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Nope, Hillary had to earn their votes she wasn't owed them, it's not good enough to say "vote for me because the other guy is worse" that's corruption through and through. Hillary did run an awful campaign, she never should have run for the office to begin with, she was wildly unpopular before she ran and the fact that she acted like it was owed to her was a huge turnoff. Bernie would have beaten Trump but she never talks about that, the guy got no media attention at all until Michigan and by then it was too late. Look how unpopular she was among democrats in 2016.
Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
Hillary Clinton drops to her lowest net favorable rating among Democrats since Gallup began tracking her in July. Both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump return to near their all-time lows among Republicans.
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But Stein ran with Baraka
Seriously, I mostly did it to support the Green Party more than for Stein specifically as I've supported Green before. I'm one of those Ralph Nader voters as well.
But Stein ran with Baraka
Seriously, I mostly did it to support the Green Party more than for Stein specifically as I've supported Green before. I'm one of those Ralph Nader voters as well.
I was very close to voting for her myself out of protest but I figured Hillary was going to blow it and I wanted to do my little part to at least help her win the popular vote so the world wouldn't think Trump was supported by the majority of the people. I regret that now, being that she keeps saying she won when she didn't, since she was going to blow it anyway she may as well have lost the popular vote too. I should have voted for Stein as a protest vote, the party needs to move away from people like Clinton not towards them.
Of course Hillary is right but its one of those times where you wish it was someone else was saying it because people are going to reject it because of the messenger
We have been over her running a bad campaign to death. Of course so did Bernie who also had to earn the votes and is still running the same flawed campaign 4 years later but lets not talk about such things.
Yes it wasn't enough to just be better than the other guy but its also the reality. One of them was going to win. People could stick their heads in the sand to make themselves feel better all they want.
The idea of throwing the votes to third party to support them sounds nice in theory but they aren't trying to grow the party. They just show up every four years with their hands out. Did you vote in 2018? Because I don't know about you but I don't remember seeing any green party nominees anywhere. Or any other parties for that matter. That is what you would do if you were trying to grow the party. You get in some local elections that can actually be won and then some federal elections.
Remember when Jill Stein conned frustrated people with a recount?
But at least the Libertarian party took everything serious
Nope, Hillary had to earn their votes she wasn't owed them, it's not good enough to say "vote for me because the other guy is worse" that's corruption through and through. Hillary did run an awful campaign, she never should have run for the office to begin with, she was wildly unpopular before she ran and the fact that she acted like it was owed to her was a huge turnoff. Bernie would have beaten Trump but she never talks about that, the guy got no media attention at all until Michigan and by then it was too late. Look how unpopular she was among democrats in 2016.
Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
Hillary Clinton drops to her lowest net favorable rating among Democrats since Gallup began tracking her in July. Both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump return to near their all-time lows among Republicans.
We have been over her running a bad campaign to death. Of course so did Bernie who also had to earn the votes and is still running the same flawed campaign 4 years later but lets not talk about such things.
Yes it wasn't enough to just be better than the other guy but its also the reality. One of them was going to win. People could stick their heads in the sand to make themselves feel better all they want.
The idea of throwing the votes to third party to support them sounds nice in theory but they aren't trying to grow the party. They just show up every four years with their hands out. Did you vote in 2018? Because I don't know about you but I don't remember seeing any green party nominees anywhere. Or any other parties for that matter. That is what you would do if you were trying to grow the party. You get in some local elections that can actually be won and then some federal elections.
Remember when Jill Stein conned frustrated people with a recount?
But at least the Libertarian party took everything serious
I think 3rd Parties are mostly trying to seriously grow, but it's hard as they're excluded from the political process. So now what we have are these independents hijacking the the mainstream 2 parties instead.
I don't get why we can't have more than 2 parties with a sane process of elimination. Doesn't Canada manage to have a 4 or 5 way debate?
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I don't get why we can't have more than 2 parties with a sane process of elimination. Doesn't Canada manage to have a 4 or 5 way debate?
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I don't see any reason to consider them excluded from city or even state elections though. Hard as hell to win and it would take a long time to become truly relevant but you have to walk before you can run.
Electoral college has to go if we ever get more legitimate parties though. Probably has to go for us to get more legitimate parties really.
I meant more in terms of media coverage or debate access. Although I do think in some local elections they've faced challenges just trying to get ballot access.
Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump | CNN Politics
Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich said President Donald Trump should be impeached, a major switch for a former Republican presidential candidate who had previously said there was not enough evidence to impeach the President.
Of course Hillary is right but its one of those times where you wish it was someone else was saying it because people are going to reject it because of the messenger
We have been over her running a bad campaign to death. Of course so did Bernie who also had to earn the votes and is still running the same flawed campaign 4 years later but lets not talk about such things.
Yes it wasn't enough to just be better than the other guy but its also the reality. One of them was going to win. People could stick their heads in the sand to make themselves feel better all they want.
The idea of throwing the votes to third party to support them sounds nice in theory but they aren't trying to grow the party. They just show up every four years with their hands out. Did you vote in 2018? Because I don't know about you but I don't remember seeing any green party nominees anywhere. Or any other parties for that matter. That is what you would do if you were trying to grow the party. You get in some local elections that can actually be won and then some federal elections.
Remember when Jill Stein conned frustrated people with a recount?
But at least the Libertarian party took everything serious
The reality is Hillary being in the race kept others out simply because they knew they'd never get a fair shot, Bernie ran anyway and with little to no national name recognition and hardly any free media coverage still managed to do well against her. The bottom line is that Trump wouldn't be our President now if the people who run the Democratic party hadn't decided Hillary was going to be our nominee before she even officially announced she was running. Blaming 3rd party is BS, you can't and shouldn't expect 100% of the votes the other person doesn't get, doing so is foolish.
3rd Party candiate is nothing but a spoiler when there’s an electoral college. It’s unfortunate, but it’s a reality. If it was popular vote, the story would be different, or if all states aren’t winner take all, they would be less of a spoiler.
Why do so many blame Stein for Clinton losing (among other things) but they don't ever want to factor in Libertarians who could have voted for the Republican? You can't erase one third party and not the other. There are far too many people who want to blame everyone but Clinton and the Democratic establishment for the loss and that's just wrong IMO.
Why do so many blame Stein for Clinton losing (among other things) but they don't ever want to factor in Libertarians who could have voted for the Republican? You can't erase one third party and not the other. There are far too many people who want to blame everyone but Clinton and the Democratic establishment for the loss and that's just wrong IMO.
It doesn't matter if she is to blame. She is awful.
Trump Writes Unhinged ‘Legal’ Letter Demanding That CNN Pay Him Money
Trump’s authoritarian side and his toddler side are both on display here.
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Yang and Gabbard haven’t signed the pledge to not run as a 3rd party. 
pledge.indivisible.org
http://pledge.indivisible.org/
We are Indivisible. Join us and pledge to make the primary constructive, rally behind the winner, and do the work to beat Trump.
pledge.indivisible.org
Clinton email probe finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information
A U.S. State Department investigation of Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state has found no evidence of deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees.
www.reuters.com
Yang and Gabbard haven’t signed the pledge to not run as a 3rd party.
http://pledge.indivisible.org/
We are Indivisible. Join us and pledge to make the primary constructive, rally behind the winner, and do the work to beat Trump.
I think pledges like that are kind of insulting to the low tier candidates. It's agreeing to a document that says they'll presumably lose.
Even if Gabbard ran as a 3rd party candidate which she has said several times now that she wouldn't she's not likely to do much damage. She's polling under 1% with Democrats right now. If she does run she's not likely to get on CNN or MSNBC very often, she'll end up on fox and that's just going to take attention from Trump.
Yang has also said if he's not the nominee he'd also be fine doing anything to help the person who is and would also be willing to serve in their administration if asked.
Pledges are silly anyway, it's not like it's legally binding and it also takes away any power you may have to help shape the party platform.
Yang has also said if he's not the nominee he'd also be fine doing anything to help the person who is and would also be willing to serve in their administration if asked.
Pledges are silly anyway, it's not like it's legally binding and it also takes away any power you may have to help shape the party platform.
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Cooper’s words here are just awesome.
The host of CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360°” joked that Grisham “apparently got a brief furlough from West Wing witness protection” to “check in with her supervisors over at Fox News, though it seems like she saw her shadow and is now underground for six more weeks of stonewalling.”
The host of CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360°” joked that Grisham “apparently got a brief furlough from West Wing witness protection” to “check in with her supervisors over at Fox News, though it seems like she saw her shadow and is now underground for six more weeks of stonewalling.”
Tulsi delayed her rally for an hour yesterday to go on Tucker Carlson
And missed the vote a few days condemning Trump on Syria
And missed the vote a few days condemning Trump on Syria
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