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They need to get off the anti-Semitic stuff, she was talking about a wealthy lobbying group not about Jews as a whole and it was shameful that people jumped right to the anti-Semitic defense. Being critical of Israel, their government and the moves they are making has nothing to do with saying you hate Jews, sadly they are just using some of the identity politics crap some people on our side use.

Agree with this. Israel is a s***ty country that does s***ty things. That is not an attack on Jews.

Comey couldn't have been a factor had she not tried to be sketchy with the private server/emails to begin with, again she's the one that brought that on herself and people like to gloss over it. She was an awful candidate, she couldn't draw large crowds on her own, she didn't campaign in critical states even though people on the ground told her she needed to come and she has no personality, Obama and her husband have a ton of Charisma, they were good at campaigning and she wasn't, it may be a superficial quality but it is one that's needed when running for POTUS and she lacked it.

The FBI and Comey should be reckoned with. That email bulls*** 10 days before the election was criminal. Especially considering how the Trump campaign was under investigation for colluding with foreign governments and this was not made public.

I agree Clinton was not the most inspiring but she was still had more personality than the other candidates, yes that means Bernie. One thing to consider is she campaigned in Florida and lost the state somehow. I'm not sure how focusing on those other states would have helped.

I've said this since November 2016. Who is dumb enough to vote for Trump? Still feel this way. The past couple days only prove my point.
 
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Agree with this. Israel is a s***ty country that does s***ty things. That is not an attack on Jews.



The FBI and Comey should be reckoned with. That email bulls*** 10 days before the election was criminal. Especially considering how the Trump campaign was under investigation for colluding with foreign governments and this was not made public.

I agree Clinton was not the most inspiring but she was still had more personality than the other candidates, yes that means Bernie. One thing to consider is she campaigned in Florida and lost the state somehow. I'm not sure how focusing on those other states would have helped.

I've said this since November 2016. Who is dumb enough to vote for Trump? Still feel this way. The past couple days only prove my point.

Florida and Ohio are always very close but Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania usually go for the Dems. She and her campaign just took for granted that the "blue wall" was going to hold even though people in those states were telling them otherwise. She could have one had she turned out just a few thousand more people in those states but they just couldn't be bothered. I have to disagree about her having more personality than Bernie, he may be a gruff old man but his message resonates with a lot of people, she is dry and had a stale message that was basically "I'm the same thing you've been getting but in a pantsuit" and people wanted something different. Trump for all of his disgusting views at least read the mood of the country better, well at least the mood of the people in the states he needed to win the electoral college.
 
Well, yeah, the system has to be clogged - I mean, why else would they go to this extreme? I mean, it's not like there's any evidence to the contra...
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That doesn't really mean anything though, apprehensions doesn't mean they were people asking for asylum etc that's just the overall number of people caught trying to cross, most of them were likely sent back quickly without much else being done. If they had the capacity to process the people being detained there now they'd do it. That's not to say they aren't dragging their feet on getting more people down there but they are not set up as it stands to process the amount of people that have come through. Asylum seekers have risen nearly 2000% in the last 10 years.

https://time.com/longform/asylum-seekers-border/
The number of asylum seekers has skyrocketed. In 2008, according to federal data, fewer than 5,000 people apprehended by border agents expressed fear of returning home, thereby triggering the asylum process. Ten years later, that number has soared to more than 97,000—a nearly 2,000% increase. The figure has doubled in the past two years alone, driven by the arrivals of families and unaccompanied minors
 
Hillary's problem is that her message became "this is why you shouldn't vote for Trump", but lacked any "here's why you should vote for me". Then she doubled down with the famous "deplorables" comment. Humans are crazy stubborn in those situations. I remember seeing multiple "proud deplorable" bumper stickers. Was she right in saying it? I think so. Was it an awful move? Yep.

This is important because the Democrats run the risk of repeating the same mistake. Trump keeps repeating how good the stock market is and how low the unemployment rate is. Democrats need to tell voters why that economy is not working for them (deficit, healthcare).

Trump went to these places and spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places, Hillary didn't. The Democrats should be the no-brainer party of the middle class, but their message gets convoluted along the way (partially by the right information machine that is very good at what it does).
 
That doesn't really mean anything though, apprehensions doesn't mean they were people asking for asylum etc that's just the overall number of people caught trying to cross, most of them were likely sent back quickly without much else being done. If they had the capacity to process the people being detained there now they'd do it. That's not to say they aren't dragging their feet on getting more people down there but they are not set up as it stands to process the amount of people that have come through. Asylum seekers have risen nearly 2000% in the last 10 years.

https://time.com/longform/asylum-seekers-border/

And you're arguing anecdotal evidence of a *tiny* portion of the problem. 97000 cases ain't s***.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...e-raids-immigration-courts-arent-ready-227359

The backlog is a problem that the Trump admin completely inflammed, which of course gives them the pretext to not only just throw people in profitable detention centers but scream about a border crisis that, as the last chart showed, is simply not true. The backlog is because they're going after everyone they can,. Read the article and see some of the people being brought in for deportation, hearings, and ask yourself why we need to be going out of our way to prosucute these people, and if doing so is worth what we're doing to the people who are crossing now. The system is broken, but the solution is not to give in to the people who broke it's desire to break it further.
 
Hillary's problem is that her message became "this is why you shouldn't vote for Trump", but lacked any "here's why you should vote for me". Then she doubled down with the famous "deplorables" comment. Humans are crazy stubborn in those situations. I remember seeing multiple "proud deplorable" bumper stickers. Was she right in saying it? I think so. Was it an awful move? Yep.

This is important because the Democrats run the risk of repeating the same mistake. Trump keeps repeating how good the stock market is and how low the unemployment rate is. Democrats need to tell voters why that economy is not working for them (deficit, healthcare).

Trump went to these places and spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places, Hillary didn't. The Democrats should be the no-brainer party of the middle class, but their message gets convoluted along the way (partially by the right information machine that is very good at what it does).
I dont think it would of matter in any form she would of done.

As must as I hate Trump, he sang all the right tunes to con the people to believe in him.

This time around it will be much different because everyone NOW knows his gig.
 
Florida and Ohio are always very close but Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania usually go for the Dems. She and her campaign just took for granted that the "blue wall" was going to hold even though people in those states were telling them otherwise. She could have one had she turned out just a few thousand more people in those states but they just couldn't be bothered. I have to disagree about her having more personality than Bernie, he may be a gruff old man but his message resonates with a lot of people, she is dry and had a stale message that was basically "I'm the same thing you've been getting but in a pantsuit" and people wanted something different. Trump for all of his disgusting views at least read the mood of the country better, well at least the mood of the people in the states he needed to win the electoral college.

She bested Bernie in 2016 though. I would have expected Sanders to perform better with the 2020 election if his messages resonated. He appears to be staying about the same for now.

About the battleground states I always hear about, the numbers are not all that different. See below - numbers from source. Clinton visited Ohio and Pennsylvania as often as she did Florida. I do not strongly believe Clinton's campaign events were a 'must see event' that would have driven thousands to flock to her. It would have helped some but doubtful a few more visits would have changed everything. She also had more staff and spent more advertising than Obama 2012 in those battleground states. My personal feeling is the battleground talking point doesn't really hold up as much as some think. It comes off as an easy way to excuse the razor thin loss.

Some (def not all) of the blame IMO lays on Democrats outside of her control. I think many assumed she had it in the bag and she did, but not according to the electoral college. There were many progressives who straight dumped on her and treated her as 'both sides are the same'. I see this occurring with Biden a little and it is concerning. I don't plan on doing that to the nominee. If Bernie is the nominee I plan on supporting him. I will not taking Republican talking points and dumping on him.

I'm not singling you out. Just having discourse.

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I dont think it would of matter in any form she would of done.

As must as I hate Trump, he sang all the right tunes to con the people to believe in him.

This time around it will be much different because everyone NOW knows his gig.

Agreed. This is something Clinton could not do. Her base would never allow her to lie like Trump did. She put out detailed plans. Trump said he would do things you couldn't do or were straight up dishonest. She was respectful. While Trump used hatred. He used racism, bigotry, and xenophobia. Trump encouraged violence against protesters and Clinton (second amendment people comment). He embraced conspiracy theories, praised authoritarian leaders, attacked gold star families, and faced videos of him admitting sexual assault in addition to numerous accusations. He posted a fake porn video about a women. Trump's own party disowned him numerous times.

So when I hear CLinToN LoSt CAuSe SHe CalLeD dePLoraBles dePLoraBles aNd saId MiNErs woULd lOSe THEir JerBS....I dunno seems like some on the left still have a double standard. Moreover, if Trump spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places with this bulls*** then f*** lower and middle class folks.
Democrats need to embrace whomever it is this time and stop with the double standards.
 
Agreed. This is something Clinton could not do. Her base would never allow her to lie like Trump did. She put out detailed plans. Trump said he would do things you couldn't do or were straight up dishonest. She was respectful. While Trump used hatred. He used racism, bigotry, and xenophobia. Trump encouraged violence against protesters and Clinton (second amendment people comment). He embraced conspiracy theories, praised authoritarian leaders, attacked gold star families, and faced videos of him admitting sexual assault in addition to numerous accusations. He posted a fake porn video about a women. Trump's own party disowned him numerous times.

So when I hear CLinToN LoSt CAuSe SHe CalLeD dePLoraBles dePLoraBles aNd saId MiNErs woULd lOSe THEir JerBS....I dunno seems like some on the left still have a double standard. Moreover, if Trump spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places with this bulls*** then f*** lower and middle class folks.
Democrats need to embrace whomever it is this time and stop with the double standards.
The candidate needs to be supported at every turn by everyone. While I support most of what the "squad" does, if they dump on the candidate, f*** them. I hope they realize the magnitude of what is at stake in 2020. Any democrat that wins a primary in any district needs to be supported 100%.
 
So when I hear CLinToN LoSt CAuSe SHe CalLeD dePLoraBles dePLoraBles aNd saId MiNErs woULd lOSe THEir JerBS....I dunno seems like some on the left still have a double standard. Moreover, if Trump spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places with this bulls*** then f*** lower and middle class folks.
Democrats need to embrace whomever it is this time and stop with the double standards.

The double standard exists. It sucks because it is absolute lunacy. There was that interview with a Trump voter about how she thought Biden had "too big an ego" (can't remember if I saw that here or somewhere else). I mean WTF?? I almost did a spit take when I heard that.

Bill Maher calls it the "toxic D". I don't know why it exists and I don't know how to get rid of it, but I've learned that you can't ignore it away. Obama has dealt with it better than most and even he got a lot of it.

It isn't fair, it isn't right, it isn't based on any logic, but it is out there. People overlook faults of people on the right and not on the left. Democrats not only have to be better, but significantly better.
 
Agreed. This is something Clinton could not do. Her base would never allow her to lie like Trump did. She put out detailed plans. Trump said he would do things you couldn't do or were straight up dishonest. She was respectful. While Trump used hatred. He used racism, bigotry, and xenophobia. Trump encouraged violence against protesters and Clinton (second amendment people comment). He embraced conspiracy theories, praised authoritarian leaders, attacked gold star families, and faced videos of him admitting sexual assault in addition to numerous accusations. He posted a fake porn video about a women. Trump's own party disowned him numerous times.

So when I hear CLinToN LoSt CAuSe SHe CalLeD dePLoraBles dePLoraBles aNd saId MiNErs woULd lOSe THEir JerBS....I dunno seems like some on the left still have a double standard. Moreover, if Trump spoke to the lower and middle class folks in these places with this bulls*** then f*** lower and middle class folks.
Democrats need to embrace whomever it is this time and stop with the double standards.

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The fact that we are discussing how horrible Hillary is after Trump is racist again says it all
 
Trump tweeted that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Glad that is settled.

Its not like he refused to rent to black people in the 70s and still wouldn't even after settling with the government

or called for the Central Park Five to be executed in the 80s and called their eventual settlement a disgrace even though DNA proved they didn't do it

or is in favor or racial profiling

or believed the President was born in Kenya

or defended white supremacists in Charlottesville

or said his supporters were passionate after they beat up a Hispanic homeless man

or called African countries s***holes and wanted people from Norway instead

or allowed thousands to die in PR after the Hurricane

or wanted a registry of all Muslims in the country

or claimed that 80% of white people that were victims of homicide were killed by blacks

or told his casino president that blacks were lazy

or didn't disavow support from David Duke
 
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Trump tweeted that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Glad that is settled.

Its not like he refused to rent to black people in the 70s and still wouldn't even after settling with the government

or called for the Central Park Five to be executed in the 80s and called their eventual settlement a disgrace even though DNA proved they didn't do it

or is in favor or racial profiling

or believed the President was born in Kenya

or defended white supremacists in Charlottesville

or said his supporters were passionate after they beat up a Hispanic homeless man

or called African countries s***holes and wanted people from Norway instead

or allowed thousands to die in PR after the Hurricane

or wanted a registry of all Muslims in the country

or claimed that 80% of white people that were victims of homicide were killed by blacks

or told his casino president that blacks were lazy

or didn't disavow support from David Duke
He's still calling for them to be executed.
 
Ok WTF is going on? Part of the Tariff fallout?

I haven't been affected really, though Summer time freight has been a little up and down for me with less from out main customer and filling in with crap from brokers.

Just thought it was worth sharing as a freight industry is heavily tied to the economy.


https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/least-2-500-truck-drivers-152550919.html


At least 2,500 truck drivers have lost their jobs in 2019 as the transportation 'bloodbath' unfolds

Workday Minnesota/YouTube

  • Six trucking companies have folded in 2019.
  • That has left more than 2,500 truck drivers unemployed.
  • After a hugely profitable year in 2018, this year has seen retailers and manufacturers moving less, according to the Cass Freight Index

Truck drivers are suffering in 2019 — especially those who own or work at small businesses.

Rates in the spot market, in which retailers and manufacturers buy trucking capacity as they need it rather than through a contract, sank by about 18% year-over-year in June. That has caused truckers like Demetrius Wilburn, a Georgia-based driver, to find themselves unemployed.

Wilburn bought his semitruck four years ago after years of working as a company truck driver. But amid rock-bottom rates, Wilburn wasn't able to make a payment one month — and his truck was repossessed.

"I was only six months away from paying it off," Wilburn told Business Insider. "I'm trying to transition back into law enforcement now — don't want to ever drive trucks again. Definitely not worth it."

Read more: The pilots who fly your Amazon packages were getting paid way below industry standards. Then they started calling in sick with little notice.

The Lexington, Kentucky-based owner-operator Chad Boblett told Business Insider that some truck drivers were seeing a "bloodbath" in just how low rates had become.

Here are the trucking companies that have gone bankrupt in 2019, and how many truckers who are now out of a job. We use
 
Ok WTF is going on? Part of the Tariff fallout?

I haven't been affected really, though Summer time freight has been a little up and down for me with less from out main customer and filling in with crap from brokers.

Just thought it was worth sharing as a freight industry is heavily tied to the economy.


https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/least-2-500-truck-drivers-152550919.html


At least 2,500 truck drivers have lost their jobs in 2019 as the transportation 'bloodbath' unfolds

Workday Minnesota/YouTube

  • Six trucking companies have folded in 2019.
  • That has left more than 2,500 truck drivers unemployed.
  • After a hugely profitable year in 2018, this year has seen retailers and manufacturers moving less, according to the Cass Freight Index

Truck drivers are suffering in 2019 — especially those who own or work at small businesses.

Rates in the spot market, in which retailers and manufacturers buy trucking capacity as they need it rather than through a contract, sank by about 18% year-over-year in June. That has caused truckers like Demetrius Wilburn, a Georgia-based driver, to find themselves unemployed.

Wilburn bought his semitruck four years ago after years of working as a company truck driver. But amid rock-bottom rates, Wilburn wasn't able to make a payment one month — and his truck was repossessed.

"I was only six months away from paying it off," Wilburn told Business Insider. "I'm trying to transition back into law enforcement now — don't want to ever drive trucks again. Definitely not worth it."

Read more: The pilots who fly your Amazon packages were getting paid way below industry standards. Then they started calling in sick with little notice.

The Lexington, Kentucky-based owner-operator Chad Boblett told Business Insider that some truck drivers were seeing a "bloodbath" in just how low rates had become.

Here are the trucking companies that have gone bankrupt in 2019, and how many truckers who are now out of a job. We use

Tesla driverless semis taking the jobs!

But seriously, yep. Small businesses are getting destroyed by tariffs.
 


Well I guess 1 big debate is better than 2 big debates but I'd like it to be smaller. July debates will still likely be 10 and 10 again with Steve Bullock taking Swalwell's spot.
 
She bested Bernie in 2016 though. I would have expected Sanders to perform better with the 2020 election if his messages resonated. He appears to be staying about the same for now.

About the battleground states I always hear about, the numbers are not all that different. See below - numbers from source. Clinton visited Ohio and Pennsylvania as often as she did Florida. I do not strongly believe Clinton's campaign events were a 'must see event' that would have driven thousands to flock to her. It would have helped some but doubtful a few more visits would have changed everything. She also had more staff and spent more advertising than Obama 2012 in those battleground states. My personal feeling is the battleground talking point doesn't really hold up as much as some think. It comes off as an easy way to excuse the razor thin loss.

Some (def not all) of the blame IMO lays on Democrats outside of her control. I think many assumed she had it in the bag and she did, but not according to the electoral college. There were many progressives who straight dumped on her and treated her as 'both sides are the same'. I see this occurring with Biden a little and it is concerning. I don't plan on doing that to the nominee. If Bernie is the nominee I plan on supporting him. I will not taking Republican talking points and dumping on him.

I'm not singling you out. Just having discourse.

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Bernie got virtually no media attention until Trump had locked up the Republican nomination, the media had already anointed Hillary before the primary process even started and the dems were totally ignored because of what was going on with the Republicans.
 
And you're arguing anecdotal evidence of a *tiny* portion of the problem. 97000 cases ain't s***.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...e-raids-immigration-courts-arent-ready-227359

The backlog is a problem that the Trump admin completely inflammed, which of course gives them the pretext to not only just throw people in profitable detention centers but scream about a border crisis that, as the last chart showed, is simply not true. The backlog is because they're going after everyone they can,. Read the article and see some of the people being brought in for deportation, hearings, and ask yourself why we need to be going out of our way to prosucute these people, and if doing so is worth what we're doing to the people who are crossing now. The system is broken, but the solution is not to give in to the people who broke it's desire to break it further.

97k is a lot compared to what they are used to dealing with and what they were likely staffed for, the stat you provided before was basically talking about anyone who was stopped not asylum seekers which have a process that needs to be followed before they are allowed to enter or be sent back.
 
Ok WTF is going on? Part of the Tariff fallout?

I haven't been affected really, though Summer time freight has been a little up and down for me with less from out main customer and filling in with crap from brokers.

Just thought it was worth sharing as a freight industry is heavily tied to the economy.


https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/least-2-500-truck-drivers-152550919.html


At least 2,500 truck drivers have lost their jobs in 2019 as the transportation 'bloodbath' unfolds

Workday Minnesota/YouTube

  • Six trucking companies have folded in 2019.
  • That has left more than 2,500 truck drivers unemployed.
  • After a hugely profitable year in 2018, this year has seen retailers and manufacturers moving less, according to the Cass Freight Index

Truck drivers are suffering in 2019 — especially those who own or work at small businesses.

Rates in the spot market, in which retailers and manufacturers buy trucking capacity as they need it rather than through a contract, sank by about 18% year-over-year in June. That has caused truckers like Demetrius Wilburn, a Georgia-based driver, to find themselves unemployed.

Wilburn bought his semitruck four years ago after years of working as a company truck driver. But amid rock-bottom rates, Wilburn wasn't able to make a payment one month — and his truck was repossessed.

"I was only six months away from paying it off," Wilburn told Business Insider. "I'm trying to transition back into law enforcement now — don't want to ever drive trucks again. Definitely not worth it."

Read more: The pilots who fly your Amazon packages were getting paid way below industry standards. Then they started calling in sick with little notice.

The Lexington, Kentucky-based owner-operator Chad Boblett told Business Insider that some truck drivers were seeing a "bloodbath" in just how low rates had become.

Here are the trucking companies that have gone bankrupt in 2019, and how many truckers who are now out of a job. We use
This is the s*** that Andrew Yang been talking about and no one wants to take his word for it.
 
This is the s*** that Andrew Yang been talking about and no one wants to take his word for it.


I don't think this is from Automation but shifts in trade and in the industry.

I do think some companies expectation have been shaken up. Some companies over purchased new semi-truck and now have more capacity then the freight they're getting.
 
Bernie got virtually no media attention until Trump had locked up the Republican nomination, the media had already anointed Hillary before the primary process even started and the dems were totally ignored because of what was going on with the Republicans.

That is subjective. Initially that was the case, but he seemed to get a bunch of coverage when he started to perform better than expected. His online presence was impressive though.
 
97k is a lot compared to what they are used to dealing with and what they were likely staffed for, the stat you provided before was basically talking about anyone who was stopped not asylum seekers which have a process that needs to be followed before they are allowed to enter or be sent back.

So you either didn't read the article I linked or just didn't understand it, or just are willfully ignoring it. I'll assume it's the former.

The backlog is over 877,000 cases now, and very little of it is based on people coming over the border or seeking asylum, and to the extent it is the asylum, that's because Jefferson Beauregard Sessions enacted policies making it much harder to actually process cases. The President blaming the immigration court backlog on the border would be like a renter blaming a defective AC unit on the landlord when they took the wires out and sold the compressor for meth.
 
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I don't think this is from Automation but shifts in trade and in the industry.

I do think some companies expectation have been shaken up. Some companies over purchased new semi-truck and now have more capacity then the freight they're getting.

We're in the same boat as our friends in England are with Brexit - gullible people sold that the Manufacturing job their parents had that paid well are coming back, when the economy is already overwhelmingly (i.e., greater than 80%) a services economy.
 
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