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JinCA said:
That's one thing I hated about the "I'm with her" line for HRC's campaign, we all know her gender so let's make it about the policy positions and not the identity stuff.
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its fair and its a terrible slogan for multiple reasons but if you take that out of the equation she still loses. If you give her a penis she wins. I think we all know this even if we don't want to admit it.

As far as the debates, I do think some need to go but I don't think anyone with a unique message should go
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Well at some point if your unique message is going to need supporters to make the impact. Bernie would have just been a crackpot in 2016 if he didn't have lots of support. We certainly wouldn't be talking Medicare 4 All. If Yang is still sitting at 2% in a month or two then its fair to think that that just might be his ceiling and if it is then him being in debates is no longer going to be meaningful.

If anything I do think some of the moderates need to drop out, I don't consider Booker or Harris progressives they are moderates who are trying to lure some progressives their way though I do think one of them should go.
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More progressive than Tulsi :tounge: I don't know how Harris turns it around so it's good that she isn't attacking Biden anymore. She should be trying to make herself appealing as a VP.

,I think Castro should go and I think either Delaney or Klobuchar need to go, I can see one of them staying in as a true out and proud moderate in case Biden falls which isn't that far fetched.
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Castro pretty much sunk himself last night. I can't imagine any scenario where we ever see Delaney again. Don't know how Klobuchar is still around. No real indication Biden supporters don't just go to Sanders or Warren but if they did want someone more to the right I couldn't imagine how she would get them over Pete or Beto.

I also think Mayor Pete should really consider dropping out but he has too much donor money to need to do that for a while, he's not making any gains in any polls that I've seen but wealthy donors seem to love him
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He is an Iowa long shot. Unlikely but currently the only one outside the big 3 who could take it. I assume that he is setting himself up to be Secretary Pete or Vice President Pete. Its ridiculous to me that Beto doesn't have his support instead.
 
yankeessuck said:
I assume that he is setting himself up to be Secretary Pete or Vice President Pete. Its ridiculous to me that Beto doesn't have his support instead.
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Beto ran a pretty s***ty campaign though, and if it weren't for the El Paso shooting I don't think he comes close to recovering. He's doing more in line with what I expected now, but all the more reason he should run for Senate again.
 
yankeessuck said:
its fair and its a terrible slogan for multiple reasons but if you take that out of the equation she still loses. If you give her a penis she wins. I think we all know this even if we don't want to admit it.



Well at some point if your unique message is going to need supporters to make the impact. Bernie would have just been a crackpot in 2016 if he didn't have lots of support. We certainly wouldn't be talking Medicare 4 All. If Yang is still sitting at 2% in a month or two then its fair to think that that just might be his ceiling and if it is then him being in debates is no longer going to be meaningful.



More progressive than Tulsi :tounge: I don't know how Harris turns it around so it's good that she isn't attacking Biden anymore. She should be trying to make herself appealing as a VP.



Castro pretty much sunk himself last night. I can't imagine any scenario where we ever see Delaney again. Don't know how Klobuchar is still around. No real indication Biden supporters don't just go to Sanders or Warren but if they did want someone more to the right I couldn't imagine how she would get them over Pete or Beto.



He is an Iowa long shot. Unlikely but currently the only one outside the big 3 who could take it. I assume that he is setting himself up to be Secretary Pete or Vice President Pete. Its ridiculous to me that Beto doesn't have his support instead.
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Funny thing is Harris tried a dig at Biden last night with her "yes we can" line but it was another one of her "jokes" that only she thought was funny, she laughed about it and he didn't even get it. A lot of people are saying that they think she was high or something, I'm sure they are mostly joking, personally I thought she seemed a bit tipsy.

I disagree strongly that Hillary would have won if she were a man, she lost because of who she is not what she was born. She created a ton of her own problems. I've gone into it a bunch of times before but the email thing never could have been used against her had she not tried to get away with something she knew was wrong and that's just part of it. She's a liar, Bill is a liar too but he always had the charisma to cover for it a bit and she doesn't. She found a way to lose to Donald Trump, I'm almost 100% sure had Bernie been the nominee he would have won and it's not because he's a man it's because he's authentic.
 
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JinCA said:
Funny thing is Harris tried a dig at Biden last night with her "yes we can" line but it was another one of her "jokes" that only she thought was funny, she laughed about it and he didn't even get it. A lot of people are saying that they think she was high or something, I'm sure they are mostly joking, personally I thought she seemed a bit tipsy.

I disagree strongly that Hillary would have won if she were a man, she lost because of who she is not what she was born. She created a ton of her own problems. I've gone into it a bunch of times before but the email thing never could have been used against her had she not tried to get away with something she knew was wrong and that's just part of it. She's a liar, Bill is a liar too but he always had the charisma to cover for it a bit and she doesn't. She found a way to lose to Donald Trump, I'm almost 100% sure had Bernie been the nominee he would have won and it's not because he's a man it's because he's authentic.
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It was a weird debate performance for sure

She would have won but not by much. When you consider the margin in which she lost I think you would have to be naive to think sexism just doesn't exist and played no role in how people voted. That doesn't mean everyone that didn't like her or didn't vote for her did so because she was a woman.
 
yankeessuck said:
It was a weird debate performance for sure

She would have won but not by much. When you consider the margin in which she lost I think you would have to be naive to think sexism just doesn't exist and played no role in how people voted. That doesn't mean everyone that didn't like her or didn't vote for her did so because she was a woman.
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She got the popular vote though. Did it just come down to not hitting critical states?
 
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yankeessuck said:
It was a weird debate performance for sure

She would have won but not by much. When you consider the margin in which she lost I think you would have to be naive to think sexism just doesn't exist and played no role in how people voted. That doesn't mean everyone that didn't like her or didn't vote for her did so because she was a woman.
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She won the popular vote by 3 million so the sexism angle doesn't work, she lost in states that she didn't spend enough time in, states that had been hit hard by jobs leaving and hearing her say "America is already great" while they are struggling just didn't sit well. She didn't excite anyone but hardcore feminists and rich elites, most other people were just lukewarm towards her but it wasn't because she's a woman it's because she lacks charisma and didn't connect with people. She seemed out of touch with what people struggling were going through, then they have Trump come in and say "I'll bring your jobs back" compared to her bragging "we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work" and those desperate people naively put their faith in him, unfortunately for them now many are regretting that decision.
 
JinCA said:
She won the popular vote by 3 million so the sexism angle doesn't work, she lost in states that she didn't spend enough time in, states that had been hit hard by jobs leaving and hearing her say "America is already great" while they are struggling just didn't sit well. She didn't excite anyone but hardcore feminists and rich elites, most other people were just lukewarm towards her but it wasn't because she's a woman it's because she lacks charisma and didn't connect with people. She seemed out of touch with what people struggling were going through, then they have Trump come in and say "I'll bring your jobs back" compared to her bragging "we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work" and those desperate people naively put their faith in him, unfortunately for them now many are regretting that decision.
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Sexism can exist and she can still be a bad candidate that ran a bad campaign. It doesn't have to be either/or
 
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JinCA said:
She won the popular vote by 3 million so the sexism angle doesn't work, she lost in states that she didn't spend enough time in, states that had been hit hard by jobs leaving and hearing her say "America is already great" while they are struggling just didn't sit well. She didn't excite anyone but hardcore feminists and rich elites, most other people were just lukewarm towards her but it wasn't because she's a woman it's because she lacks charisma and didn't connect with people. She seemed out of touch with what people struggling were going through, then they have Trump come in and say "I'll bring your jobs back" compared to her bragging "we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work" and those desperate people naively put their faith in him, unfortunately for them now many are regretting that decision.
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Something about her personality makes me think of D'vorah.

This one secures the hive.


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yankeessuck said:
Sexism can exist and she can still be a bad candidate that ran a bad campaign. It doesn't have to be either/or
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True but just saying she lost because she's a woman takes any and all blame for how poorly she ran her campaign off of her and puts it all on the voters, the people who's votes it was her job to earn.
 
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JinCA said:
True but just saying she lost because she's a woman takes any and all blame for how poorly she ran her campaign off of her and puts it all on the voters, the people who's votes it was her job to earn.
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Wasn't there also a weird perception of her health? Didn't she previously have a fall and bang her head? Or footage of being assisted to a car after a rally?
 
Videodrome said:
Wasn't there also a weird perception of her health? Didn't she previously have a fall and bang her head? Or footage of being assisted to a car after a rally?
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She passed out from either dehydration/exhaustion or walking pneumonia. Whereas you had trump snorting adderall and claiming he doesn’t do drugs.
 
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Wasn't there also a weird perception of her health? Didn't she previously have a fall and bang her head? Or footage of being assisted to a car after a rally?
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She passed out and hit her head while she was still secretary of state and according to her husband it took her 6 months to "get over" the concussion she sustained, then during the campaign she basically collapsed into the arms of her security detail when she was about to get into her vehicle because she was out in the heat too long while battling pneumonia. She had some bad luck but even when she was "healthy" she didn't do as many rally's as Trump and the ones she did do usually had much smaller crowds than his.
 
I just hope the people concerned about her health aren't voting for one of the candidates who will be 80
 
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Andrew Yang shows some character here, read the entire thread not just the first tweet.
 
Don't forget Hillary got pneumonia around Sept/Oct, right at the most critical point of the election. Anyone who's ever had it knows that it can knock anyone the f out, especially if you try and fight through it. I had it a couple years ago and I tried to fight through it and almost ended up in the hospital. I was basically in bed for 3+ weeks and I'm only in my 40s. It was easily 2+ months before I ever felt "well" again.

So, while Trump is out doing multiple rallies per day, she was running a very limited schedule. I still think back to that being huge factor.

Of course she got better and would have been fine as president, but instead we have a guy who intentionally sprays himself orange every morning.
 


This is so unbelievably stupid if you openly admit they are just pretending. Plus why would what Beto said prevent anything from getting done?
 
Beto's "we are coming for your ……" gun line was a stupid thing to do, yeah it got the crowd in the room riled up but he has no shot at winning and he just gave the NRA and Republicans who support them an attack ad that they'll use for years to come.
 
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JinCA said:
Beto's "we are coming for your ……" gun line was a stupid thing to do, yeah it got the crowd in the room riled up but he has no shot at winning and he just gave the NRA and Republicans who support them an attack ad that they'll use for years to come.
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He needed more than a crowd pop. He had no policy behind it. If he had policy, and phrased it differently, it would have gotten over well and be praised.
 
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Sensational comments to get a cheer but with no substance are exactly what is wrong with the Democrats and guns. I was critical of Obama for the same thing. He'd talk about Australia's gun laws and get everyone all in an uproar but there was nothing to it but words. Doesn't do anything to make the country safer and just pushes votes away in the long run.

This is the danger of having so many candidates. They have to stand out from the crowd.

Someone down the road is going to have to work hard to get those centrist votes back in the general election. Instead of seeing about healthcare, we're talking about AR15s which is just one of those line in the sand issues for many.
 
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Kerosene31 said:
Sensational comments to get a cheer but with no substance are exactly what is wrong with the Democrats and guns. I was critical of Obama for the same thing. He'd talk about Australia's gun laws and get everyone all in an uproar but there was nothing to it but words. Doesn't do anything to make the country safer and just pushes votes away in the long run.

This is the danger of having so many candidates. They have to stand out from the crowd.

Someone down the road is going to have to work hard to get those centrist votes back in the general election. Instead of seeing about healthcare, we're talking about AR15s which is just one of those line in the sand issues for many.
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They are all voting GOP anyway
 
yankeessuck said:
They are all voting GOP anyway
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The people wanting an AR15 ban are already voting for Democrats.

The population is pretty simple. 40% are left for life, 40% right wing for life. It is the 20% in the middle who decide elections.

Of course in a Democratic primary you can't ignore gun control, but you can soften the message up.

I guarantee no matter who wins the nomination will get that question in a debate.
 
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The people wanting an AR15 ban are already voting for Democrats.

The population is pretty simple. 40% are left for life, 40% right wing for life. It is the 20% in the middle who decide elections.

Of course in a Democratic primary you can't ignore gun control, but you can soften the message up.

I guarantee no matter who wins the nomination will get that question in a debate.
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2/3 of the country favors the ban ( mandatory buy back not so sure)

90% favor the background checks and even then nothing happens. The GOP does a good job of making people think its more divisive than it actually is and therefore candidates are afraid of the issue.

They should stop running from it and start doing something
 
Using the phrasing "we are coming for your guns" was idiotic, that's exactly what the right has used for decades to hurt dems in places like Pennsylvania where the rural section of the state loves their guns. Every time an election comes up the dem has to say "we aren't coming for your guns" now they have a candidate on video saying that's exactly what's going to happen. Sure he won't be the nominee so they wont' have the actual nominee saying that but it'll be used in national and local election ads to hurt not only the candidate running for the Presidency but all the way down the ballot as well. It was very selfish of Beto to do that, the a****** should be running for senate again anyway but his ego won't let him downgrade, according to him he was born to be POTUS after all.
 
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