Star Wars IX - The Rise Of Skywalker UPDATE New Trailer

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Can’t wait I’m curious how they will end it all... and I’m sure die hards will still find something to complain about in this movie.
 

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The last one was awful, it was basically Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica thrown into a woke blender. Hopefully this time they were more concerned with the film being a good Star Wars movie and less about real world issues.
 

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The last one was awful, it was basically Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica thrown into a woke blender. Hopefully this time they were more concerned with the film being a good Star Wars movie and less about real world issues.
Nah the movie had actual problems. Not SJW boogeyman problems.

I believe in JJ
 
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I'm just worried JJ is going to go too vanilla. A carbon copy of past movies like Force Awakens. Rey will fight Kylo at the end with the backdrop being some First Order/Empire super weapon. People think they want a very safe, familiar story, but they aren't remembering Force Awakens.

Granted I have a big beef with JJ. What he did with Star Trek was just awful, yet people seem to like it.
 

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I'm just worried JJ is going to go too vanilla. A carbon copy of past movies like Force Awakens. Rey will fight Kylo at the end with the backdrop being some First Order/Empire super weapon. People think they want a very safe, familiar story, but they aren't remembering Force Awakens.

Granted I have a big beef with JJ. What he did with Star Trek was just awful, yet people seem to like it.
Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars movie since the original three.
 
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Nah the movie had actual problems. Not SJW boogeyman problems.

I believe in JJ
It had all of it, adding an Asian female character for no other reason than "representation" and to have someone for Finn to hang out with while not doing anything that important, Leia flying in space on her own, Luke transmitting himself across the stars and then dying for no reason, Poe basically getting half of their forces killed, doing another Hoth battle only this time with bigger walkers on a desert planet, killing Snoke before we learned anything about him, taking several plot points from the previous movie and just throwing them away etc.
 

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It had all of it, adding an Asian female character for no other reason than "representation" and to have someone for Finn to hang out with while not doing anything that important, Leia flying in space on her own, Luke transmitting himself across the stars and then dying for no reason, Poe basically getting half of their forces killed, doing another Hoth battle only this time with bigger walkers on a desert planet, killing Snoke before we learned anything about him, taking several plot points from the previous movie and just throwing them away etc.
Characters are shallow because they are shallow, not because of their gender, ethnicity or anything else.
 

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Characters are shallow because they are shallow, not because of their gender, ethnicity or anything else.
Benicio del Toro's character is pretty pointless but nobody complains he is only there because he is Hispanic.
 

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Characters are shallow because they are shallow, not because of their gender, ethnicity or anything else.
Never said it was because of that, she was added for those reasons but that's not WHY she was a worthless character. I feel bad for the actress, she got a lot of hate for things that were out of her control.
 

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Benicio del Toro's character is pretty pointless but nobody complains he is only there because he is Hispanic.
I doubt most people remember he was even in it, he was another worthless character who didn't need to be in the film. BTW The reason people point out a characters ethnicity and gender when talking about the "woke" garbage is because that's mostly what the media talks about when they interview people about the character. It's all about representation "She's the first female Asian".... then you see the movie and the character has no reason to be in it. Again it's not the actresses fault, she did the best that could be done with the crap she was given and nobody would have had a problem with her being in it had she actually served a purpose other than checking a box. The whole issue is the fault of the director/writer who decided to make characters based on checking boxes first and then making them fit into the story second.
 

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I doubt most people remember he was even in it, he was another worthless character who didn't need to be in the film. BTW The reason people point out a characters ethnicity and gender when talking about the "woke" garbage is because that's mostly what the media talks about when they interview people about the character. It's all about representation "She's the first female Asian".... then you see the movie and the character has no reason to be in it. Again it's not the actresses fault, she did the best that could be done with the crap she was given and nobody would have had a problem with her being in it had she actually served a purpose other than checking a box. The whole issue is the fault of the director/writer who decided to make characters based on checking boxes first and then making them fit into the story second.
The media talking about it has nothing to do with whether the movie is good or not.
 

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The media talking about it has nothing to do with whether the movie is good or not.
Who said it did? The character was hyped up by the media for the representation, when it turned out that she was a shallow worthless character who's storyline was crammed in, hurt the movie and took focus away from what the previous film had done it became pretty obvious that the only reason she was there was for the "woke" points It's not a huge leap, you know Kathleen Kennedy runs the show there and her comments about not owing male fans anything and "the force is female" and all of that stupid combative crap only makes it stand out even more.

This franchise had one of the strongest and most beloved female characters in movie history in Leia, people generally liked Rey in the first film in this trilogy as well, star wars fans have no problem with strong female characters, the thing they have a problem with is lazy writing, going for cheap woke cred and trying to apply stuff going on in the real world to this fantasy world that most people enjoy because it's an escape from the crap we all see in everyday life.
 

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Who said it did? The character was hyped up by the media for the representation, when it turned out that she was a shallow worthless character who's storyline was crammed in, hurt the movie and took focus away from what the previous film had done it became pretty obvious that the only reason she was there was for the "woke" points It's not a huge leap, you know Kathleen Kennedy runs the show there and her comments about not owing male fans anything and "the force is female" and all of that stupid combative crap only makes it stand out even more.

This franchise had one of the strongest and most beloved female characters in movie history in Leia, people generally liked Rey in the first film in this trilogy as well, star wars fans have no problem with strong female characters, the thing they have a problem with is lazy writing, going for cheap woke cred and trying to apply stuff going on in the real world to this fantasy world that most people enjoy because it's an escape from the crap we all see in everyday life.
If you just cared about the writing then that is what you would be talking about.
 

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Would people like Rey more or less were she to be played by Liu Yifei? No one seem to have issue with Donnie Yen or Diego Luna or the fact that many of lead roles are Brits... I find it disappointing that doctor Strange doesn’t have an accent, maybe that woulda made him too snooty sounding :p but Fin totally shoulda kept his accent cos most of the Empires baddies do.


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OMG could Rey’s accent to the confirmation that she’s the true baddie and Kylo will be the Skywalker to Rise
 

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The whole issue is the fault of the director/writer who decided to make characters based on checking boxes first and then making them fit into the story second.
No, it isn't. It is a bad story because it is a bad story. Finn's character has always been shallow and poor, that sequence just highlighted that. It would have been a poor story no matter what the race/gender of anyone playing it.

The problem isn't that people didn't like that part of the story (it was dumb and pointless), it is that it is all that it gets blamed on progressives.

The prequels managed to suck even worse long before Disney got hold of it. There's a reason much of the prequel stuff is cringe worth memes.
 

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If you just cared about the writing then that is what you would be talking about.
For the last time, they worked that character in at the expense of everything else, going for woke points had a negative impact on the movie. They needed a storyline for her so they took a main character from the previous film and stuck him with her, they sent them off for something stupid and it hurt the film overall. It's not the actresses fault, it's not because it's an Asian woman in the movie it's because they decided they needed the character at all. That busy work storyline they jammed in there meant they had to throw things that should have been continued from the previous movie away. When this trilogy is over it'll be the most disjointed of the bunch, they never should have let Johnson make the changes he did, Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired over it.
 

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No, it isn't. It is a bad story because it is a bad story. Finn's character has always been shallow and poor, that sequence just highlighted that. It would have been a poor story no matter what the race/gender of anyone playing it.

The problem isn't that people didn't like that part of the story (it was dumb and pointless), it is that it is all that it gets blamed on progressives.

The prequels managed to suck even worse long before Disney got hold of it. There's a reason much of the prequel stuff is cringe worth memes.
Finn could and should have had more character development in the second movie but because he got stuck with a new character that wasn't needed he was relegated to third tier status. Everyone wanted to see him and Poe team up so what did Rian Johnson do? He created a character for Finn to go on some side mission with and turned Poe into an treasonous idiot. Rian Johnson made plenty of poor choices, he and Kathleen Kennedy are both morons, again she was the one with "the force is female" BS and talking down to male fans who for the most part are the lifeblood of the franchise. Yes there are women that like it too but there are nowhere near as many female fans as male. Kennedy showed a lot of arrogance early on and it came back to bite her in the ass, if she didn't run the franchise the way she does people wouldn't blame anything on progressives.
 

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The curious thing about this is movie goers groan and complain about how films including Star Wars rehash the same formulaic ideas. I think even The Force Awakens was considered absurdly reminiscent of A New Hope.

So along comes Rian Johnson who tosses out the usual playbook and it completely freaks people out.

I think it's hilarous actually that Snoke just dropped off the scene early. The whole path to Hero fighting Villain then Arch-Villain is off the rails and it creates new situation we have now.

As for what I hope to happen, I wonder if the Skywalker that 'rises' is Leia. I wonder if they wanted to tease an inner connection to the Force with her surviving the space battle the way she did. This is problematic because of Carry Fisher passing away, but we don't know how much was filmed.
 

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For the last time, they worked that character in at the expense of everything else, going for woke points had a negative impact on the movie. They needed a storyline for her so they took a main character from the previous film and stuck him with her, they sent them off for something stupid and it hurt the film overall. It's not the actresses fault, it's not because it's an Asian woman in the movie it's because they decided they needed the character at all. That busy work storyline they jammed in there meant they had to throw things that should have been continued from the previous movie away. When this trilogy is over it'll be the most disjointed of the bunch, they never should have let Johnson make the changes he did, Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired over it.
Look all I'm saying is all I can do is judge the movie based on what I see on the screen. We can't just make up theories about its development and assume they are facts because it justifies our opinions or agendas.

But I agree about Johnson
 
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The curious thing about this is movie goers groan and complain about how films including Star Wars rehash the same formulaic ideas. I think even The Force Awakens was considered absurdly reminiscent of A New Hope.

So along comes Rian Johnson who tosses out the usual playbook and it completely freaks people out.

I think it's hilarous actually that Snoke just dropped off the scene early. The whole path to Hero fighting Villain then Arch-Villain is off the rails and it creates new situation we have now.

As for what I hope to happen, I wonder if the Skywalker that 'rises' is Leia. I wonder if they wanted to tease an inner connection to the Force with her surviving the space battle the way she did. This is problematic because of Carry Fisher passing away, but we don't know how much was filmed.
It was just dull, poorly used Luke and betrayed he's character and tried to be marvel with lame jokes in every scene.
 
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The curious thing about this is movie goers groan and complain about how films including Star Wars rehash the same formulaic ideas. I think even The Force Awakens was considered absurdly reminiscent of A New Hope.

So along comes Rian Johnson who tosses out the usual playbook and it completely freaks people out.

I think it's hilarous actually that Snoke just dropped off the scene early. The whole path to Hero fighting Villain then Arch-Villain is off the rails and it creates new situation we have now.

As for what I hope to happen, I wonder if the Skywalker that 'rises' is Leia. I wonder if they wanted to tease an inner connection to the Force with her surviving the space battle the way she did. This is problematic because of Carry Fisher passing away, but we don't know how much was filmed.
When you set up a trilogy you want to have a plan so it's all cohesive, Johnson screwed the whole thing up and I can't believe that Kathleen Kennedy was stupid enough to allow that to happen. Yes the first movie was a lot like a New Hope and it has some issues too but it was still an entertaining film overall, the second one just seemed like a mess, it was like he saw the Battlestar Galactica episode "33" and tried to combine that with The Empire Strikes Back and a kids movie and none of it worked. Instead of trying to continue the story that was started for him Johnson arrogantly seemed to think the franchise was his and he needed to do something entirely new, if he had made the first movie that'd be fine but he didn't so he should have felt some obligation to keep things going within the framework that Abrams had set up in the previous film.
 
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I honestly wondered if he was cherry picking random s*** from The Last Starfighter.

I relate to what you're saying and felt like I was fvcked with by the script. I kind of like screwball movies though and having expecations dashed beyond belief.

As for the coherence of the whole thing, I don't know what went on behind the scenes. Maybe there was a trilogy Master Plan and Johnson s*** on it. If so, then did Johnson just want to make a random movie with no sequel plan of his own or a compromise with the original?

I'm with you on Luke, though mostly because his weird attitude doesn't really square with Lor San Tekka wanting to protect his location. Probably one of the easiest ways this series rights itself is if they can booked with Tekka and explain what he knew.





But c'mon who doesn't want giant beach monster titty milk?
 

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I honestly wondered if he was cherry picking random s*** from The Last Starfighter.

I relate to what you're saying and felt like I was fvcked with by the script. I kind of like screwball movies though and having expecations dashed beyond belief.

As for the coherence of the whole thing, I don't know what went on behind the scenes. Maybe there was a trilogy Master Plan and Johnson s*** on it. If so, then did Johnson just want to make a random movie with no sequel plan of his own or a compromise with the original?

I'm with you on Luke, though mostly because his weird attitude doesn't really square with Lor San Tekka wanting to protect his location. Probably one of the easiest ways this series rights itself is if they can booked with Tekka and explain what he knew.





But c'mon who doesn't want giant beach monster titty milk?
Doesn't seem like there was which is pretty baffling. At least with Lucas its all one vision. The vision was often pretty bad but one vision nonetheless.

Should have just thrown whatever money necessary to convince JJ Abrams or whoever to do them all
 
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Doesn't seem like there was which is pretty baffling. At least with Lucas its all one vision. The vision was often pretty bad but one vision nonetheless.

Should have just thrown whatever money necessary to convince JJ Abrams or whoever to do them all
Well, Lucas didn't even direct them all at first. He did the first movie than let other directors handle it. He wanted to be drive the creative vision of it, but not direct them.

Until the Prequels where people started throwing a fit like they are now.