as the PS5 did. With the chips shortage headwind, it might take some time for prices to come back down. Which is why the PS5 at $399 is such a good deal if you prefer digital. For an extra $150 on top of the higher end SSD models you have a complete gaming console with state of the art SSD tech.
 
Looks like these two will be the go-to's. Both Cerny approved.

Western Digital's SN850 and Seagate's Firecuda 530.



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Someone already installed a SN850, PS5 has its read speeds at 6.5 GB/s which is plenty fast above the recommended of 5.5.

 
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Another option as promo-ed by Asus Aorus.

The good thing about this is that whenever you grow or want to further upgrade the SSD, those with a PC can just put the old PS5 one into their PC build as well.

 
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Yup. You get the ease, the performance, multiple options from different manufacturers, lower prices over time and holiday sales.


You don't get the same performance as the internal SSD and there's no option but Seagate according to this TechRadar article.

"As for speed, the Seagate Xbox Storage Expansion Card is incredibly fast, supporting all the same Quick Resume features and speedy loading times that the console’s internal drive supports. It’s not quite as fast (booting a save of Yakuza: Like a Dragon from the card from the home screen took 45 seconds from the card, and around 37 from internal storage), but it’s still much faster than previous console generation solutions offered."

Not many options but Seagate:

"The big drawback? The cost – it’s prohibitively expensive, almost the price of an Xbox Series S console itself. And Seagate kind of has us over a barrel at the moment – there’s no alternative to its card if you want extra space for your console, barring the laborious process of moving games back and forth between a conventional hard drive and the internal storage."

Rare discounts:

"Available now, the Seagate Xbox Storage Expansion Card has a retail price of $219.99 / £219.99. So far, that seems to be a pretty unwavering price point, with discounts remaining quite rare."
 

You don't get the same performance as the internal SSD and there's no option but Seagate according to this TechRadar article.

Who said exact same performance?

There will be multiple options, just like Sony will have multiple options. If and when Sony allows the public to use external SSDs that is. It's only in beta right now.

Xbox will have multiple third parties making them and at different sizes. And of course prices will drop as the market dictates.
I think, over time, you'll see this [storage expansion] a category that's really critical to us. You'll see multiple options and different form factors and different sizes. But what was really important for us is that we had a simple, easy-to-use option available day one. You can expect to see more options moving forward.

As for pricing, it's already been on sale a couple of times. $179 and $190.



It's also been on sale for $186.00
 
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Who said exact same performance?

There will be multiple options, just like Sony will have multiple options. If and when Sony allows the public to use external SSDs that is. It's only in beta right now.

Xbox will have multiple third parties making them and at different sizes. And of course prices will drop as the market dictates.


As for pricing, it's already been on sale a couple of times. $179 and $190.



It's also been on sale for $186.00

You said it has the performance which one would assume is the same as the internal if you don't clarify. But it's not. The external storage solution will always be not quite as fast as the internal one because of how MS decided to do it.

That's good news on the price front.
 
You said it has the performance which one would assume is the same as the internal if you don't clarify. But it's not. The external storage solution will always be not quite as fast as the internal one because of how MS decided to do it.

That's good news on the price front.

Performance vs. a standard Xbox Series X/S optimized unsupported drive which is for BC games only. IE external HDD. You assumed wrong.

And apparently it maintains the performance.


Conclusion

The Seagate Storage Expansion Card for Xbox Series X|S allows users to double or more than double their console capacity while maintaining performance. As far as how this translates into gameplay, users will see no real difference in loading games off of the card versus using the internal drive, which is the main draw.

and PC mag says it's "nearly as fast as the internal"


There was a 5 second difference here on an old gen game:



49 sec vs 54 sec, and that is not utilizing XVA
 
Performance vs. a standard Xbox Series X/S optimized unsupported drive which is for BC games only. IE external HDD. You assumed wrong.

And apparently it maintains the performance.




and PC mag says it's "nearly as fast as the internal"


There was a 5 second difference here on an old gen game:



49 sec vs 54 sec, and that is not utilizing XVA


The fact I automatically assumed you meant they had the same performance when I read your post already shows how ambiguous you left it.

I didn't know it was not quite as fast as the internal SSD until I happened upon that TechRadar article.

Yakuza like a dragon was the XSX version they tested, not BC. It was 45 seconds for external, 37 seconds loading from home screen for the internal. Either way, the conclusion even from your articles is that the external SSD's performance is not as fast as the internal SSD. Results will vary but overall, it's not the same performance as your previous post implied to. Just clarifying so all good now.
 
The fact I automatically assumed you meant they had the same performance when I read your post already shows how ambiguous you left it.

I didn't know it was not quite as fast as the internal SSD until I happened upon that TechRadar article.

Yakuza like a dragon was the XSX version they tested, not BC. It was 45 seconds for external, 37 seconds loading from home screen for the internal. Either way, the conclusion even from your articles is that the external SSD's performance is not as fast as the internal SSD. Results will vary but overall, it's not the same performance as your previous post implied to. Just clarifying so all good now.
Clarifying is good. No I didn't imply anything. Just so we are on the same page.
 
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They allowed the same thing with the PS4. So this has been a thing since 2013. 😋
They allowed it on PS3, so actually this has been a thing since 2006, and if you wanna get REAL technical, they allowed it in 2003 with the PS2 Hard Drive.
 
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Interesting results for a Samsung 980 Pro from a Reddit user.

TLDR: Games played with no issue or difference in speed, loading times, performance: Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, Rainbow Six Siege. OEM Amazon heatsink reduces heat significantly during SSD load. Moving games from main SSD to expansion SSD is more faster than the other way around.



UPDATE ON PS5 BENCHMARK:

Ok guys this was very interesting. I decided I would reformat the Samsung 980 Pro to see if the PS5 gave me another number on the benchmark it runs. Lo and behold it did! I don't know how this benchmark works, but it's definitely not consistent. I ran it 4 more times and these are the numbers I got:

6072.967 MB/s
5069.494 MB/s
5973.731 MB/s
6213.344 MB/s
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SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 250 GB

Tested and works with PS5
Read speed: 5751.242 MB/s according to PS5. (I got different results here as mentioned above)
Games played with no issue or difference in speed, loading times, performance: Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, Rainbow Six Siege

Temperatures were taken in weather of 25°c (77°f), with infrared gun pointing directly at the hottest part of SSD as close as possible. I know the PS5 uses negative airflow to cool the SSD partition, so the enclosure plate was always on, except when I took temperatures and I removed it:

Without Heatsink

Idle Temperature: 55°c - 59°c

Highest Writing Temperature while transferring 5 games: 74°c

Highest temperature while playing Ratchet and Clank and Returnal: 72°c

With a OEM heatsink from Amazon:

Note: The heatsink is dissipating the heat from the hottest area of the SSD to a bigger surface area. I highly recommend getting a heatsink.

Idle Temperature: 43°c - 45°c
Highest Writing Temperature while transferring 5 games: 50°c
Highest temperature while playing Ratchet and Clank and Returnal: 50°c

UPDATE ON SPEEDS:

ok so I timed some speeds on Ratchet and Clank and Returnal. Games load and perform identical as far as I can tell, but what I found interesting is the difference in time it take to move the games to the main SSD or to the Samsung Pro 980.

I don't know why, but moving to Samsung SSD was faster than moving back to main SSD. Does this mean the main SSD is reading faster, or that the Samsung SSD is writing faster? Or both? The games are loading almost identical, so I'm guessing both are reading equally fast. Hopefully DF can provide more insight into this.

Returnal

Ps5 main SSD:

Time to game 13.45s
Time to move 4min 4s

Samsung 980 Pro:

Time to game 13.37s
Time to move 2m 3s

Ratchet and Clank

Ps5 Main SSD:

Time to menu 7.51s
Time to game 1.79s
Time to move 2m33s

Samsung:

Time to menu 7.55s
Time to game 1.86s
Time to move 1m4s
 
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