It's obvious? You wouldn't admit that Biden even needed to match Hilary's black voting numbers to win.
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Bernie supporters can't cant accept the idea that maybe instead of there being some elaborate centrist conspiracy to keep Bernie down - that maybe, just maybe, people didn't vote for him because they preferred other candidates?
Warren lost too so not sure why she's so triggering. Warren went after Bernie because that's what campaigns do. She was stagnant in the polls and looking for a jump. It failed miserably because people saw it for what it was.
Biden beat Bernie 2-1. Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, and everyone hated Hillary. You could take every other candidate's votes and Bernie still wouldn't beat Biden. Really makes me wonder where this progressive vote that is going to lose us the general is? That news is kept from me for sure, because I can't find them.
Warren lost too so not sure why she's so triggering. Warren went after Bernie because that's what campaigns do. She was stagnant in the polls and looking for a jump. It failed miserably because people saw it for what it was.
Biden beat Bernie 2-1. Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, and everyone hated Hillary. You could take every other candidate's votes and Bernie still wouldn't beat Biden. Really makes me wonder where this progressive vote that is going to lose us the general is? That news is kept from me for sure, because I can't find them.
No, lol. That's another strawman. I never said he didn't beat Bernie.
The entire Democratic establishment owes Jim Clyburn a debt of gratitude.
I think its more specifically the real fringe left like Jimmy Dore who care more about their moral highground then doing what is the best move right now for the people they claim to be looking out for.
He just sees that the push for gradualism has no end in sight. They've been saying the same thing for 20+ years and there is always some boogeyman every four years. At some point people will stop falling for the Ruse.
The boogeyman is real. He's sprayed orange and living in the White House right now. He has zero morals and zero impulse control. He will destroy this country while we wait for perfection and the perfect moral high ground.
There's never been a President with zero morals and impulse control in the White house? They don't need to be perfect. They just need to care a little.
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You talk of people being brainwashed, but you're parroting the alt right argument that "nobody is perfect so therefore everyone is flawed, so just ignore Trump's flaws". It is a dangerous false equivalence.
How do I attack Trump when the alternatives aren't flawless and perfect? Quite easily. It isn't hypocrisy, but pragmatism. I don't have all the answers and I'm certainly not perfect. I know enough that this decision is extremely simple.
Hopefully in 2024 and beyond we can actually get some candidates and actually move the country forward.
Lol, "alt-right"? No, lol. I'm just specifically talking about the "morals" and "impulse control" part. I'd rather have someone in there with the right politics than a priest.
That was anecdotal. And I misremembered. It was the Sirius XM Progressive channel morning talk show with the two women whose names I don't recall either talking about that. I'm not going to try to retroactively remember which of my hour-long morning commutes it might have been, re-listen to it and then cite that. The original CNN report said that they spoke with two people Warren spoke to immediately after the dinner (in 2018, remember), and two others familiar with the meeting.
Do you have a source for that? That's an awful big assertion, and I am "pretty sure" you're not just using the 'I need a source' as something that's used to try to shield Bernie but suddenly doesn't matter when pointing the finger for his failures at anyone else. I mean, that's be a Trumpalo thing to do, and I'm "pretty sure" you're better than that. Of course, I've been "pretty sure" of a lot of other things too, but I also will admit if and when I am wrong and allow my opinions to be influenced by facts, rather than the other way around. I'm "pretty sure" you see what I'm getting at.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/20/elizabeth-warren-reverses-her-position-on-super-pac-support.html
Warren pivots on 'Medicare for All' in bid to become Biden's VP
She's pitching herself as a governing partner to Biden, despite their past clashes over policy.
www.politico.com
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Fox News says it 'mistakenly' cropped Trump out of photo featuring Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
Fox News said on Monday that it "mistakenly" cropped President Trump out of a photograph that featured the accused sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Yeah, "Abolish The Police" is a real movement. Gov. Brian Kemp just called in the National Guard over a police free zone in Atlanta that has gotten out of hand. I agree with the moderates who say that Biden shouldn't have to talk about this kind of stuff in an election year. Very surprised that abolishing police has gained so much traction.
Holy s***. You claim there's an "Abolish the Police" movement. You mention it twice. Then you link a story that never mentions "abolish," and discusses reform.
This is exactly what the alt right does. They are so good at spreading misinformation that they get others to do it for them.
All they do is plant the seed and let the internet run with it. It is scary how they not only create a narrative, but get others to repeat it.
The method is always very similar:
-put something out there
-spam all sorts of other information
The goal isn't to win the argument, just to keep the other side off balance, as they can't simply let the straw man arguments go unanswered, but the only other option is to respond to them and give them weight. Then, before anything really gets resolved, repeat the cycle by making another crazy claim.
All they do is plant the seed and let the internet run with it. It is scary how they not only create a narrative, but get others to repeat it.
The method is always very similar:
-put something out there
-spam all sorts of other information
The goal isn't to win the argument, just to keep the other side off balance, as they can't simply let the straw man arguments go unanswered, but the only other option is to respond to them and give them weight. Then, before anything really gets resolved, repeat the cycle by making another crazy claim.
I find it very interesting that a war hero hates America but a draft dodger who ran on America not being great is totally ok
Holy s***. You claim there's an "Abolish the Police" movement. You mention it twice. Then you link a story that never mentions "abolish," and discusses reform.
In that same article:
That is Kandace Montgomery, leader of the BLM chapter in Minneapolis. She is the one who had the crowd boo the Mayor of Minneapolis after he would not agree to get rid of all policing in the city of Minneapolis.
Here is the Mayor of Minnesota talking about the abolish police movement that she was calling for:
They set up a police-free zone in Seattle called "The CHOP".
That's what I took it to mean when he said that Democrats shouldn't play the Social Justice Warrior card in 2020.
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I know everything you're talking about. There is no "movement." There is no "gaining so much traction." It's far more of a fringe movement than Bernie supporters who actually go out and vote rather than be keyboard warriors.
It's enough of a movement that the Mayor of Minneapolis had to talk about it on National Tv. They also have real people out on the street that have setup police-free areas. It's not something that's just being talked about on social media these are real movements out in the streets.
You seriously think that a local chapter leader of the BLM talking about disbanding the police department means nothing? This will be something that Biden will end up having to address at some point.
This is the "two sides" picture that the alt right wants to paint. Someone says something and suddenly the entire "side" has to "address it". They want to lump any leftist agenda with everyone else so we're constantly on the defensive.
Funny how Biden is simultaneously "too centrist" but also has to "address" these extreme ideas at the same time.
You can actually go to his website and read all his stances on the issues. I did a control-f and couldn't find anything on abolishing police oddly enough.
joebiden.com
Funny how Biden is simultaneously "too centrist" but also has to "address" these extreme ideas at the same time.
You can actually go to his website and read all his stances on the issues. I did a control-f and couldn't find anything on abolishing police oddly enough.
Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/20/elizabeth-warren-reverses-her-position-on-super-pac-support.html
Warren pivots on 'Medicare for All' in bid to become Biden's VP
She's pitching herself as a governing partner to Biden, despite their past clashes over policy.
The money quote:
"I think right now people want to see improvements in our health care system, and that means strengthening the Affordable Care Act," she told students at the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics this week, while adding that she still wants to get to single payer eventually.
She also lost her older brother to COVID-19 between her dropping out and now.
The thing is, she said at the time she was campaigning that she'd take what she could get - while Bernie would likely sit there with his thumb up his ass if he doesn't get the perfect bill, and where Biden would by default ask for too little and bargain that away, she was in it to not only aim high but deliver something. People need help now, they needed it months ago, and if it means we go with a step of expanding the ACA and hopefully at least a public option, that's help today. If the Bernie Bros can prove they can win anything other than Twitter wars, hopefully they can push the party far enough to start getting more change, but they'll probably stay home and complain how unfair it is that finishing second doesn't let them decide everything.
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