The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!

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Plainview said:
But conspiracy only needs to have intent. If, after all of the interviews and evidence, that Mueller found no evidence of attempted conspiracy, then I have no clue what to say. Now, Barr's wording here is paramount. Mueller's was only able to present evidence up until election day 2016. Anything outside of that is outside of the scope and Mueller cannot use that in his special counsel. I really hope Mueller has unearthed a mountain of evidence of criminality, if there was, that has been sent to other districts.
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I sure hope you are right. I am trying not to read any more news because it is driving me crazy.
 
yankeessuck said:
I hate the argument that you can't get rid of electoral college because candidates will just campaign in large population areas as if the vast majority of the country isn't already ignored because their votes mean jack
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Yep, as it is now, states that are deep one way never see a candidate in the general election. Here in NY we're so deep blue that the Dems don't bother coming because they know they win easily and the GOP doesn't stand a chance. The last time NY elected a Republican was freaking Reagan. Even Hillary won NY easily. Nobody bothers to spend one penny here because why bother?

My vote hasn't come remotely close to mattering in all my years of voting. I end up voting 3rd party because why not? Nice to see maybe it helps someone get some more money to run next time. I know a ton of people who don't vote because of it. I try and convince them that "their vote matters", but it really doesn't.

My biggest problem with the electoral college is that a couple of states have all the power. Florida, Pennsylvania and a few other battleground states sway the election. Heck, Florida shouldn't get to decide Florida elections let alone the big ones. :)
 
The Mueller report is analogous to Caesar crossing the Rubicon. If Trump is allowed to bury it, history will look back on that as the moment our democracy changed. The Democrats have to stop being distracted and get the report released. If the report does let Trump off the hook? Great, then we'll move on. Let us see it. This isn't some tabloid story about an affair that Trump can just buy and bury. It is a long investigation that led to countless arrests and convictions. The American people need to see it.
 
Reminder of why we can't accept a summary of the report as good enough (as if we didn't already know that) :

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/03/...s-memo-understates-trump-flunkies-complicity/
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Most cynically, though, even after Barr acknowledges that the Russians used WikiLeaks to disseminate the stolen emails, the very next sentence doesn’t mention the charges Mueller brought against Stone for hiding his own (and through him, the campaign’s, including Donald Trump’s) coordination of the releases “for purposes of influencing the election.”

But we know Stone’s indictment has to be in the report. That’s because the report, by regulation, must list all Mueller’s prosecutorial decisions. So not only would Mueller describe that he indicted Stone, but he probably also explains why he didn’t include a conspiracy charge in Stone’s indictment (which probably relates primarily to First Amendment concerns, and not any illusions about WikiLeaks’ willing service for Russia on this operation). So it must be in the report. But Barr doesn’t mention that, indeed, the Trump campaign, through their associated rat-f***er, did actually coordinate on the hack-and-leak and did actually influence the election by doing so, they just didn’t coordinate directly with the Russian government.

On this matter, it’s crystal clear that Barr cynically limited his discussion of the report to obscure that Mueller had, indeed, found that the campaign “coordinated” on the hack-and-leak for purposes of influencing the election.


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Just in case the scope of how little of the report made it into the summary wasn't clear:

 
hrudey said:
Just in case the scope of how little of the report made it into the summary wasn't clear:

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Just like the non-blue wave, it took a few days for us to realize just how much was left out. The media already gave trump and republicans the stage and now they're going to have to work to correct the narrative.
 
Plainview said:
Just like the non-blue wave, it took a few days for us to realize just how much was left out. The media already gave trump and republicans the stage and now they're going to have to work to correct the narrative.
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The media isn't even getting the story of the summary right - both in neglecting the "does not vindicate Trump" part of the obstruction and in blindly accepting Trump's conflation of "did not establish collusion" and "proves collusion didn't happen". I do think that when as much of the full report as possible becomes public, that in itself will be fawned over too, albeit mostly the MSM will be reporting on what people who actually do the research will be saying.
 
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hrudey said:
The media isn't even getting the story of the summary right - both in neglecting the "does not vindicate Trump" part of the obstruction and in blindly accepting Trump's conflation of "did not establish collusion" and "proves collusion didn't happen". I do think that when as much of the full report as possible becomes public, that in itself will be fawned over too, albeit mostly the MSM will be reporting on what people who actually do the research will be saying.
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Yep. They're helping facilitate an incorrect narrative. It's the same as when they gave the orange a****** way too much airtime during primaries.
 
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Someone needs to get all these people registered and posting on 4chan so they can see the kind of people who make up this BS that they believe. Spend a few days reading threads there and see the kind of people who are steering your beliefs.

Although I'm wondering too if Q is just becoming another racist, alt-right dog whistle.
 
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Democrats need to be screaming from the rooftops to get that report released. If you let them keep repeating the same narrative... heck it may already be too late. Bill Maher talks about a slow moving coup and this is the part where it accelerates.
 
Kerosene31 said:
Democrats need to be screaming from the rooftops to get that report released. If you let them keep repeating the same narrative... heck it may already be too late. Bill Maher talks about a slow moving coup and this is the part where it accelerates.
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He's back on tonight I believe?
 
Kerosene31 said:
Democrats need to be screaming from the rooftops to get that report released. If you let them keep repeating the same narrative... heck it may already be too late. Bill Maher talks about a slow moving coup and this is the part where it accelerates.
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