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Warren needs to drop out, she isn't going to take this and but she's just popular enough to do damage to someone who could win. She's not polling any better than 3rd in any of the states coming up and she probably wouldn't win any state other than the one she represents. She's not going to win the more progressive voters because Bernie has that locked up and she's not going to beat the moderates who already have several choices, she has no real lane.
 

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Warren needs to drop out, she isn't going to take this and but she's just popular enough to do damage to someone who could win. She's not polling any better than 3rd in any of the states coming up and she probably wouldn't win any state other than the one she represents. She's not going to win the more progressive voters because Bernie has that locked up and she's not going to beat the moderates who already have several choices, she has no real lane.
Well she is second in the most recent California poll with only the two of them viable but I have to assume Klob will eat into her support now

I have seen it suggested that it could be better for Bernie if she stays in because if a brokered convention happens she is really the only other person he would really want to see with delegates.

I could buy that especially since whatever support she has lost in the first two states don't really seem to have gone to Bernie.
 

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Well she is second in the most recent California poll with only the two of them viable but I have to assume Klob will eat into her support now

I have seen it suggested that it could be better for Bernie if she stays in because if a brokered convention happens she is really the only other person he would really want to see with delegates.

I could buy that especially since whatever support she has lost in the first two states don't really seem to have gone to Bernie.
I have a feeling that a good chunk of her supporters would go to Bernie and a chunk to Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Bernie would get the more policy driven progressives while the other two would get the people who voted based on identity stuff.

The most recent CA polling has her 14 points behind Bernie, yeah she's in 2nd but it's a distant second.

Yeah I get that about a brokered convention but my HOPE is that it doesn't come to that, if that happens I don't see the party coming together enough to beat Trump in November.
 

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Video clip of Yang announcing the end of the campaign, he really does seem like a guy who just cared and wanted to fix things he saw as broken.
 
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I have a feeling that a good chunk of her supporters would go to Bernie and a chunk to Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Bernie would get the more policy driven progressives while the other two would get the people who voted based on identity stuff.

The most recent CA polling has her 14 points behind Bernie, yeah she's in 2nd but it's a distant second.

Yeah I get that about a brokered convention but my HOPE is that it doesn't come to that, if that happens I don't see the party coming together enough to beat Trump in November.
My point about California was if hypothetically they were the only two that were viable they would both get a lot of delegates and that would be a great night for Bernie.

The best case is it quickly gets down to Bernie vs whoever but we know Klob, Pete, Biden, and Bloomberg are going to be there on Super Tuesday. If she makes it harder for them to get viable in some of those states that is a good thing. Even if she drops out I don't think we are going to see him get 35-40% vs this many other candidates. At some point we do have to question how much of his 2016 support was because he wasn't Hillary. Last night just makes you wonder that more.

She should drop out after Nevada to avoid an embarrassing Super Tuesday

It's amazing how, no matter how many concrete plans Warren has, people reduce her campaign to "I'm a woman", and usually *they* are the ones complaining about identity politics.
Yeah maybe its a funny tweet but Bernie supporters like that continue to do him no favors by being complete tools. She hasn't campaigned well but in terms of policy you can't claim someone has had more concrete plans.
 
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It's amazing how, no matter how many concrete plans Warren has, people reduce her campaign to "I'm a woman", and usually *they* are the ones complaining about identity politics.
It's because every time she speaks she brings up that she's a woman as if we don't have eyes of our own, hell she couldn't even say she supported gay marriage without putting down men. She's playing the identity politics card and it has killed her campaign.

She's a smart woman with a lot of good ideas and some silly ones (wanting a trans teen to interview and approve the secretary of education is just pandering idiocy and should be disqualifying) she also has issues with telling the truth although she's not any worse than a standard politician she does try to come across as holier-than-thou and it's a bit much for someone who lied about her ethnic heritage and continues to lie about being fired from a job she left voluntarily.

She still keeps saying her wealth tax is 2 cents when it goes up to six cents for people making a billion or more a year. I'm fine with taxing them more but be honest about it, also there is no way that's going to pay for everything she's promising so either that wealth tax will go up more or the middle class will have to start paying more because she's promising the moon. Yes Bernie promises a lot too but he also admits people may pay more in taxes but they'll see that offset by not having any out of pocket healthcare costs.
 
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My point about California was if hypothetically they were the only two that were viable they would both get a lot of delegates and that would be a great night for Bernie.

The best case is it quickly gets down to Bernie vs whoever but we know Klob, Pete, Biden, and Bloomberg are going to be there on Super Tuesday. If she makes it harder for them to get viable in some of those states that is a good thing. Even if she drops out I don't think we are going to see him get 35-40% vs this many other candidates. At some point we do have to question how much of his 2016 support was because he wasn't Hillary. Last night just makes you wonder that more.

She should drop out after Nevada to avoid an embarrassing Super Tuesday



Yeah maybe its a funny tweet but Bernie supporters like that continue to do him no favors by being complete tools. She hasn't campaigned well but in terms of policy you can't claim someone has had more concrete plans.
Don't tell me you are falling for that "he lost support" media narrative, there were 9 other people on the ballot last night while in 2016 it was just him vs Hillary so of course he was going to lose support, you can't expect anyone to get a super majority with that many candidates.
 

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Don't tell me you are falling for that "he lost support" media narrative, there were 9 other people on the ballot last night while in 2016 it was just him vs Hillary so of course he was going to lose support, you can't expect anyone to get a super majority with that many candidates.
I wouldn't call it losing support but he obviously he did benefit from being Not Hillary.

I would have liked to see him do better in the state just based off two of the top three falling off a cliff and turnout being good. Keep in mind that he is supposedly going to win in the fall and get the things done as President because there will be a "revolution".

I still think he is the favorite and I'm on board with it needing to be him that wins. I just want some peace of mind about him doing so.
 
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That's interesting. According to that, Bernie doesn't bring in non voters. Granted seeing as he already ran he already probably pulled a bunch in.
 

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It's because every time she speaks she brings up that she's a woman as if we don't have eyes of our own.
And yet, here's the top words used in the last debatr


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I don't see the first two. I think you are hearing what you don't want to hear and focusing only on that.
 
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And yet, here's the top words used in the last debatr


The one before:


December:



Also;


Debate five


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I don't see the first two. I think you are hearing what you don't want to hear and focusing only on that.
Seriously? It doesn't have to be one of her most used words in a debate lol, we all know she's a woman she doesn't need to keep pointing it out, just because it wasn't one of the top words she used in a debate doesn't mean she doesn't bring it up every time she makes a speech or participates in a debate and you know that.

Here are two just off the top of my head, her stupid line about "the women on stage are the only ones who haven't lost" or her lie about she and Klobuchar not taking PAC money even though she has a group doing basically the same thing it's just not called a PAC, she's misleading people just like she is about her plans to pay for healthcare. She has all of these supposed great ideas but she keeps saying she can pay for all of them out of the same pot and it won't work like that and she knows it.
 
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Seriously? It doesn't have to be one of her most used words in a debate lol, we all know she's a woman she doesn't need to keep pointing it out, just because it wasn't one of the top words she used in a debate doesn't mean she doesn't bring it up every time she makes a speech or participates in a debate and you know that.

Here are two just off the top of my head, her stupid line about "the women on stage are the only ones who haven't lost" or her lie about she and Klobuchar not taking PAC money even though she has a group doing basically the same thing it's just not called a PAC, she's misleading people just like she is about her plans to pay for healthcare. She has all of these supposed great ideas but she keeps saying she can pay for all of them out of the same pot and it won't work like that and she knows it.
I don't see any problem with saying the women haven't lost. We both know some voters are nervous about whether they would have a harder time because they are women. It doesn't matter if its true or not.

Nobody cares that Bernie can't pay for his plan and won't even pass most of them so complaining about stuff like that is holder her to a higher standard.
 
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The "honest" answer will be that the new preisdent maybe can get chunks of ACA put back together, if (and that's a big if) Democrats win big in congress and if those Democrats don't fold like they almost did last time. Nobody wins with that kind of message though. If the Democrats don't win big in the senate, nothing is going to get passed, just like nothing gets by them now.
 

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Seriously? It doesn't have to be one of her most used words in a debate lol, we all know she's a woman she doesn't need to keep pointing it out, just because it wasn't one of the top words she used in a debate doesn't mean she doesn't bring it up every time she makes a speech or participates in a debate and you know that.

Here are two just off the top of my head, her stupid line about "the women on stage are the only ones who haven't lost" or her lie about she and Klobuchar not taking PAC money even though she has a group doing basically the same thing it's just not called a PAC, she's misleading people just like she is about her plans to pay for healthcare. She has all of these supposed great ideas but she keeps saying she can pay for all of them out of the same pot and it won't work like that and she knows it.
The one that sticks out to me was her campaign saying that Bernie said that a woman couldn't be president. I think everyone felt that was either untrue or simply purposely given out of context to put him the worst light possible.
 
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The one that sticks out to me was her campaign saying that Bernie said that a woman couldn't be president. I think everyone felt that was either untrue or simply purposely given out of context to put him the worst light possible.
I don't think he said it and I assume it was a misunderstanding. Her campaign didn't release that though. She told journalists about it off the record after it happened.


Not long after meeting with Sanders at the end of 2018 to discuss her impending presidential run, Warren hosted an off-the-record dinner with a number of journalists, according to sources with knowledge of it. At the dinner, Warren was asked about her meeting with Sanders, and in the course of the discussion, she relayed that Sanders had warned that he didn’t believe a woman could beat Trump in 2020. Different reporters recalled the comments differently, a mirror image of the dispute between Warren and Sanders over exactly what Sanders said — with Warren saying that Sanders argued a woman couldn’t beat Trump, while Sanders said that he only said Trump would weaponize misogyny against a woman, not that it would work.
 

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I don't think he said it and I assume it was a misunderstanding. Her campaign didn't release that though. She told journalists about it off the record after it happened.

You're correct that is how it first came out. It's more that she doubled down and definitely didn't go out of her way to clarify with any specific context.
 

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You're correct that is how it first came out. It's more that she doubled down and definitely didn't go out of her way to clarify with any specific context.
Well its not much of a double down considering how fast it went away. It doesn't seem like a stretch to say she likely believed he said it and wasn't actually trying to use it in nefarious ways.

But unfortunately for many once you cross Bernie in any way you belong in a dumpster.
 

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Seriously? It doesn't have to be one of her most used words in a debate lol, we all know she's a woman she doesn't need to keep pointing it out, just because it wasn't one of the top words she used in a debate doesn't mean she doesn't bring it up every time she makes a speech or participates in a debate and you know that.
She may say it a time or two, but she says other stuff a lot more. You always seem to focus on some small thing to justify your preference and then assume that's the only thing. It's regrettable, but a pattern in every conversation we've had here.

Perspectives? Data? Hmff. A Jedi craves not these things.
 

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I don't see any problem with saying the women haven't lost. We both know some voters are nervous about whether they would have a harder time because they are women. It doesn't matter if its true or not.

Nobody cares that Bernie can't pay for his plan and won't even pass most of them so complaining about stuff like that is holder her to a higher standard.
No, Bernie is honest and says taxes will go up, she avoided answering how she would pay for her healthcare plan like the plague until she figured out adding a few more cents on the wealth tax that was already paying for everything else would cover it.