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[GeorgeSoros]

Its a conspiracy to think she was in just to hurt Bernie. She didn't run a good campaign but she was trying to win. OMG she pivoted a tiny bit on medicare 4 all what a betrayal! And probably the most well known Woman in congress in on the VP short list for someone who is going to pick a woman? Wow WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Did you know her campaign sent feelers to Bernie's about to potentially set the stage for them to work together near the end and the Bernie's campaign just ignored it. Biden campaign worked to get endorsements and get everyone out. Bernie's made zero attempt to get any endorsement.

I'm sure Bernie would have done well if there were 65 people running on Super Tuesday but maybe he shouldn't be the nominee if that is the only way he could win? Putting the blame on Warren is just a way for some to avoid putting any on Bernie.

Ok, so talking past clear points is just something you do. You didn't just see how Elizabeth Warren tried to cancel Bernie sanders by saying he made a sexist remark about a woman not being able to become President?

Give me a link to an article that says her campaign reached out to Bernie.

 

[yankeessuck]

Ok, so talking past clear points is just something you do. You didn't just see how Elizabeth Warren tried to cancel Bernie sanders by saying he made a sexist remark about woman not being able to be President?

Give me a link to an article that says her campaign reached out to Bernie.

Funny how you talked past everything I said

Well it should be noted it was about winning and not being President. But my feeling about that is the same as it was at the time. I don't think Bernie thinks a woman couldn't be President or win the election. Is it possible he said something like maybe a woman would have harder time beating Trump? Or maybe beating Trump specifically? I think that is possible. It could simply be a miscommunication. I wasn't in the room. It also didn't get leaked from Warren's campaign.

The Week Bernie Sanders Realized He Was Losing

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About a month ago, when it was clear that Warren had little chance to win, one person inside the campaign said they put out feelers to Sanders’ operation in an attempt to create new lines of communication. At the time, senior Sanders officials showed little interest, the person said, in reciprocating.

Its also been reported that Bernie just isn't in to trying to woo people into endorsements. I believe that as that does seem like Bernie but you have to do it.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

yankeessuck - In that same article:

Last weekend, a few days after Elizabeth Warren dropped out, Shakir and one of his deputy campaign managers, Ari Rabin-Havt, started contacting her top staffers and supporters to see what could be done to bring together the two camps before the primaries on Tuesday.

Sanders spoke to Warren a “handful” of times throughout the week, a campaign aide confirmed, but she has declined to offer her endorsement.

Was he supposed to reach out to her while she was in the middle trying to get him cancelled for sexism?

 

[Kerosene31]

It's not as easy to see the bias in those sources because they don't usually have these really hyperbolic personalities like on Fox News, but they tend to filter what they report on so that it favors establishment politics (both moderate democrats and moderate republicans). Listening to people like Dylan Ratigan, Democracy At Work (Richard Wolf), Matt Taibi at (Rolling Stone), would be much more informative.

I follow the facts, then draw my own conclusions from those facts. The line gets blurred between facts and opinions. Facts are facts. Opinions may be well informed (say an op-ed from the Washington Post), but those are still just opinions.

The facts are that roughly 40% of this country (depending on which polls you look at, I look at Gallup) still think Trump is doing a good job. That's a fact. I wish they weren't, but they are. People who don't face those facts will doom us to 4 more years of Trump.

Looks like the new Gallup numbers came out, and his disapproval is still at 57% and his approval is down to 38%. A pandemic is crushing this country and this guy still has higher approval numbers than W Bush. People love this moron, and if he wins again we'll probably see Don Jr and Eric in 2024 and then things will be over.

Presidential Job Approval Center

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[yankeessuck]

yankeessuck - In that same article:

After she had already dropped out. You were complained that she stayed in while others dropped out. Did you forget you were talking about that?

It was already over at that point

No comment on them reaching out to Bernie?

Was he supposed to reach out to her while she was in the middle trying to get him cancelled for sexism?

I guess all the months after that don't exist? Why are you complaining that she didn't drop out and endorse her if you also don't seem to think he should even want it?

Kamala Harris attacked Biden over racial issues and plenty of people have argued it was an unfair attack and he still worked to get her on board and may even be his VP.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

I follow the facts, then draw my own conclusions from those facts. The line gets blurred between facts and opinions. Facts are facts. Opinions may be well informed (say an op-ed from the Washington Post), but those are still just opinions.

Those news sources filter way too much information. There reporting is just as slanted as anyone else. It's what they choose not to report that slants their coverage.

The facts are that roughly 40% of this country (depending on which polls you look at, I look at Gallup) still think Trump is doing a good job. That's the facts. I wish they weren't, but they are. People who don't face those facts will doom us to 4 more years of Trump.

That statistic doesn't tell the whole story. Are they just saying that because they hate democrats? Because they think Covid-19 is just a hoax? Context is important.

Looks like the new Gallup numbers came out, and his disapproval is still at 57% and his approval is down to 38%. A pandemic is crushing this country and this guy still has higher approval numbers than W Bush.

Presidential Job Approval Center

Explore Gallup data on presidential job approval ratings from Truman to Biden.

news.gallup.com

Are they disapproving of him because he isn't tougher on BLM? Or is it because many of those people just got evicted?

They could easily disapprove of the job he is doing because they thought he should have just ignored COVID-19 and let people go back to work. That crowd certainly wouldn't vote for a democrat.

Again, Context matters.

After she had already dropped out. You were complained that she stayed in while others dropped out. Did you forget you were talking about that?

It was already over at that point

No comment on them reaching out to Bernie?



I guess all the months after that don't exist? Why are you complaining that she didn't drop out and endorse her if you also don't seem to think he should even want it?

Kamala Harris attacked Biden over racial issues and plenty of people have argued it was an unfair attack and he still worked to get her on board and may even be his VP.

I did comment on it. I said I don't blame him for not wanting to promise her a VP spot after she tried to cancel him. That wasn't a staffer, it was her that went to the press and said he didn't think a woman could be President.

She stayed in only to split the vote for Biden. It was obvious.

 

[Plainview]

Supreme Court ruled on electoral college. The question was do states have to follow how the majority of their state voted. Unanimous that states MUST follow what the people of the states vote.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

 

[yankeessuck]

I did comment on it. I said I don't blame him for not wanting to promise her a VP spot after she tried to cancel him. That wasn't a staffer, it was her that went to the press and said he didn't think a woman could be President.

She stayed in only to split the vote for Biden. It was obvious.

The press already had the story when she confirmed it. And you still don't even have the accusation correct.

Its Bernie's fault. It was obvious. Why did he lose when it was an even playing field?

Wow Trump said it? Wow than it is true. I take everything back I said and apologize. I will now delete my account.

Did you ever consider Trump did that to create division that you somehow fell for?

 

[Plainview]

Did you ever consider Trump did that to create division that you somehow fell for?

 

[hrudey]

And that article you linked to doesn't help your case at all.

Your point originally was that Warren got involved, then took her policy ideas from Bernie as part of some plot to bring him down. She's had her policy views for a lot longer that that, as you should know with even minimal research (e.g her 2005 clash with Biden on the bankruptcy bill, or her fight for the CFPB). It's amazing she put 15 years of her life into a plot to bring down Bernie in 2020 but Q gonna Q and U gonna U.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Your point originally was that Warren got involved, then took her policy ideas from Bernie as part of some plot to bring him down. She's had her policy views for a lot longer that that, as you should know with even minimal research (e.g her 2005 clash with Biden on the bankruptcy bill, or her fight for the CFPB). It's amazing she put 15 years of her life into a plot to bring down Bernie in 2020 but Q gonna Q and U gonna U.

Her "clashing with Biden" on a bankruptcy bill doesn't mean that she was for "medicare-for-all" and a "wealth tax plan" back in 2005. She used to write books on economics, her whole Schtick was that she was some sort of economics genius back then. She was moderate democrat. Before that she was a "die-hard conservative". No sir, you went out on a limb and the branch snapped on you.

A "year long effort to get Elizabeth Warren to run"?

How do you square that with him telling her that a woman can't win?

You answer that question first.

 

[yankeessuck]

Her "clashing with Biden" on a bankruptcy bill doesn't mean that she was for "medicare-for-all" and a "wealth tax plan" back in 2005. She was a moderate back then and before that she was a "die-hard conservative". No sir, you went out on a limb and the branch snapped on you.

A "year long effort to get Elizabeth Warren to run"?

How do you square that with him telling her that a woman can't win?

You answer that question first.

A die hard conservative that hasn't voted for a Republican for President since the 70s

Oh the huge manatee

 

[GeorgeSoros]

A die hard conservative that hasn't voted for a Republican for President since the 70s

Oh the huge manatee

It was not until 1996—when Warren was 47 years old and a newly minted Harvard law professor—that she changed her registration from Republican to Democrat. - Source

 

[hrudey]

Her "clashing with Biden" on a bankruptcy bill doesn't mean that she was for "medicare-for-all" and a "wealth tax plan" back in 2005. She was a moderate back then and before that she was a "die-hard conservative". No sir, you went out on a limb and the branch snapped on you.

A "year long effort to get Elizabeth Warren to run"?

How do you square that with him telling her that a woman can't win?

You answer that question first.

Can't win against Trump is what the story is, and that the people in the room said it happened (and I'm pretty sure I read BuzzFeed had a reporter who also confirmed it but it's a stupid tangent that you're fixated on because you've got that Bernie strain of trumpvirus).

She wrote her own damn wealth tax plan, incidentally, and sold that better than Bernie sold his (whatever it was besides railing about the problem at least).

It's resoundingly stupid for you to reduce the woman who had so much policy work that she was known for "I've got a plan for that" to someone taking Bernie's scraps. But of course, facts don't matter, it's all about if it glorifies Bernie or not. Like a trump disciple- willing to mindlessly believe anything that makes their guy look good, no matter what mental gymnastics they have to do to get there (or more likely, they leave that to the people telling them their opinions).

 

[yankeessuck]

Did you know that if you are registered as a Republican you can still vote for Democrats. Its allowed.

BTW I like that that link is supposed to be real scary. "She was a die hard conservative"

And it turns out that is a quote of someone saying that she was a die hard conservative...in high school...which was over 50 years ago

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Can't win against Trump is what the story is, and that the people in the room said it happened (and I'm pretty sure I read BuzzFeed had a reporter who also confirmed it but it's a stupid tangent that you're fixated on because you've got that Bernie strain of trumpvirus).

"Pretty sure" is not a source.

She wrote her own damn wealth tax plan, incidentally, and sold that better than Bernie sold his (whatever it was besides railing about the problem at least).

None of that means that she was a progressive back in 2005 like you implied.

Some on the left have already pointed out the less-than-progressive stances in her 2003 book, The Two Income Trap, including the rejection of a “quasi-socialist safety net to rival the European model.”

Yet two years later she was supposed to be a progressive because she challenged Biden on a Bankruptcy bill? That doesn't add up hrudey .

It's resoundingly stupid for you to reduce the woman who had so much policy work that she was known for "I've got a plan for that" to someone taking Bernie's scraps. But of course, facts don't matter, it's all about if it glorifies Bernie or not.

Like a trump disciple- willing to mindlessly believe anything that makes their guy look good, no matter what mental gymnastics they have to do to get there (or more likely, they leave that to the people telling them their opinions).

Your words not mine. I never said she didn't come up with her own plan. I believe she was smarter than anybody when it came to coming up with plans. She just didn't have a genuine interest in following through on those plans.

Did you know that if you are registered as a Republican you can still vote for Democrats. Its allowed.

BTW I like that that link is supposed to be real scary. "She was a die hard conservative"

And it turns out that is a quote of someone saying that she was a die hard conservative...in high school...which was over 50 years ago

Yes, but that's not something a far left progressive would do. Her excuse was that she wasn't all that interested in politics back then at 47 years old.

She wrote a book denouncing far left politics as late as 2003.

 

[yankeessuck]

Warren so conservative that Bernie Sanders wanted her to run for President and then 4 years later looked into making her Vice President and Treasury Secretary at the same time.

And we all know Bernie is perfect and is never wrong so nuff said.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

The press already had the story when she confirmed it. And you still don't even have the accusation correct.

Its Bernie's fault. It was obvious. Why did he lose when it was an even playing field?

Wow Trump said it? Wow than it is true. I take everything back I said and apologize. I will now delete my account.

Did you ever consider Trump did that to create division that you somehow fell for?

Warren so conservative that Bernie Sanders wanted her to run for President and then 4 years later looked into making her Vice President and Treasury Secretary at the same time.

And we all know Bernie is perfect and is never wrong so nuff said.

That's a strawman argument.

 

[Plainview]

Me watching the back and forth.

 

[yankeessuck]

That's a strawman argument.

Just looking past the parts you are uncomfortable commenting on again huh

Let's talk more about Elizabeth Warren's politics in 1964 some more instead

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Just looking past the parts you are uncomfortable commenting on again huh

Uncomfortable? That was you being squeamish when it came time to acknowledge all those black boomers that are propping up the democratic party. You'd rather appeal to "undecided voters" and "independents" that would be put off by that "demographic".

I never said she was all that conservative. She put forth some extremely leftist policies that she never planned on sticking to. The Medicare-for-all plan became a "public option" plan, same as Biden. That doesn't make her "alt-right" it doesn't make her a progressive either.

Let's talk more about Elizabeth Warren's politics in 1964 some more instead

I can talk about her politics in 2003:

Some on the left have already pointed out the less-than-progressive stances in her 2003 book, The Two Income Trap, including the rejection of a “quasi-socialist safety net to rival the European model.”

How does that square with her being for a wealth tax and "medicare-for-all"? Hell, she even promised black people reparations.

 

[yankeessuck]

Uncomfortable? That was you being squeamish when it came time to acknowledge all those black boomers that are propping up the democratic party. You'd rather appeal to "undecided voters" and "independents" that would be put off by that "demographic".

I never said she was all that conservative. She put forth some extremely leftist policies that she never planned on sticking to. The Medicare-for-all plan became a "public option" plan, same as Biden. That doesn't make her "alt-right" it doesn't make her a progressive either.

I would say that is a strawman but in reality it would just be more accurate to say its its just a full lie. I said he doesn't have to increase Hillary's turnout among black voters if he beats her everywhere else which he currently is. How could that be me saying I don't want him to appeal to black voters?

You used a quote about her being a die hard conservative. Saying her health care plan was the same as Biden is comical but you might as well just double down and keep making stuff up at this point. When are you going to comment on the fact that Bernie only won 1 state when it was head to head? I guess that was Warren's fault too.

 

[Kerosene31]

Did you ever consider Trump did that to create division that you somehow fell for?

Winner winner.

This is what people have to understand. The alt right is purposely trying to divide people, because if we did unite, we'd win easily.

Also, Republicans would never, ever divide among themselves like this. Meanwhile we're arguing over how not perfect Warren is?

The primary is over. Biden is a million times better than Trump. Only decision left to make is who is VP.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Winner winner.

This is what people have to understand. The alt right is purposely trying to divide people, because if we did unite, we'd win easily.

Also, Republicans would never, ever divide among themselves like this. Meanwhile we're arguing over how not perfect Warren is?

The primary is over. Biden is a million times better than Trump. Only decision left to make is who is VP.

I think I originally saw that tweet on Jimmy Dore's show.



Progressives hate Elizabeth Warren. Doesn't matter what Trump said.

 

[GeorgeSoros]

I would say that is a strawman but in reality it would just be more accurate to say its its just a full lie. I said he doesn't have to increase Hillary's turnout among black voters if he beats her everywhere else which he currently is. How could that be me saying I don't want him to appeal to black voters?

You used a quote about her being a die hard conservative. Saying her health care plan was the same as Biden is comical but you might as well just double down and keep making stuff up at this point. When are you going to comment on the fact that Bernie only won 1 state when it was head to head? I guess that was Warren's fault too.

Lol, Hilary thought that other voting demographics would come out for her to because of Trump's xenophobia and the numbers either stayed the same or got worse. No reason to think that the same thing won't happen in 2020. The group that actually came out to vote and propped up Biden in the primaries were these black boomers not phantom Asian and Hispanic voters.

 

[yankeessuck]

Lol, Hilary thought that other voting demographics would come out for her to because of Trump's xenophobia and the numbers either stayed the same or got worse. No reason to think that the same thing won't happen in 2020. The group that actually came out to vote and propped up Biden in the primaries were these black boomers not phantom Asian and Hispanic voters.

Its white people that he is outpacing Hillary in

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Its white people that he is outpacing Hillary in

I didn't say you didn't want him to appeal to black voters. I said you were downplaying the impact of that black boomer base propping up democratic party.

 

[yankeessuck]

I didn't say you didn't want him to appeal to black voters. I said you were downplaying the impact of that black boomer base propping up democratic party.

Well I don't know how you figure that. Everyone knows that black voters are the biggest reason he is the nominee. Not exactly breaking news. And they are the most loyal demographic in the party. Didn't think the obvious needed to be said but for some reason me thinking Biden can win without improving on Hillary's black vote numbers means I don't know that?

And no I don't want him to shy away from black issues and I don't feel like he has either.

Bernie supporters that can't put any blame on Bernie hate Elizabeth Warren

Fixed

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Well I don't know how you figure that. Everyone knows that black voters are the biggest reason he is the nominee. Not exactly breaking news. And they are the most loyal demographic in the party. Didn't think the obvious needed to be said but for some reason me thinking Biden can win without improving on Hillary's black vote numbers means I don't know that?

It's obvious? You wouldn't admit that Biden even needed to match Hilary's black voting numbers to win.

And no I don't want him to shy away from black issues and I don't feel like he has either.

I never said he should focus on black issues. That wasn't the point.