The Last of Us Part 2 - New Trailer Contains Spoilers

[Frozpot]

Does it matter how? Honestly it's how they went about the game that I dont like.

I'm convinced they wanted to avoid spoilers so badly that they pushed it back so they could maximize early sales (physicaland digital) . Once the story was out, they knew people would be pissed, but they already have the money of those who'd care most.

Notice they decided to release it now. Whatever happened to waiting so everyone could have it at the same time?

The sequel doesn't have that connection between Joel and Ellie that everyone loved the first for. It feels like a middle finger. That same middle finger given to so many fanbases over the last few years.

Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angels, Terminator, Marvel comics...

 

[JinCA]

Does it matter how? Honestly it's how they went about the game that I dont like.

I'm convinced they wanted to avoid spoilers so badly that they pushed it back so they could maximize early sales (physicaland digital) . Once the story was out, they knew people would be pissed, but they already have the money of those who'd care most.

Notice they decided to release it now. Whatever happened to waiting so everyone could have it at the same time?

The sequel doesn't have that connection between Joel and Ellie that everyone loved the first for. It feels like a middle finger. That same middle finger given to so many fanbases over the last few years.

Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angels, Terminator, Marvel comics...

The game was up for pre-order forever this last delay had nothing to do with trying to maximize pre orders to trick people, hell they were all refunded when the game was delayed anyway, at least the digital ones were so that kind of blows your theory out of the water Everyone has to pre-order again, at least those who ordered it digitally on PSN do, people who pre-ordered it physical copies can cancel them.

As far as doing a global launch, things have been easing up and you know that, places are starting to open or talking about it they even mention that in their press release. Really they had no choice though, spoilers are already out there so it may as well go out now and let people see things in context and then decide for themselves how they feel vs listening to a bunch of youtube leaches who keep talking about it on a daily basis trying to keep people upset so they come back the next day for more rage fuel lol.

 

[starseeker]

As far as doing a global launch, things have been easing up and you know that, places are starting to open or talking about it they even mention that in their press release. Really they had no choice though, spoilers are already out there so it may as well go out now and let people see things in context and then decide for themselves how they feel vs listening to a bunch of youtube leaches who keep talking about it on a daily basis trying to keep people upset so they come back the next day for more rage fuel lol.

"Trying to get people upset so they come back the next day for more rage fuel"
You just accurately describe the media in general.
However, it doesn't matter if people dislike these YouTubers, disagree with them, or even hate them. This doesn't justify fake copyright strikes as an attempt to stop criticism by shutting their channels via the 3 strike rule.

Disagree, prove your case, make rebukes, don't silence people.

While I think this leak has been blown out of proportion, & some channels maybe a bit overdramatic, they have to right to express their views. If they used leak footage, for sure, but from what I read, that wasn't the case, you can get copyright strikes just by discussing without any leaked footage.

I cannot support this kind of bullying & authoritarian. Maybe its Sony that did the strike, not ND, if so, ND needs to tell Sony or whoever is silencing people to stop it & remove the strikes.

 

[JinCA]

"Trying to get people upset so they come back the next day for more rage fuel"
You just accurately describe the media in general.
However, it doesn't matter if people dislike these YouTubers, disagree with them, or even hate them. This doesn't justify fake copyright strikes as an attempt to stop criticism by shutting their channels via the 3 strike rule.

Disagree, prove your case, make rebukes, don't silence people.

While I think this leak has been blown out of proportion, & some channels maybe a bit overdramatic, they have to right to express their views. If they used leak footage, for sure, but from what I read, that wasn't the case, you can get copyright strikes just by discussing without any leaked footage.

I cannot support this kind of bullying & authoritarian. Maybe its Sony that did the strike, not ND, if so, ND needs to tell Sony or whoever is silencing people to stop it & remove the strikes.

I get where you are coming from but I have no sympathy for most of these youtubers, they leach off of other people's work and just follow forums for something to talk about that day. They aren't offering informed opinions on anything, they haven't played the game and they haven't seen the story all the way through, they are basically gossip channels. I bet most of them have already made like 10 videos on this and keep making more daily with no new info to add.

I do think when it comes to having a negative impact on a company financially they should be able to stop people spreading spoilers about their product pre-release. Once they've put it out on the market let the floodgates roll but right now everyone is just getting on their high horse and spreading what could very well be misinformation that could possible end up having a negative impact on Sony/ND's financials, they should be able to protect themselves from that IMO.

It's one thing to talk about hardware leaks or game announcements even though that really should be left up to the company who's product it is to announce but when you are talking story spoilers that's pretty bad, even if it's not illegal a lot of people have their videos taken down on youtube even though they aren't breaking the law.

They can discuss it in private or in a group setting all they want but youtube isn't a free speech thing, the provide a platform. Youtube themselves have been taking down videos for quite a while now that don't break any laws it just breaks their policies, if they are allowing these strikes it much be with their approval, at least until they are appealed.

 

[menace-uk-]

"Trying to get people upset so they come back the next day for more rage fuel"
You just accurately describe the media in general.
However, it doesn't matter if people dislike these YouTubers, disagree with them, or even hate them. This doesn't justify fake copyright strikes as an attempt to stop criticism by shutting their channels via the 3 strike rule.

Disagree, prove your case, make rebukes, don't silence people.

While I think this leak has been blown out of proportion, & some channels maybe a bit overdramatic, they have to right to express their views. If they used leak footage, for sure, but from what I read, that wasn't the case, you can get copyright strikes just by discussing without any leaked footage.

I cannot support this kind of bullying & authoritarian. Maybe its Sony that did the strike, not ND, if so, ND needs to tell Sony or whoever is silencing people to stop it & remove the strikes.

Surely they have the right to protect their propety and investment. All these videos are based on pre-launch leaks. If they were doing this post launch then i would 100% agree with.

And is an opinion based on out of context small bits of info even a valid opinion? Not really.

 

[pravus]

Lol, I just subscribed to this guy a week or two ago, his movie overviews are so on point.

 

[Rollins]

 

[Rollins]

In case anyone wants to go through them...

 

[timmy-boy]

Judging stories based on bullet points is just wrong. There is a lot of nuance to telling stories. Most stories seem boring or derivative but it's about how it's executed and told that truly makes things stand out. People are within their right to voice their complaints but doing so without experiencing the whole product just seems premature and judgemental.

 

[Razzel]

Judging stories based on bullet points is just wrong. There is a lot of nuance to telling stories. Most stories seem boring or derivative but it's about how it's executed and told that truly makes things stand out. People are within their right to voice their complaints but doing so without experiencing the whole product just seems premature and judgemental.

I don’t agree with this, it completely depends on the information you have. You can’t judge a story AT ALL regardless of how much you know about it beforehand?? C’mon now, that’s ridiculous.

If your argument is you can’t say with 100% absolute certainty they won’t enjoy the story, technically you’re right but that doesn’t make judging the story on the “bullet points” in the leaks premature, especially when they contain giant story spoilers

 

[JinCA]

I don’t agree with this, it completely depends on the information you have. You can’t judge a story AT ALL regardless of how much you know about it beforehand?? C’mon now, that’s ridiculous.

If your argument is you can’t say with 100% absolute certainty they won’t enjoy the story, technically you’re right but that doesn’t make judging the story on the “bullet points” in the leaks premature, especially when they contain giant story spoilers

The issue is a lot happens between bullet points, also you don't know if that information is still accurate because the game ended up going through quite a few changes during development according to Schreier's story about their crunch issues. We'll see, I'm sure if you broke down some of your favorite games into bullet points they wouldn't sound anywhere near as good to you as they ended up being when you played them.

 

[Razzel]

The issue is a lot happens between bullet points, also you don't know if that information is still accurate because the game ended up going through quite a few changes during development according to Schreier's story about their crunch issues. We'll see, I'm sure if you broke down some of your favorite games into bullet points they wouldn't sound anywhere near as good to you as they ended up being when you played them.

Fair point! Though knowing where character arcs end up and not being able to imagine a scenario where that isn’t disappointing is gonna be pretty hard to overcome. Even worse when combined with some older interviews where Neil talks about his feminist influences, or when voice actors are talking about the importance of an open mind...

Doesn’t look good, but I’m happy for those that are keeping the faith! I think before the leaks almost everyone at least wanted the game to be good

 

[Frozpot]

Itll be interesting to see how "context" makes this a desirable direction for a story who's saving grace was the bond developed between Joel and Ellie. It wasnt an original story and the actual gameplay was just serviceable. It was the characters.

Spoiler

And in typical, nihilistic, postmodern, critical practice, it's all as bout denigrating our heroes. I'm sure they will make Abby very sympathetic. You'll empathize and now the value of those lives are reduced.

Will they tarnish Joel's character? Make Ellie reprehensible in order for you to break your attachment? See! personal connection doesn't mean anything. Your enemy is a person too and just as deserving of your consideration as your loved ones.

The whole is bigger than your paltry circle, go give it up for humanity (this was hinted in the moral grey in the first game) even if its antagonistic toward you? Do you have a right to value your own life? Self sacrifice is a virtue but cannot be morally demanded of you.

I don't like it.

 

[Swede]

I don’t agree with this, it completely depends on the information you have. You can’t judge a story AT ALL regardless of how much you know about it beforehand?? C’mon now, that’s ridiculous.

If your argument is you can’t say with 100% absolute certainty they won’t enjoy the story, technically you’re right but that doesn’t make judging the story on the “bullet points” in the leaks premature, especially when they contain giant story spoilers

The chosen one is born, three men comes with gifts to said child.
Child goes to a temple.
Child grows up, becomes a carpenter.
Child becomes a man.
Man goes to other man and takes a bath.
Man starts giving other people baths, prostitutes are welcomed.
People follow man.
Man tell people that the men they followed earlier are pretty crappy.
Crappy men makes it so chosen one gets nailed to wooden planks.
Man dies.
Man comes back for a few days.
Man leaves.

 

[starseeker]

Surely they have the right to protect their property and investment. All these videos are based on pre-launch leaks. If they were doing this post-launch then I would 100% agree with.

And is an opinion based on out of context small bits of info even a valid opinion? Not really.

People can protect their IP, sure. They can take down people posting leaked IP. No issue. You have not right for people to express their opinion, no matter if you disagree or think it's false. If it's false, it's your job to rebuke it, not silence people. When you silence people, you are not telling them that they lied, but you telling others you are worried about what they said. If they present something illegals, like show someone credit card details, then they should be taken down, but only because it is illegal.

If someone leaks a video of a famous person doing something inappropriate. Are we not allow to discuss these awful actions, because the video is private?
If someone attacks your company & damages its reputation, you have the legal rights to sue & proof they maliciously lied. There must be due process. You cannot just shut them down.

You cannot support freedom of speech & said only certain opinions are allowed. If falsehood or misleading is a valid reason to take down content, then no politician/lawyer/journalist will be allowed on social media, & 1/2 of channels on Youtube providing opinion should be shut down.

Lying, insults are allowed if you believed in freedom of speech. Do I like them? hell no, but the difference between calling out/discourage lies & insults & demand banning them is Good advice/decency vs Authoritarianism.

The greater issue is that once you turn an eye or even support censorship against views you deem wrong or dislike, next will come censorship of things you agree or wanted to be heard.

 

[starseeker]

Within a week, the game turned from delayed infinitely to turned gold. Nothing fishy guys.

 

[menace-uk-]

People can protect their IP, sure. They can take down people posting leaked IP. No issue. You have not right for people to express their opinion, no matter if you disagree or think it's false. If it's false, it's your job to rebuke it, not silence people. When you silence people, you are not telling them that they lied, but you telling others you are worried about what they said. If they present something illegals, like show someone credit card details, then they should be taken down, but only because it is illegal.

If someone leaks a video of a famous person doing something inappropriate. Are we not allow to discuss these awful actions, because the video is private?
If someone attacks your company & damages its reputation, you have the legal rights to sue & proof they maliciously lied. There must be due process. You cannot just shut them down.

You cannot support freedom of speech & said only certain opinions are allowed. If falsehood or misleading is a valid reason to take down content, then no politician/lawyer/journalist will be allowed on social media, & 1/2 of channels on Youtube providing opinion should be shut down.

Lying, insults are allowed if you believed in freedom of speech. Do I like them? hell no, but the difference between calling/discourage lies & insults & banning them is Good advice/decency vs Authoritarianism.

The greater issue is that once you turn an eye or even support censorship against views you deem wrong or dislike, next will come censorship of things you agree or wanted to be heard.

Agaiin, though. We are talking about stuff that shouldn't be out there for people to have an opinion of again, if this was post launch, and based onn the whole story within context then I 100% agree with you. It isn't like this here where only 10 people look in here.

These youtubers amount to millions and millions of people, and all they are doing is damaging the reputation of a company and their successful product by throwing around negative opinions based on incomplete and out of context info.

You mean like how Amber Heard showed pics of Depp's abuse and everybody jumps on Depp but then it turns out Heard was the abusive one?

And it isn'tthat I support what they are doing. But they have to do something. Sueing people takes time and doesn't help now. It would be nice if youtubers better regulated tthemselves.

 

[Rollins]

Man, the comments are rough! Might be spoilers in them, be careful.

 

[Swede]

Man, the comments are rough! Might be spoilers in them, be careful.

I feel sorry for Cuckman, his entire vision got f***ed by a real world pandemic and non woke peoples rage.
Honestly, I think it's wrong to say that the fans are entitled to a better story, but this prob won't go down like marvel/ Disney woke and somehow reach groundbreaking sales.... judging by the backlash and the practically non existent defenders, this will flop.

 

[eVo7]

I had the Collectors edition pre ordered a long time ago and canceled my preorder yesterday. I do not support Cuckmann's and ND's agenda driven narrative with this game nor do I support the story decisions.

 

[Frozpot]

The chosen one is born, three men comes with gifts to said child.
Child goes to a temple.
Child grows up, becomes a carpenter.
Child becomes a man.
Man goes to other man and takes a bath.
Man starts giving other people baths, prostitutes are welcomed.
People follow man.
Man tell people that the men they followed earlier are pretty crappy.
Crappy men makes it so chosen one gets nailed to wooden planks.
Man dies.
Man comes back for a few days.
Man leaves.

Not quite the same, especially since you are using over-simplifying language. The leaks are pretty specific and not like this (even has video). Plus we are familiar with the characters. We already know them.

What context makes it cool for them to be treated this way? Oh right, they'll be written differently. Your enemy will always think they are in the right. Doesn't mean they won't try to kill you.

 

[Rollins]

 

[Rollins]

I missed the first part in the spoilers I read.

This is a major, major spoiler but it makes the plot even worse IMO.

Spoiler: Major ridiculous plot spoiler

Both Joel and Ellie are killed by a transgender character that still looks like a guy. Then apparently you play as that character..?

 

[Rollins]

Ouch

 

[Swede]

Not quite the same, especially since you are using over-simplifying language. The leaks are pretty specific and not like this (even has video). Plus we are familiar with the characters. We already know them.

What context makes it cool for them to be treated this way? Oh right, they'll be written differently. Your enemy will always think they are in the right. Doesn't mean they won't try to kill you.

Didn't mean anything by it, just let my simple mind wonder for a bit lol
I agree with you.

 

[Frozpot]

I missed the first part in the spoilers I read.

This is a major, major spoiler but it makes the plot even worse IMO.

Spoiler: Major ridiculous plot spoiler

Both Joel and Ellie are killed by a transgender character that still looks like a guy. Then apparently you play as that character..?

To be fair

Spoiler

the trans thing has yet to be fully confirmed, right? Not that I think it isn't exactly who the character is supposed represent. It's the hot topic for SJWs now, so kinda a no-brain (sorry Joel, no pun intended)

 

[Rollins]

To be fair

Spoiler

the trans thing has yet to be fully confirmed, right? Not that I think it isn't exactly who the character is supposed represent. It's the hot topic for SJWs now, so kinda a no-brain (sorry Joel, no pun intended)

Ah that makes sense, I was wondering why I hadn’t seen it originally. I hope that’s not true, but we’ll see.

I have to say, story aside, on a technical level the animation really looks a step above anything I’ve seen before.

 

[Frozpot]

Ah that makes sense, I was wondering why I hadn’t seen it originally. I hope that’s not true, but we’ll see.

I have to say, story aside, on a technical level the animation really looks a step above anything I’ve seen before.

I know, and it's a damn shame. I might pick it up for half off down the line just for that, but I wont support it at full price.

 

[Rollins]

I know, and it's a damn shame. I might pick it up for half off down the line just for that, but I wont support it at full price.

The sales will be interesting. I know it’ll sell well, especially initially, but there seem to be a ton of fans in the comment sections of various vids saying they won’t buy it.

 

[Two Pennys Worth]

Ah that makes sense, I was wondering why I hadn’t seen it originally. I hope that’s not true, but we’ll see.

I have to say, story aside, on a technical level the animation really looks a step above anything I’ve seen before.

That’s what’s really upsetting. The game looks like a technical masterpiece. I will play the game for that alone but I refuse to pay a penny to ND because I’m ideologically against the far left route the studio has gone down so although I will play it at some point solely for the technical quality of the game, I’ll be damned if I would contribute a penny to the studio/publisher who thinks it’s okay to force me to pay to be insulted. Will definitely wait until I can buy it preowned.