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Facts aren't hard. People who get misinformation choose to live in a bubble. It is willful ignorance.

What happens is a lot less about lies and more about filters. People filter the facts to make things seem lopsided. Social media is a filter and people use it to ignore the things they don't like.
Remember the first point I made. Everyone think they have the facts. This also apply to them thinking the sources where they get the „facts“ are facts.

I have study indoctrination and influence for the past 5 years in my free Time, and the I can tell you the misinformation, and lies spreading around are massive. i used to think I am too smart to be lied too, and smart People don’t believe lies easily. I was wrong. Smart people are just better at convincing themselves of the things they want to be „facts„. Just look at the console vs thread.

If you disagree, I have one word „ religion“. Do you believe there are smart people from every major faith. Fair point right?
Yet These very smart people are convinced that their religion ( which is often geo centric) is the true one. But they cannot all be true since the religions contradict in their belief.

 

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Crazy soulless ginger telling others not to believe what objective media, morally superior celebrities, have our best interest at heart politicians & experts (You know they are expert because they said they believe in science), but instead listen to your guts & make up your own mind, & not other be control of your life & thoughts.

Sorry, I will stick to listening to the authority of people who know better than me and have my best interests. I will not be crazy overthinking each action with controversial toxic methods like rationality, common sense, talking to real people, & form the ridiculous idea that most people are decent, opposing the truth people better than me told me.

Problem with the logic of just listening to your gut instincts is that our gut instincts can be biased and lead really bad decisions. This can be tested really quickly by playing the stock market with only your "instincts". Not that instincts are bad but untrained ones most definitely are so just a blanket statement of trusting of ones gut and instincts is reckless.

And this video is obviously referring in context to covid without saying it is, which is allowing him to give off what may come off insightful thoughts to those who handover agency of thier will very easily. All those things sound good, like if I say driving my car 100mph is hella fun why should I not do that? But don't give the context of a busy street verses a race track, one of these is a bad idea the other isn't. Going outside is great, no one will argue that who is rational but going outside and getting in the face of someone who is high risk right now is not a good idea.
 

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Remember the first point I made. Everyone think they have the facts. This also apply to them thinking the sources where they get the „facts“ are facts.

I have study indoctrination and influence for the past 5 years in my free Time, and the I can tell you the misinformation, and lies spreading around are massive. i used to think I am too smart to be lied too, and smart People don’t believe lies easily. I was wrong. Smart people are just better at convincing themselves of the things they want to be „facts„. Just look at the console vs thread.

If you disagree, I have one word „ religion“. Do you believe there are smart people from every major faith. Fair point right?
Yet These very smart people are convinced that their religion ( which is often geo centric) is the true one. But they cannot all be true since the religions contradict in their belief.

I think specific cases need to be represented when discussing misinformation and lies. When there is a tragic event like a fire or hurricane, the media overall is fine with these events except for maybe over coverage. If its the economy, then they have been historically more reticent to be critical of wall street and big business, leaving out important information people should hear.
 

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Problem with the logic of just listening to your gut instincts is that our gut instincts can be biased and lead really bad decisions. This can be tested really quickly by playing the stock market with only your "instincts". Not that instincts are bad but untrained ones most definitely are so just a blanket statement of trusting of ones gut and instincts is reckless.
An easy way to understand Gut Instincts is to go shopping at the store while you're hungry.
 
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I think specific cases need to be represented when discussing misinformation and lies. When there is a tragic event like a fire or hurricane, the media overall is fine with these events except for maybe over coverage. If its the economy, then they have been historically more reticent to be critical of wall street and big business, leaving out important information people should hear.
News are okay when there isn’t a ideological and political frame to it, like some random death in some random countries. I made a joke but it’s also sadly true is what make the Headline news ain‘t so much about severity or importance of a news, but the clickbaitness of it, or they fit the agenda. Journalists have widely become activists. You can be an activist ( by all means) or a journalist, but you cannot be both at same time. the people who supposed to give us news and information cannot be the same people that promote an agenda. You cannot be a Car reviewer and work for mercedes ( does this make sense).
 

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Problem with the logic of just listening to your gut instincts is that our gut instincts can be biased and lead really bad decisions. This can be tested really quickly by playing the stock market with only your "instincts". Not that instincts are bad but untrained ones most definitely are so just a blanket statement of trusting of ones gut and instincts is reckless.

And this video is obviously referring in context to covid without saying it is, which is allowing him to give off what may come off insightful thoughts to those who handover agency of thier will very easily. All those things sound good, like if I say driving my car 100mph is hella fun why should I not do that? But don't give the context of a busy street verses a race track, one of these is a bad idea the other isn't. Going outside is great, no one will argue that who is rational but going outside and getting in the face of someone who is high risk right now is not a good idea.
I know what you mean. There is a position between the extreme end of believing everything and not believing everything.
 

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News are okay when there isn’t a ideological and political frame to it, like some random death in some random countries. I made a joke but it’s also sadly true is what make the Headline news ain‘t so much about severity or importance of a news, but the clickbaitness of it, or they fit the agenda. Journalists have widely become activists. You can be an activist ( by all means) or a journalist, but you cannot be both at same time. the people who supposed to give us news and information cannot be the same people that promote an agenda. You cannot be a Car reviewer and work for mercedes ( does this make sense).

One of the things I dislike about our election is the debate moderators are network news anchors. So they both create news and later report news.

I'd rather the moderators where academics, economists, or generals participating.
 

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News are okay when there isn’t a ideological and political frame to it, like some random death in some random countries. I made a joke but it’s also sadly true is what make the Headline news ain‘t so much about severity or importance of a news, but the clickbaitness of it, or they fit the agenda. Journalists have widely become activists. You can be an activist ( by all means) or a journalist, but you cannot be both at same time. the people who supposed to give us news and information cannot be the same people that promote an agenda. You cannot be a Car reviewer and work for mercedes ( does this make sense).
Yea money in politics is a problem and journalism that relies on advertising are both big problems because of the biases they create. This is also a problem with influencers over social media because either they receive free loot from companies or they grift with clickbait or having diametrically opposing views to claim they have sacred knowledge. People need to harden and do thier own research as much as possible to overcome these issues but like especially here in America we live in such a workaholic society its hard to find the time to be informed.
 
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If you disagree, I have one word „ religion“. Do you believe there are smart people from every major faith. Fair point right?
Yet These very smart people are convinced that their religion ( which is often geo centric) is the true one. But they cannot all be true since the religions contradict in their belief.
That's all a choice. Religion likes to mess with free will, but we all have it. A lot of people have bad things happen to them and say it is "God's will", or even worse they do something bad and defend it by saying it is "God's will".

We have free will so the choices are our own. People choose faith. When a politician who has an affair with a porn star says "I'm chosen by God" people choose to believe that.

That's willful ignorance. They aren't manipulated (for the most part) they choose their path.

Facts. Aren't. Hard. People try and gaslight us every day, but the facts are out there if we choose them. Occam's razor is a great guide. The simplest solution that the facts point to is usually right.
 

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We have free will so the choices are our own. People choose faith. When a politician who has an affair with a porn star says "I'm chosen by God" people choose to believe that.

That's willful ignorance. They aren't manipulated (for the most part) they choose their path.
People believe everything he did is good is no different than people who think everything he does is bad. It's just a different side of ignorance. Politics & religion are interchangeable these days. They think they are right & others are dumb or ignorant.

Anyway its a topic too big & too serious to discuss in a game forum. But I linked some videos for people interested in the subject of influence & manipulations by people more expert than me.

Edit: If you have time, watch the video I post below about Astroturfing.
 
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Yea money in politics is a problem and journalism that relies on advertising are both big problems because of the biases they create. This is also a problem with influencers over social media because either they receive free loot from companies or they grift with clickbait or having diametrically opposing views to claim they have sacred knowledge. People need to harden and do thier own research as much as possible to overcome these issues but like especially here in America we live in such a workaholic society its hard to find the time to be informed.
I agree, but finding facts is not as easy as said, as Astroturf is an art form that has weaponized. You can hear how Astroturf works in this video.
 

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This is a great video that explains how big players like google collude with media using "fake news" to censor political opposition, & more.

Just to be clear, I don't have any political affiliation or "side", because I believe every issue must be taken individually, & I believe in individual, not groupthink. I hope that people can see how the big players (whoever side) are manipulating us emotionally & how they do it.
 
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I agree, but finding facts is not as easy as said, as Astroturf is an art form that has weaponized. You can hear how Astroturf works in this video.
Understanding what you don't know is just as important as what you do know. In a situation like that, I would know that I don't know everything, and make a decision based on that.

Seeing conflicting information is a fact in itself. Contradictory information is a fact, that shows someone is lying or wrong.
 

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Understanding what you don't know is just as important as what you do know. In a situation like that, I would know that I don't know everything, and make a decision based on that.

Seeing conflicting information is a fact in itself. Contradictory information is a fact, that shows someone is lying or wrong.
Fair points.
 

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alright rant / meme time




There is an awful vacuous nature to modern media. It mostly exists more for visual engagement, branding, and advertising then for delivering meaningful news content or especially dialogue. I kind of feel like visually network news is like a mental screen saver.

I think many of us feel a frustration with a strange effect going on where people can't have thoughtful discourse anymore, especially on social media, but instead everything turns into polarized rage posting or trolling between the differing sides. I keep thinking that this guy McLuhan had a strong vision of the direction things were going. The propagation of ideologies is one part, but we also live in an increasingly vast media environment that has huge affects on us yet is rarely discussed outside the next iteration or in some cases videogames and VR.

These systems are overseen by short sighted morons like Mark Zuckerberg who seems to have zero appreciation for the idea that being informed on sociology might be a good idea when crafting these social networks. I think the people who run network news are just as stupid.

The most surprising thing is I think Joe Rogan stumbled across how to make long form discussion work and it blows my mind that network news continues to do the opposite cramming and many people onto a busy screen as they can on a panel discussion so people can talk over each other.


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Video of Asus motherboard. Shame someone insists to stand in front of the camera blocking the view of the motherboard. :really: