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JinCA

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Today is officially my last day working from home. Only 18 more years until I can retire. :sad: We've been told that "maybe we'll look into it in the future". Their answer is get vaccinated and you'll probably be ok, but that doesn't help with all the nuts who still won't get it.

Back to working in a cube farm working for 3 different bosses (at least I'm 5 less than the guy from Office Space but that's pretty much my life).

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Job searching is going slowly. Apparently this hiring boom hasn't hit IT. Most of the jobs are trash postings that don't even mention salary.

Supposedly there's a new report coming out today saying that vaccinated people are spreading the delta variant which is why they are going back to suggesting masking. Even with good vaccination rates, cases are going up.
A lot of that in my area too, almost all of the hiring is retail or fast food so likely part time with no benefits.
 
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One thing I think the CDC and WHO need to stop doing is making statements about things that they end up having to turn around and walk back later. Of course rational adults should understand that we are all kind of learning as we go here and that things can be wrong but the media keeps putting some of these medical professionals like Fauci up on a pedestal so when he has to change something that was previously stated the skeptics jump all over it.

When they said before that it didn't look like vaccinated people could spread the virus they should have made very clear that it wasn't proven it was just what they were thinking at the time, they actually shouldn't have said anything at all but once again they were just trying to "work" the masses like they did when they lied about masks instead of telling the truth. The media needs to be more responsible on how they report on these things as well, CNN and MSNBC are trying to just be the anti Fox now and aren't practicing real journalism anymore.
 

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If the delta gets spread by vaccinated people, but the vaccine means you'll be fine... Just lockdown all unvaccinated people.

You know, a dictator would've solved this the easy way.
 
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The unvaccinated should be shunned from society. There have been many instances of vaccine mandates in the past. Why is now any different? In the same way the anti-maskers said to the maskers that if they were afraid (not afraid just worried about killing others) to just stay home, we should just do the same to those a******s.
 

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One thing I think the CDC and WHO need to stop doing is making statements about things that they end up having to turn around and walk back later. Of course rational adults should understand that we are all kind of learning as we go here and that things can be wrong but the media keeps putting some of these medical professionals like Fauci up on a pedestal so when he has to change something that was previously stated the skeptics jump all over it.

When they said before that it didn't look like vaccinated people could spread the virus they should have made very clear that it wasn't proven it was just what they were thinking at the time, they actually shouldn't have said anything at all but once again they were just trying to "work" the masses like they did when they lied about masks instead of telling the truth. The media needs to be more responsible on how they report on these things as well, CNN and MSNBC are trying to just be the anti Fox now and aren't practicing real journalism anymore.

A lot of that falls on the media. If you read what the CDC actually says, it is actually pretty clear. The media takes everything they say and just amplifies it. They aren't twisting it, but making it seem more definitive than it really is.

The media jumps on it, all while rolling the "needle in arm" footage loop. Watch any coverage and count how many needles you see? You can see 30 needles in 10 seconds. It is no wonder everyone is twisted around. They are trying to scare and confuse people for ratings.

The booster thing is a perfect example. I've seen both headlines flashed sensationally. Science is still figuring that out. Them not knowing isn't confusion, but letting the science show what is best.
 
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A lot of that falls on the media. If you read what the CDC actually says, it is actually pretty clear. The media takes everything they say and just amplifies it. They aren't twisting it, but making it seem more definitive than it really is.

The media jumps on it, all while rolling the "needle in arm" footage loop. Watch any coverage and count how many needles you see? You can see 30 needles in 10 seconds. It is no wonder everyone is twisted around. They are trying to scare and confuse people for ratings.

The booster thing is a perfect example. I've seen both headlines flashed sensationally. Science is still figuring that out. Them not knowing isn't confusion, but letting the science show what is best.
The CDC and people representing the government should just say "we don't know yet but we are working on that" and leave it at that, there is no headline to take from that and as we know most people only read the headlines these days.
 

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I am so sick of Democratic officials doing this, I lost a lot of respect for Gavin Newsom after he did the same thing last year. If you put the rule in place and don't follow it yourself you deserve all the crap that comes your way, once again people on our side just giving the other side fuel, why should anyone take it seriously if the leaders who keep preaching how important all of this stuff is won't make the same sacrifices they tell everyone else to make?

 
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Most of those at the meeting came to protest the county mask mandate and were not wearing face coverings. Many spoke at the podium, and members of the crowd shouted throughout the meeting.

A city resident who attended the meeting began experiencing symptoms the day after the meeting and underwent a test for COVID-19 on Thursday, Dr. Fredrick Echols, acting city health director, said at a news conference on Sunday.
 

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Most of those at the meeting came to protest the county mask mandate and were not wearing face coverings. Many spoke at the podium, and members of the crowd shouted throughout the meeting.

A city resident who attended the meeting began experiencing symptoms the day after the meeting and underwent a test for COVID-19 on Thursday, Dr. Fredrick Echols, acting city health director, said at a news conference on Sunday.


We're literally watching natural selection at work. 🤣
 

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I can't speak for their union, but I can tell you as part of another state union in NY that Cuomo can go f*** himself. These fights aren't about the vaccine, but about him announcing things without even consulting with union leadership in any way. I don't think the fight is about the vaccine at all.

Cuomo takes a very, very hard line stance against any unions (in spite of being democrat) and even before all this there was tons of animosity.

Cuomo just announced that all state workers would now need to be vaccinated or be tested once a week, but that's been the policy for months already.

He announces this stuff and then starts negotiating with the unions, which is where all the problems come about. Our unions are willing to work with him, but when he sets the policy then opens up a dialog, things don't go well. Cuomo treats unions about as well as one of his young female assistants.

I've already gotten my vaccine, but I'll fight his anti-union behavior anyway. It really has nothing to do with the vaccine.
 

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I didn't really understand the union world until a buddy of mine (who's been in one for years) explained it to me. He works in an industry that can have a lot of "time off" aka no work to be done at that particular time while stuff is in the planning process. For a little bit of money he still gets his health insurance, and union bumps that pay out to him (among others) when he's "laid off."
 

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I didn't really understand the union world until a buddy of mine (who's been in one for years) explained it to me. He works in an industry that can have a lot of "time off" aka no work to be done at that particular time while stuff is in the planning process. For a little bit of money he still gets his health insurance, and union bumps that pay out to him (among others) when he's "laid off."

There's tons and tons of anti-union rhetoric out there. Stories like that one meant to make the teacher unions look bad, when in fact they aren't even given a chance to respond. A lot of this comes from Democrats too. Their narrative are that unions are no longer needed and are a dated, flawed concept. If that's the case, why do companies spend so much money on union busting?

Collective bargaining is a legitimate power that labor has and should always use it. Awful health care, low wages, wage increases that don't keep up with even inflation, while CEOs make record salaries? One reason for this is the lack of unions.

With the Amazon thing they tried to turn one location union which of course doesn't work unless you can get a wider scale.
 

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I can't speak for their union, but I can tell you as part of another state union in NY that Cuomo can go f*** himself. These fights aren't about the vaccine, but about him announcing things without even consulting with union leadership in any way. I don't think the fight is about the vaccine at all.

Cuomo takes a very, very hard line stance against any unions (in spite of being democrat) and even before all this there was tons of animosity.

Cuomo just announced that all state workers would now need to be vaccinated or be tested once a week, but that's been the policy for months already.

He announces this stuff and then starts negotiating with the unions, which is where all the problems come about. Our unions are willing to work with him, but when he sets the policy then opens up a dialog, things don't go well. Cuomo treats unions about as well as one of his young female assistants.

I've already gotten my vaccine, but I'll fight his anti-union behavior anyway. It really has nothing to do with the vaccine.
I agree with a lot of that, but it's hypocritical of the teachers union to have the stance of "Our choice," after a year of fighting to go back into the classroom, ESPECIALLY since schools will be 100% open and the delta variant hasn't hit here yet. Hopefully it won't.