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[JinCA]

Being anti-trump is not a platform. As long as they can make it about the "racist" Trump they don't need to have a platform that actually benefits the voters. Biden, Clinton, and Klouchbar are all controlled opposition candidates. Bought and paid for plants who are only there to pull the party to the center.

There's a reason why Biden has spent his whole career caving to conservatives.

What would be the point of having Biden in there just so he can gut social security and turn over what's left to Goldman Sachs to "manage"?

Why? Because Trump is racist? He's evil? It's a spun narrative. He's doing what got him elected. He's being pragmatic. Rick Santurom tried to do the same thing, he just wasn't any good at it.

Would it make sense if Mitt Romney ran as a democrat and got the nomination? Would Bernie Supporters be expected to support him because he was going up against Trump? It's nonsense.



This is because Charles Murray wrote a book about the need for universal basic income. Suddenly Charles Murray wants to give away money now that it's the rural areas that are being starved of resources. Most of those books he wrote were about justifying harsh cuts to entitlements and educational spending.



I think that's ridiculous to say that Bernie voters "wouldn't otherwise vote". These are the people who helped vote Obama into office. Bernie's rise was mainly because of online outlets like The Young Turks and Jimmy Dore. These people were Obama's staunchest supporters up and til about 3 or 4 years ago. Saying that they are less likely to vote isn't based on anything. That's an old narrative about "hippy voters".



That's what they'll say, but the reality is that it's just them finding excuses not to do anything. It's always the democrats doing everything at a snails pace and the Republcians who seem like they have changed things drastically in that same time period. This is because people like Biden are there to cave and act as if they "did everything they could". They are all liars.

I didn't say all of Bernie Voters wouldn't otherwise vote but that is just how some of them are and he said so himself when people were blaming him for his voters supposedly not voting for Clinton. He's appeals to a lot of people who are disgusted with both parties and don't really see them as very different. He's bringing people in who otherwise just don't bother voting and that's a good thing.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Death, Taxes, r/SandersForPresident users acting a fool

They said the same thing in 2016 but they didn't mean it. They were not the reason why Hilary lost. Not by a long shot.

It was actually the BLACK VOTE that dipped. Black voter turn out dipped by 6 percentage points and Hilary's support among black male voters was 10% lower than Obama's.

You have to understand that the democrats need 96% of the black vote just to be competitive. With those dips she had no chance of winning.

And that voting block is now totally fractured. They came out for Hilary at 59% and now that support will dip down to just above asian and hispanic voter turn out at around 52%. That's down 14% from the 66% that Obama had.

That's before you factor in the real id requirements that will eliminate a lot of black and brown voters as well. Those go into effect just before the election.

So if you want Trump out you better hope impeachment works

 

[GeorgeSoros]

I didn't say all of Bernie Voters wouldn't otherwise vote but that is just how some of them are and he said so himself when people were blaming him for his voters supposedly not voting for Clinton. He's appeals to a lot of people who are disgusted with both parties and don't really see them as very different. He's bringing people in who otherwise just don't bother voting and that's a good thing.

That was Hilary trying to save face by blaming everything on Bernie and Tulsi.

No, that's not true. His base is built up from The Young Turks, Jimmy Dore, Kyle Kulinski etc. etc.. These were all people who were big Obama supporters up and til around 4 or 5 years ago. They aren't "undecided voters" or people who had no interest in voting before. This voting group is the most informed about politics. The Biden voters are the ones who are just supporting him because of his association with Obama. He uses Obama's name over and over again because low information voters eat that up.

 

[JinCA]

That was Hilary trying to save face by blaming everything on Bernie and Tulsi.

No, that's not true. His base is built up from The Young Turks, Jimmy Dore, Kyle Kulinski etc. etc.. These were all people who were big Obama supporters up and til around 4 or 5 years ago. They aren't "undecided voters" or people who had no interest in voting before. This voting group is the most informed about politics. The Biden voters are the ones who are just supporting him because of his association with Obama. He uses Obama's name over and over again because low information voters eat that up.

Just because those channels promote Bernie that doesn't mean that's where all of his support comes from, all of them combined don't have a total viewership that would come close to the number of people who voted for Sanders or who have donated to him.

 

[yankeessuck]

They said the same thing in 2016 but they didn't mean it. They were not the reason why Hilary lost. Not by a long shot.

It was actually the BLACK VOTE that dipped. Black voter turn out dipped by 6 percentage points and Hilary's support among black male voters was 10% lower than Obama's.

You have to understand that the democrats need 96% of the black vote just to be competitive. With those dips she had no chance of winning.

And that voting block is now totally fractured. They came out for Hilary at 59% and now that support will dip down to just above asian and hispanic voter turn out at around 52%. That's down 14% from the 66% that Obama had.

That's before you factor in the real id requirements that will eliminate a lot of black and brown voters as well. Those go into effect just before the election.
So if you want Trump out you better hope impeachment works

Based on that logic Democrats will never win the White House ever again if we are to believe they have hit a percent of black voters that only one person has ever done.

 

[JinCA]

These people freaking out about Joe Rogan saying he's probably going to vote for Bernie are part of the reason we have Trump. They want Bernie to reject Rogan's sort of "endorsement" lol. Rogan wasn't giving anyone an official endorsement he was just asked who he would vote for and he said Bernie and gave his reasons. Regardless we have these crazy a******s who call Rogan Transphobic because he doesn't think trans women who were physically born men should be able to compete in sports with women who were born female, I don't know when common sense became a phobia but it seems to have with that crowd. They also don't like that he has people on his podcast that they deem unacceptable, it's like they don't understand it's his show and he can talk to anyone he wants lol.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Just because those channels promote Bernie that doesn't mean that's where all of his support comes from, all of them combined don't have a total viewership that would come close to the number of people who voted for Sanders or who have donated to him.

First it started with fair coverage that he wasn't getting from mainstream media outlets like MSNBC. Then it spread out to many different alternative platforms. In the early days if you heard something good about Bernie it probably came from alternative media.

Based on that logic Democrats will never win the White House ever again if we are to believe they have hit a percent of black voters that only one person has ever done.

Actually, Obama won with only 93% of the black vote. That was my mistake. She got 91% of the black vote. (Gore got 90% of the black vote. Kerry got 88%. ) So it wasn't that big of a difference in terms of percentage of voters.

The biggest difference was that the black voter turn out dipped from 65% to 59% in 2016.

But, they still need to squeeze votes out of black voters that just won't be there in 2020.

Hilary sort of admonished black voters for "not coming out for her" partly because she knew that people falsely believe that blacks don't vote at high rates which is not true. With more obstacles to get to the polls and less time to vote they managed to vote at higher rates than the national average, much higher than the Asian and hispanic turn out.

But I think those days are over. I expect the black voter turn out to be on par with Hispanics and Asians in the next election because of all these "don't vote" movements I'm seeing online.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

These people freaking out about Joe Rogan saying he's probably going to vote for Bernie are part of the reason we have Trump. They want Bernie to reject Rogan's sort of "endorsement" lol. Rogan wasn't giving anyone an official endorsement he was just asked who he would vote for and he said Bernie and gave his reasons. Regardless we have these crazy a******s who call Rogan Transphobic because he doesn't think trans women who were physically born men should be able to compete in sports with women who were born female, I don't know when common sense became a phobia but it seems to have with that crowd. They also don't like that he has people on his podcast that they deem unacceptable, it's like they don't understand it's his show and he can talk to anyone he wants lol.

Yeah, the trans issues really took off when they started promoting the idea of intersectionality. Most of the time when you looked at tv 10 years ago social issues were pretty much dominated by race. And so what they decided to do is just mix all of them up, have people get up and interweave issues of racism with transphobia, homophobia, sexism, etc. etc.. They started to encourage people like Michael Eric Dyson and Cornell West to call themselves trans activists and conflate issues of racism with transphobia to give trans issues more air time.

That's why you see Michael Eric Dyson telling Jordan Peterson to "come to his black church" to explain his views when the topic of the debate didn't really touch on race related issues at all. He's implying that Peterson is racist for misgendering people.

And of course they did it because they are just race hustlers at the end of the day. Michael Eric Dyson is happy to sell is services to the highest bidder.

 

[yankeessuck]

These people freaking out about Joe Rogan saying he's probably going to vote for Bernie are part of the reason we have Trump. They want Bernie to reject Rogan's sort of "endorsement" lol. Rogan wasn't giving anyone an official endorsement he was just asked who he would vote for and he said Bernie and gave his reasons. Regardless we have these crazy a******s who call Rogan Transphobic because he doesn't think trans women who were physically born men should be able to compete in sports with women who were born female, I don't know when common sense became a phobia but it seems to have with that crowd. They also don't like that he has people on his podcast that they deem unacceptable, it's like they don't understand it's his show and he can talk to anyone he wants lol.

Well I thought it was kind of desperate that they made an ad promoting him endorsing when he only said he was probably going to vote for Bernie.

I don't have any feelings either way towards Rogan but its surprising to me that they would want to advertise the "endorsement" just because you have to address any comment or questionable joke he has ever made. You know people that want to hurt Bernie will push the Rogan video of him calling a black theater Planet of the Apes.

Actually, Obama won with only 93% of the black vote. That was my mistake. She got 91% of the black vote. (Gore got 90% of the black vote. Kerry got 88%. ) So it wasn't that big of a difference in terms of percentage of voters.

The biggest difference was that the black voter turn out dipped from 65% to 59% in 2016.

But, they still need to squeeze votes out of black voters that just won't be there in 2020.

But I think those days are over. I expect the black voter turn out to be on par with Hispanics and Asians in the next election because of all these "don't vote" movements I'm seeing online.

But I think it was impossible for it not to dip. Black turnout had a spike because it was Obama. Obviously you would like the numbers to stay high but I don't think you can pin it all on that when Hillary got less of the white vote than Obama did.

 

[Kerosene31]

Let us know when you get your next set of talking points from 8chan.

 

[Kerosene31]

These people freaking out about Joe Rogan saying he's probably going to vote for Bernie are part of the reason we have Trump. They want Bernie to reject Rogan's sort of "endorsement" lol. Rogan wasn't giving anyone an official endorsement he was just asked who he would vote for and he said Bernie and gave his reasons. Regardless we have these crazy a******s who call Rogan Transphobic because he doesn't think trans women who were physically born men should be able to compete in sports with women who were born female, I don't know when common sense became a phobia but it seems to have with that crowd. They also don't like that he has people on his podcast that they deem unacceptable, it's like they don't understand it's his show and he can talk to anyone he wants lol.

This is what Trump has done - he's taken what was already a very polarized system and driven a bigger wedge through it. I used to always be preaching a "reach across the aisle" kind of person. I've been registered non-party since I was 18.

Trump operates in a world of 2 sides, and he's pushed the other side into being contrarian. Trump supporters say that we never say anything positive about him, but how would we? Trump has been attacking everyone who isn't 100% with him since the day he started running. Suddenly the rest of us are pushed into this anti-Trump side that isn't really a side.

How can we take anyone who repeated any of this alt right nonsense seriously? Saying "kids in cages is a little too far" isn't good enough. I've spent time in alt right forums long before Trump, and this alt right has been building for a long time. The alt right pushes party loyalty over facts. How can we have a reasonable conversation with anyone who ever puts party loyalty over the facts?

We stopped arguing about politics 10+ years ago.

The thing that many Democrats or non-Trumpers don't realize is that the alt right is fighting a culture war and have been fighting a culture war. The Democrats lose because they think they can still win these people over. They don't realize that the other side has already poisoned people to hate you.

 

[JinCA]

Well I thought it was kind of desperate that they made an ad promoting him endorsing when he only said he was probably going to vote for Bernie.

I don't have any feelings either way towards Rogan but its surprising to me that they would want to advertise the "endorsement" just because you have to address any comment or questionable joke he has ever made. You know people that want to hurt Bernie will push the Rogan video of him calling a black theater Planet of the Apes.



But I think it was impossible for it not to dip. Black turnout had a spike because it was Obama. Obviously you would like the numbers to stay high but I don't think you can pin it all on that when Hillary got less of the white vote than Obama did.

The ad is a clip of Rogan saying he'll probably vote for Bernie and giving his reasons why so I don't see how it's desperate, they aren't putting words in his mouth and Rogan does have a HUGE audience so taking advantage of that seems like a no brainer. He's also a comedian who has said some controversial things in the past but I can't think of a single comedian who hasn't. People playing that card and trying to make Bernie sound racist by extension are dishonest actors, they've only met one time and that's when Rogan became a fan, they aren't friends or buddies but Bernie was so authentic that he changed Rogan's perception of him.

 

[Kerosene31]

I don't follow Rogan hardly at all, but his suddenly "discovering" Bernie is suspect. This is a guy who ran a big campaign 3 years ago, and who has been a big voice in the party prior to that. I mean, Bernie has been the same guy for a long time now.

It shows though - the Democrats need to talk economics to the middle class. Trump did it. The Democrats don't always do that. That's why people gravitate to Bernie and Yang.

 

[JinCA]

I don't follow Rogan hardly at all, but his suddenly "discovering" Bernie is suspect. This is a guy who ran a big campaign 3 years ago, and who has been a big voice in the party prior to that. I mean, Bernie has been the same guy for a long time now.

It shows though - the Democrats need to talk economics to the middle class. Trump did it. The Democrats don't always do that. That's why people gravitate to Bernie and Yang.

He doesn't follow politics very closely so it's not hard to believe that he didn't pay close attention to a guy who was virtually ignored for most of his primary against Hillary Clinton. He knew of him but thought he was just some cranky old man who wanted to give everything away.

 

[JinCA]

 

[DarkPassenger]

Can you imagine Baron Trump or grand kids running up on stage to hug Trump during a rally? I can't.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

But I think it was impossible for it not to dip. Black turnout had a spike because it was Obama. Obviously you would like the numbers to stay high but I don't think you can pin it all on that when Hillary got less of the white vote than Obama did.

I think she was banking on the black vote and felt entitled to it. That's why she felt comfortable specifically calling out black people for not coming out for her. But, you can really see it in how establishment democrats act. Hilary didn't feel the need to appeal to democrats at all. Like Biden, she wanted to move to the center and she thought that the black vote would give her a cushion while she appealed to moderate conservatives. She was lucky to get 91% of the black vote. Bill Clinton never received more than 84% of the black vote.

 

[Videodrome]

He doesn't follow politics very closely

unless it involves weed

 

[Nervusbreakdown]

 

[Plainview]

gabbard?

 

[Videodrome]

gabbard?

but will she go or boycott ?

 

[Plainview]

 

[hrudey]

 

[JinCA]

Why does she have to keep coming back, PLEASE HILLARY GO AWAY!!!

 

[Videodrome]

She's like Palpatine. She keeps coming back.

Except she's going to be like Prequel Palpatine for now if she's not jumping in the race directly. Flexing her public image and influence to nudge and affect the Primary and Media. I wonder how deep a grudge she has with Sanders is and if she'll try political mudslinging as a bystander directly or indirectly.

I wonder if she might have decided to pursue the Vice Presidency under someone like Biden or maybe Bloomberg? Maybe even shove money at Biden's campaign if he shows enough traction to beat Bernie? That would give her 2 victories getting in the White House and getting revenge.

That's ridiculously speculative, but she keeps waving for attention on the side and it's just weird.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

I think Trump will wait to make the deep social security cuts until after the election. He can't spin those kind of cuts, his base will freak out then.

 

[hrudey]

 

[yankeessuck]

but will she go or boycott ?

She probably won't make it. She got 2 qualifying polls in one day which is impressive but she still needs two more and there probably won't be that many New Hampshire polls left. Only state that doesn't know she sucks.

Why does she have to keep coming back, PLEASE HILLARY GO AWAY!!!

The first one isn't a lie just misleading as Obama wasn't on the Michigan ballot

She's like Palpatine. She keeps coming back.

Except she's going to be like Prequel Palpatine for now if she's not jumping in the race directly. Flexing her public image and influence to nudge and affect the Primary and Media. I wonder how deep a grudge she has with Sanders is and if she'll try political mudslinging as a bystander directly or indirectly.

I wonder if she might have decided to pursue the Vice Presidency under someone like Biden or maybe Bloomberg? Maybe even shove money at Biden's campaign if he shows enough traction to beat Bernie? That would give her 2 victories getting in the White House and getting revenge.

That's ridiculously speculative, but she keeps waving for attention on the side and it's just weird.

There would be less 0 percent of her being anyones VP.

The Sanders comment was bad but this is absolutely nothing. This is just people flexing their Hillary hate boners.

 

[JinCA]

She probably won't make it. She got 2 qualifying polls in one day which is impressive but she still needs two more and there probably won't be that many New Hampshire polls left. Only state that doesn't know she sucks.



The first one isn't a lie just misleading as Obama wasn't on the Michigan ballot



There would be less 0 percent of her being anyones VP.

The Sanders comment was bad but this is absolutely nothing. This is just people flexing their Hillary hate boners.

How much more attention does she need? why is she always coming up out of her hole and trying to make everything about her? She lost to Trump and that shame alone should keep her from trying to gain any spotlight during this election season IMO.

 

[Kerosene31]

To be fair, Hillary's out on a speaking tour trying to sell books. People have to take cell phone videos of her and put it on the internet, and then accuse her of looking for attention. Granted she's speaking in public so it is fair game, but it also isn't like she's going on CNN every day weighing in on the election. If she really wanted a big stage, she could certainly get it. Her interview on Stern was great, and she barely talked politics.