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yankeessuck said:
If that is what you want the campaign to be then you probably want it to be Bernie
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Well, yes and no. Bernie talks economics which is good. Too many Democrats don't hit it enough (Hillary in 2016). I just think his message is too strong.

There was a WaPo article a few months back (still trying to find it) where it isn't so much that people disagree with Democrats politically, it is more they don't think their policies can work.

While not everyone is going to fall for the right's fear tactics, others will see Bernie as unrealistic. Honestly I agree with that too.
 
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I've been going to a phonebanking for Bernie event every Thursday this past month. The stories I hear from people how their medical bills are crushing their family's way of life is heartbreaking. I'd urge everyone to volunteer if you can, no matter what candidate you do it for. It's really eye opening to hear from people outside your bubble and help teach them on the issues our country face and what we can do about it.
 
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Yikes. This administration is probably not going to take coronavirus seriously until its a real problem.

https://gizmodo.com/trump-regime-overruled-cdc-flew-coronavirus-infected-a-1841826671


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The U.S. State Department overruled the advice of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), choosing to bring 14 Americans who were infected with the new coronavirus back from Japan, according to the Washington Post. The new report raises serious questions about the U.S. government’s decisions at a time when the coronavirus, which causes an illness called Covid-19, threatens to become a global pandemic.
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You guys are wasting so much time!

You are alive right now, but Trump will win the next election, there is no doubt.

No one wants Sanders to even be the candidate that loses to him, because all the rich people make so much money from the s*** health care system you have, and the pharmaceutical companies, they make so much money from America that they essentially do the research for the rest of the world on your dime.

It's f***ed up but that's the way it is.

I'd LOVE to see Bernie get a chance and hope he can squeeze in there, but Trump will win again which is mind blowing, but that's the way it is.
 
This was Cooper at his best. An awesome watch.
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Anderson Cooper challenges Blagojevich claims in heated interview

Former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich on Friday declared himself a "political prisoner" in a contentious interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper over the substantial evidence prosecutors used to convict him on a host of public corruption charges.
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Lucid Rifter said:
I've been going to a phonebanking for Bernie event every Thursday this past month. The stories I hear from people how their medical bills are crushing their family's way of life is heartbreaking. I'd urge everyone to volunteer if you can, no matter what candidate you do it for. It's really eye opening to hear from people outside your bubble and help teach them on the issues our country face and what we can do about it.
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Good for you!

It is horrible, and even for people who don't care about anyone in a different position - the whole system drags down everyone.

What do people think happens when all these medical bills go unpaid? The doctors and hospitals get their costs back from everyone else.

Part of the reason for the high costs is all the uninsured people. The right loves to play the "you'll pay for someone else's insurance and it will cost more!", but we're already in that situation and have been for a long time. You can be a bad person and ignore the needs of others, but even from an economic sense, the current system is a massive failure.
 
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Tulsi Gabbard currently has less votes than Andrew Yang and Uncommitted

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This kind of seems like Biden is trying to one up Bernie who actually was arrested protesting. I really think Biden is one of those guys who always has to be lie to try to make himself like a big man and it's stupid.

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Joe Biden Says He Was Arrested In South Africa Decades Ago

But the presidential candidate doesn't seem to have publicly mentioned the incident before this month, The New York Times reports.
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The arguments I keep hearing conflating social democracy with communism still go on and on and I hear from people how terrible Bernie is.

At this point, I really hope Bernie wins and succeeds putting the last few decades of economic policy to shame.


It's also amazing how people are cool with subsidies but upset over health care; even in the face of the Corona Virus threat. I mean we spend on Defense well..... maybe collective protection from spreading disease is just as worthwhile?
 
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Hope Bernie gets the VP pick right. Will he be willing to pick someone that isn't currently behind his ideas if that gets the win?
 
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All I can say is that if people are going to vote for Bernie in the primary, we need to get out and make sure young people are registered to vote and encouraged to do so.

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Plainview said:
I am ALLLLLL for this as long as it beats the orange fat f***.
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I have no doubt Bernie can beat the Orangutan. The challenge is that he's going to have a battle on multiple fronts with the mainstream media likely to use republican talking points when discussing Bernie's polices. Medicare for all isn't going to lose you your doctor but the media allows people to be mislead that it will and times like this when they should correct with facts but they don't.
 
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Kerosene31 said:
All I can say is that if people are going to vote for Bernie in the primary, we need to get out and make sure young people are registered to vote and encouraged to do so.

www.headcount.org

Register to vote easily online with HeadCount!

It's easy to register to vote, update your party affiliation, or change your address with HeadCount's simple online form.
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Yep and it's young peoples future that is truly at steak here. Hopefully they do vote since they will be the ones to live with most of the consequences if they don't.
 
I found that WaPo article, an opinion piece on why people don't think the ideas of the Democrats can work in the real world. It is an interesting read and not very long. It is sort of hard to imagine why everyday middle-lower class folks in traditionally blue areas suddenly voted for Trump. This helps explain a little more of it and I think explains my biggest problem with Bernie - it isn't that people don't like his politics, it is that they don't think they will work.

 
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I found that WaPo article, an opinion piece on why people don't think the ideas of the Democrats can work in the real world. It is an interesting read and not very long. It is sort of hard to imagine why everyday middle-lower class folks in traditionally blue areas suddenly voted for Trump. This helps explain a little more of it and I think explains my biggest problem with Bernie - it isn't that people don't like his politics, it is that they don't think they will work.

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It doesn't really explain much because even if you take "we are going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" off the table for whatever reason its still hard to see Hillary as having pie in the sky ideas.

Its a ridiculous article just simply as it wants to pretend 2016 didn't happen

Did the last Democrat to win the White House really win by "stressing results over visions"? Did Trump?
 
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yankeessuck said:
It doesn't really explain much because even if you take "we are going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" off the table for whatever reason its still hard to see Hillary as having pie in the sky ideas.

Its a ridiculous article just simply as it wants to pretend 2016 didn't happen

Did the last Democrat to win the White House really win by "stressing results over visions"? Did Trump?
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The article isn't about Hillary or 2016 at all. Hillary didn't go to these places and talk to anyone about anything.

People don't understand why average middle to lower class people keep voting Trump, because they don't really try and understand it. Trump's statement about getting Mexico to pay for the wall was dumb, but a wall was not some pie in the sky idea. It is overly expensive and not worth it, but that's besides the point. I doubt the wall was the big thing for people in Michigan and Ohio. What he did talk to those people about is jobs moving overseas and bringing them back. Sure, it was a lot of BS, but people bought it and still are. He's kept unemployment low (mostly from dumb luck and an economy that was on an upward swing anyway).

They see Bernie's ideas as more idealism and less practical solutions. Bernie lost in 2016 to Hillary because he couldn't explain anything he said in great detail, and ultimately always fumbled on the "how are you going to pay for this" question (which isn't fair, only Democrats have to answer that). To say that they are wrong or misinformed isn't totally wrong, but it is dangerous ti dismiss it. I read policies directly from Bernie's website and I question how a lot of this will ever work (and usually land on that it won't work).
 
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The article isn't about Hillary or 2016 at all. Hillary didn't go to these places and talk to anyone about anything.

People don't understand why average middle to lower class people keep voting Trump, because they don't really try and understand it. Trump's statement about getting Mexico to pay for the wall was dumb, but a wall was not some pie in the sky idea. It is overly expensive and not worth it, but that's besides the point. I doubt the wall was the big thing for people in Michigan and Ohio. What he did talk to those people about is jobs moving overseas and bringing them back. Sure, it was a lot of BS, but people bought it and still are. He's kept unemployment low (mostly from dumb luck and an economy that was on an upward swing anyway).

They see Bernie's ideas as more idealism and less practical solutions. Bernie lost in 2016 to Hillary because he couldn't explain anything he said in great detail, and ultimately always fumbled on the "how are you going to pay for this" question (which isn't fair, only Democrats have to answer that). To say that they are wrong or misinformed isn't totally wrong, but it is dangerous ti dismiss it. I read policies directly from Bernie's website and I question how a lot of this will ever work (and usually land on that it won't work).
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Mexico paying for it is pie in the sky. The wall itself is just as unrealistic as anything Bernie proposes. The person who wrote the article has to be honest and admit the double standard if I am going to take anything in it seriously.

Bernie won't be able to do the things he wants to do and his campaign and supporters have made everyone who tries be more realistic look corrupt or like a snake and I will be the first in line to complain about him if he loses but if the topic is about actually speaking to these types of people? There isn't a better option. He will talk to them in a way other Democrats won't and he will make the argument about the economy in a way the others won't.

It is just sad that with 678 people running that there isn't a clear alternative. We should be having the discussion of whether it should be Bernie or ___.
 
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