The End of the World: A Political Thread.

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Maybe this is worth it? I mean in light of the developments with Corona virus maybe the DNC or delegates can consider pushing someone besides Biden? Whether or not that is Sanders?

What if they pushed a ticket with Cuomo at this late stage citing unusual circumstances? They would probably still have to include Biden in the next administration.

Anyway I think Biden is so terrible I'm not sure it's even an issue for Sanders to hang around. I don't much from Biden having concrete plans but rather feel good rhetoric restoring the soul of America or our moral center.
 

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Maybe this is worth it? I mean in light of the developments with Corona virus maybe the DNC or delegates can consider pushing someone besides Biden? Whether or not that is Sanders?

What if they pushed a ticket with Cuomo at this late stage citing unusual circumstances? They would probably still have to include Biden in the next administration.

Anyway I think Biden is so terrible I'm not sure it's even an issue for Sanders to hang around. I don't much from Biden having concrete plans but rather feel good rhetoric restoring the soul of America or our moral center.
I think its safe to say Biden isn't going to drop out and that is what it would take for him not to win.

I guess Biden could die in the next 4 months but even if he did Bernie being in wouldn't really make much a difference at the end of the day in terms of who the nominee would end up being.
 

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With the trillions in bailouts being thrown around Bernie's socialism doesn't sound so crazy now does it?
Bailouts go to business though. f*** the citizens. If they want money they should have planned ahead and chosen rich parents. /Sarcasm
 
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I'm still freaked out by this and apparently some morons in Mobile, AL are acting like the Spring Breakers though the governor is taking some action. It's crazy how this has such a wide range of symptoms from barely a cold to death. I kind of wonder if the main factors are a mix of population density and climate of which New York seems to be the worst?

I've seen a few more of the occasional Cardboard "Help I'm Homeless" Sign holders. I'm near Dothan, AL now and see empty restaurants including a Pizza Hut with a for sale sign.

America is like a car barely running on fumes at this point aside from the Virus health threat.

On top of this, I'm wonder if we'll actually attempt the 'Reopening' on Easter and home many will feel bold enough to fill up Churches for mass?
 
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I'm still freaked out by this and apparently some morons in Mobile, AL are acting like the Spring Breakers though the governor is taking some action. It's crazy how this has such a wide range of symptoms from barely a cold to death. I kind of wonder if the main factors are a mix of population density and climate of which New York seems to be the worst?
A lot of us here are asking that question. Now, NYC itself skews numbers, but we're still bad in my area (Buffalo, which is nowhere near NYC) too. The crazy thing here is that it is everywhere - rural and urban. There aren't just hotspots, there are cases all over.

The scary thought is that more areas have a lot more of it than they realize. There's a lot of people thinking that people are spreading it without symptoms.

I'm no expert, and maybe we do just have it worse here in NY, but personally, I would tell people to assume that the virus is everywhere. Testing is still very limited.

I hope I'm wrong and the rest of the country is in much better shape.
 
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I'm no expert, and maybe we do just have it worse here in NY, but personally, I would tell people to assume that the virus is everywhere. Testing is still very limited.

I hope I'm wrong and the rest of the country is in much better shape.
I wonder if it's cumulative exposure effect much more severe than say the Flu.

Suppose a person bumps into a single asympomatic person and catches it? Maybe they'll have minimal symptoms. Compare this to say being on a Plane or Cruiseship with 20 plus infected people?

The hard part also are these asymptomatic people. Maybe early in the infection, they're the most at risk if say 20 asymptomatic people were together sort of creating a viral feedback. However, a late stage infected person mostly asymptomatic has been fighting it and has the antibodies and might be okay unless they faced and overwhelming exposure.

Just my random thoughts I have no idea. Some small towns might luck out with low symptoms, but fade away in the crumbling economy. It makes me think of Michigan writ large.
 

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I keep thinking of how Andrew Yang wanted to buffer the system against the obsolecence of human workers in the face of automation. Strangely, automation or 'Tax the Robots' through a VAT is how it was meant to be implemented, not through massive debt.

I feel like we should be accelerating automation because then we can have productivity with a workforce that doesn't get sick. Then apply Yang's plan to get revenue from the added value of this robot work force to help out the people.

With that said, there is no way people can live on just UBI and also maintain previous lifestyles. However, 3 people together with $3000 UBI a month could share a decent place to live just for one example.

This Virus works as a cumulative and exponential growing threat, but I think UBI becomes cumulatively beneficial when recipients come together to acquire much more than they could alone.
 

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I wonder if it's cumulative exposure effect much more severe than say the Flu.

Suppose a person bumps into a single asympomatic person and catches it? Maybe they'll have minimal symptoms. Compare this to say being on a Plane or Cruiseship with 20 plus infected people?

The hard part also are these asymptomatic people. Maybe early in the infection, they're the most at risk if say 20 asymptomatic people were together sort of creating a viral feedback. However, a late stage infected person mostly asymptomatic has been fighting it and has the antibodies and might be okay unless they faced and overwhelming exposure.

Just my random thoughts I have no idea. Some small towns might luck out with low symptoms, but fade away in the crumbling economy. It makes me think of Michigan writ large.
Honestly I think we were just a couple weeks or more too late. We are only now starting to test, so how do you fight when you don't even know how bad it is or where it is? In January the warning signs were there, and we dicked around until March.

Any problem solving starts with gather the facts, then come up with a plan. We never had enough facts.

Even now here in NY they are basically assuming 11 cases for every 1 positive test.

Trump's talk of getting back to normal by Easter is pure and total fiction.
 

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Honestly I think we were just a couple weeks or more too late. We are only now starting to test, so how do you fight when you don't even know how bad it is or where it is? In January the warning signs were there, and we dicked around until March.

Any problem solving starts with gather the facts, then come up with a plan. We never had enough facts.

Even now here in NY they are basically assuming 11 cases for every 1 positive test.

Trump's talk of getting back to normal by Easter is pure and total fiction.

I try to not think about it to much because it makes me both furious and sad. I'll give myself a tension headache if I dwell on it to much.
 

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I try to not think about it to much because it makes me both furious and sad. I'll give myself a tension headache if I dwell on it to much.
It is frustrating. I mean how long have tons of us been screaming from the rooftops about the dangers of this Orange Spray Tan fool?

On the plus side, we have local and state officials who are really stepping up. We get daily updates from the governor, down to our county exec and head of the local health department. They are giving us straight up facts and keeping us informed, and that's the best you can do at this time. It is a stark contrast to "fine by Easter" coming from the top.

We will get through this in spite of Trump. Trump is exactly the reason the system is set up with strong state systems. I was never a big "state's rights" kind of person, but now I see why you need that.