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and Gary Johnson got mercilessly sh;t on for not knowing specifically what Aleppo was.

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Deservedly
 


I assume stories like this exist to scare people from Bernie but its still kind of effective on me
 


I assume stories like this exist to scare people from Bernie but its still kind of effective on me


I doubt it'd be her but I know you've voiced your concern about her before so that article is directed at people like you for sure. I still think he'll go for Warren.
 
I'm fairly worried about Bloomberg, I hope these videos of him coming out and saying things about minorities sink in quickly but sadly he has the money to last and I'm worried about him collecting delegates and causing chaos at the convention. If Bernie is the one at the top and doesn't end up the nominee Trump gets a second term, no way the party recovers from that.
 
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I'm fairly worried about Bloomberg, I hope these videos of him coming out and saying things about minorities sink in quickly but sadly he has the money to last and I'm worried about him collecting delegates and causing chaos at the convention. If Bernie is the one at the top and doesn't end up the nominee Trump gets a second term, no way the party recovers from that.

Him winning at the convention could only be from him buying it so its a pretty disastrous prospect. Hopefully he gets a qualifying poll tomorrow so he makes the debate. The candidates are certainly all ready to hit him.

A contested convention probably can't be anything other than a nightmare unless it sees Bernie team up with Warren, Pete, or Klob and end it quickly.
 
I'm fairly worried about Bloomberg, I hope these videos of him coming out and saying things about minorities sink in quickly but sadly he has the money to last and I'm worried about him collecting delegates and causing chaos at the convention. If Bernie is the one at the top and doesn't end up the nominee Trump gets a second term, no way the party recovers from that.


and they keep using faulty apps for caucuses
 
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I would think that stop and frisk is a non-starter for Bloomberg over the long term. I'm all for candidates being able to move forward from the past (it is comical people bringing up stuff Biden said in the 1970s), but this is a big one. It should not have been hard to see that a policy like that was going to be misused.
 
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I'm fairly worried about Bloomberg, I hope these videos of him coming out and saying things about minorities sink in quickly but sadly he has the money to last and I'm worried about him collecting delegates and causing chaos at the convention. If Bernie is the one at the top and doesn't end up the nominee Trump gets a second term, no way the party recovers from that.

Trump will win if Bernie is the candidate. Center or moderate dems won't turn out.
 
Trump will win if Bernie is the candidate. Center or moderate dems won't turn out.

And Bernie supporters won't turn out if the nomination is snatched away at the convention and they won't if Bloomberg wins either.

The conversation of who would be better vs Trump will quickly become irrelevant if no other campaign has the support to get the win. Does Biden really have a good shot at beating Trump if he can't get anyone to vote for him now?
 
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And Bernie supporters won't turn out if the nomination is snatched away at the convention and they won't if Bloomberg wins either.

The conversation of who would be better vs Trump will quickly become irrelevant if no other campaign has the support to get the win. Does Biden really have a good shot at beating Trump if he can't get anyone to vote for him now?

I think the far left hates trump so much they will turn out no matter the candidate. It's the moderates and independents you have to win over. Sanders is not the person that gets that done but I also thought the same thing about Trump. Republicans vote party lines......dems not so much. I am a Democrat but not as far left as Sanders. Sanders running mate would have to be more moderate or he wouldn't stand a chance in purple states.
 
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Trump will win if Bernie is the candidate. Center or moderate dems won't turn out.

I don't believe that to be true, they want Trump gone and turning out is the only way to do it but you still need a candidate that's going to bring in new people and actually cause some excitement among part of the electorate and Bernie is really the only one that can do that. Biden's support is soft, Bloomberg hopefully will be viewed as the slime he is, Warren has run a terrible campaign and Buttigieg and Klobuchar don't have the charisma, ideas or support to be taken seriously right now. We'll see what happens when the centrists start dropping out, if they are really worried about Bernie than two of them should drop out now and let the centrist voters join into one group. I don't know if this is still true because Biden has lost a lot of support and some of these people may have already jumped ship but several polls have been released in the past showing most of Joe Biden's voters 2nd choice was Bernie Sanders, I know it doesn't make sense but it's true, Warren voters 2nd choice was mostly Biden.
 
I think the far left hates trump so much they will turn out no matter the candidate. It's the moderates and independents you have to win over. Sanders is not the person that gets that done but I also thought the same thing about Trump. Republicans vote party lines......dems not so much. I am a Democrat but not as far left as Sanders. Sanders running mate would have to be more moderate or he wouldn't stand a chance in purple states.

Sanders does better than Trump in polls with independents.

 
Just remember, the right has not made one attack towards Bernie yet. Just wait until they unleash a massive fear mongering campaign about how Bernie's ideas will cost trillions. The right and Fox attack Bernie and Bloomberg, but they don't touch Bernie. They likely don't because they don't fear him.

Just wait until they start filling people's heads with lies about the "horrors" of Medicare for All.
 
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I think the far left hates trump so much they will turn out no matter the candidate. It's the moderates and independents you have to win over. Sanders is not the person that gets that done but I also thought the same thing about Trump. Republicans vote party lines......dems not so much. I am a Democrat but not as far left as Sanders. Sanders running mate would have to be more moderate or he wouldn't stand a chance in purple states.

I really really doubt Bloomberg is going to win but I don't think for a second that Bernie supporters would turn out more for Bloomberg than they did for Hillary. They can't because he is so much worse. You couldn't even trust he would push any kind of Democratic agenda and so much of what you could hate about Trump applies to Bloomberg.

I don't put much stock in general election polls at this point and I would still worry greatly about Bernie who really should have been more pragmatic about policies that won't even pass anyway plus his wife will be under investigation but we could be a couple weeks away from it having to be Bernie simply because there isn't anyone else it could be. A case could be made for other candidates being better vs Trump but they won't be if they win it through a convention which will be the equivalent of animals flinging poo at each other.

Plus I have to believe the winner knows how to run a decent campaign and right now only Bernie and Pete are doing it and Pete has negative black people supporting him.
 
What scares me is that for Bernie to win he has to get a ton of the young and other non-voters out. Historically that hasn't happened. Could it? Sure. As it stands now though, roughly the same people vote each year. People sort of have this misconception that 2016 was different for some reason, but it really wasn't from a turnout standpoint. Have enough people's eyes opened up to what Trump is now? Hopefully, but his approval has actually gone up lately.
 
Almost all had Clinton winning before election night.

Bernie will win all of the states any other dem would win, it's the ones Clinton lost and should have won last time that we have to be the most mindful of. Bernie beat Hillary in both Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016 and he is more popular now except with the pundit class who all make their money from the establishment wing of the party.
 
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Almost all had Clinton winning before election night.

538 had the average at 3.9 and she won by 2.1

You shouldn't put much emphasis on one poll and they all should be taken with a grain of salt but its a misconception that the polls were way off.

2018 polls were pretty good
 
538 had the average at 3.9 and she won by 2.1

You shouldn't put much emphasis on one poll and they all should be taken with a grain of salt but its a misconception that the polls were way off.

2018 polls were pretty good
They got closer the days before. Weeks out the margin was large. What happened about 10 days before the elections....?
 
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