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yeah because they have the young talent overcome the "legends" where as WWE makes them champions for months ;)

Jericho hasnt been involved in the title scene since his initial run to promote the new promotion, and people like Sting have only gone on to prove how you can effectively use legends. Where as here is WWE still putting Goldberg in a main event title match! who the f*** wants to see that? beating goldberg means nothing now, Brock is atleast still a draw and his matches have "dangerous" feel about them where as Goldberg matches have "dangerous" feel too but for all the wrong reasons :laugh:
Goldberg sucks and Jericho sucks lol both promotions are making stupid choices, it took WWE years to finally let Roman Reigns be a heel and now he's killing it, his angle is the best thing that promotion has going right now so of course they need to f*** it up with attention whore John Cena lol.

As far as Jericho it's fun to laugh at him because he's an idiot, he can't perform his old style anymore but still tries and looks terrible doing it, he says stupid s*** outside of the ring all the time and the fact that he lied about that not being a crash pad he landed on is hilarious. You can even see the big square he had to land on from the top camera angle lol, if he really hurt his elbow it's because he put it down too early and too much weight was on it and not him hitting the hard side part as Dave rat face Meltzer said.
 

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Yeah I actually watched like all of RAW last night, and really enjoyed it for the most part....with one of the exceptions being Karrion Kross.

Now, I don't personally care for him too much, but come on wtf was that. First off, no Scarlett with him, which is just a stupid ass mistake. Secondly, his entrance was legitimately dumb. Thirdly, that's how he takes his first loss? I get that he'll probably get the win back at Summer Slam or something, and probably have Scarlett in his corner and all that, but what a weird way to do anything. Makes him look like a dork immediately.

In addition to that, Goldberg is whatever. He's a dangerous worker who's past his prime, but the crowd still loves him, and the casuals still love him. He got a pop last night, and tbh from me too. My only issue is if he beats Bobby Lashley, which he shouldn't. He'll have a fun hoss match for five mins and hopefully Lashley gets the rub.

Was nice seeing Keith Lee back though I gotta say. Sucks his match wasn't amazing or anything, but it was great to have him back.
 

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Goldberg sucks and Jericho sucks lol both promotions are making stupid choices, it took WWE years to finally let Roman Reigns be a heel and now he's killing it, his angle is the best thing that promotion has going right now so of course they need to f*** it up with attention whore John Cena lol.
Jericho is extremely solid on the mic and commentary. For that reason alone I'm fine with him being around. Do agree with him not being a great wrestler anymore, but he still draws so idk.


Roman vs Cena actually is really exciting. I popped when he came back on Sunday and I'm really looking forward to the promos and match they'll have. Roman will get the win, don't worry about it.
 

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Jericho is extremely solid on the mic and commentary. For that reason alone I'm fine with him being around. Do agree with him not being a great wrestler anymore, but he still draws so idk.


Roman vs Cena actually is really exciting. I popped when he came back on Sunday and I'm really looking forward to the promos and match they'll have. Roman will get the win, don't worry about it.
Jericho is a clown on commentary, I find his voice very annoying and his reactions to things just sound so fake to me. I've never been a big fan of his though, I liked him when he was in WCW back in the day but I've found his mic skills to be highly overrated, the only really good stuff he had in WWE was with Stephanie way back when and his silly list thing that caught on.

The thing with Cena is you know he's either going to lose or he'll win and then lose the rematch, he's part time and getting older and let's face it he wasn't actually good in the ring when he was at his best. He's the only guy I know that can attempt a death valley driver but end up executing a standing fireman's carry and call it a finisher lol.
 

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Watched the AEW youtube show that came out today, pretty much only ever watch the stuff with the Acclaimed, they were entertaining as usual and had a pretty funny rap before the match and a good promo after, they were in an 8 man tag again instead of a straigh up tag team match though for like the 3rd time in a row.

 

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Jericho is a clown on commentary, I find his voice very annoying and his reactions to things just sound so fake to me. I've never been a big fan of his though, I liked him when he was in WCW back in the day but I've found his mic skills to be highly overrated, the only really good stuff he had in WWE was with Stephanie way back when and his silly list thing that caught on.

The thing with Cena is you know he's either going to lose or he'll win and then lose the rematch, he's part time and getting older and let's face it he wasn't actually good in the ring when he was at his best. He's the only guy I know that can attempt a death valley driver but end up executing a standing fireman's carry and call it a finisher lol.
I don't exactly disagree that Cena could ham it up in the ring, but when he actually cared about a program he was awesome. See CM Punk, AJ Styles, Edge, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar (including the squash match where he did the job), Bray Wyatt (Firefly Funhouse only tbh. MAYBE his first match with him when he lost), Dean Ambrose.

Earlier in his career yeah John Cena was Super Cena and it sucked, but around like 2015 he started pumping the brakes and most of his matches were awesome. The US Title Open Challenge I think is what did it for me to be an actual fan of his, because before that I didn't care. s*** man just thinking about how awesome that open challenge match with Cesaro was still makes me a mark.


"Fine speech"
 

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I don't exactly disagree that Cena could ham it up in the ring, but when he actually cared about a program he was awesome. See CM Punk, AJ Styles, Edge, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar (including the squash match where he did the job), Bray Wyatt (Firefly Funhouse only tbh. MAYBE his first match with him when he lost), Dean Ambrose.

Earlier in his career yeah John Cena was Super Cena and it sucked, but around like 2015 he started pumping the brakes and most of his matches were awesome. The US Title Open Challenge I think is what did it for me to be an actual fan of his, because before that I didn't care. s*** man just thinking about how awesome that open challenge match with Cesaro was still makes me a mark.


"Fine speech"
It was usually his opponents that made the matches awesome, especially that Cesaro match IMO his in ring work is passable but clumsy and awkward, his skill on the mic are what gets people into what he's doing. That being said that howdy doody face is so punchable I just can't stand looking at him lol.
 

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So that Japanese promotion title that Moxley held can be lost by count out, that's fine but why did the other guy win when his feet were on the apron? the only parts of him that were in the ring were his arm and his ass because they were on the ropes but not a single part of the guy was actually inside the ring so how was he considered the winner?

Sammy Guevara looked like a total idiot running down to stop Tully Blanchard tonight, such a fake facial expression, he's so much better when he's not trying to look like a "good guy" and Jericho was so bloated it was hilarious watching the 3 minutes of his match I saw, not only that but that "back elbow" that's more like a soft shoulder blade bump to the face is one of the worst finishers I've ever seen. I really wish he'd retire or at least stick to being a manager type.
 
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If this is real I'll buy their PPV's straight up no questions asked. Like legit love him so much I'd actually watch AEW weekly. Also, the New York show referenced here is on 9/22, and it's just an episode of Dynamite.

 

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Daniel Bryan is kind of old new now isn't he? His WWE stuff was already fading, this isn't the yes movement era anymore. His matches are basically the same thing all the time, at least they have good psychology to them but I don't get why he's such a big deal, it looks kind of 2nd rate to constantly be taking another companies rejects and then acting as if you have something big. One thing he needs to stop is those off the top rope headbutts, it's one of the fakest moves in wrestling anyway and it can actually hurt the guy executing it pretty badly. If I had a promotion I would ban top rope headbutts, Spanish fly, Canadian destroyer, atomic bomb and anything on the top rope that takes more than 5 seconds to set up once both people are up there.

I really couldn't care less about CM Punk, they'll regret that signing within 2 months, once they ask him to do something he doesn't want to do his diva side will come out and that'll be it.
 

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Saw a clip of Reigns promo from Smackdown tonight, he is SOOOO much better on the mic as a heel.

 
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Daniel Bryan is kind of old new now isn't he? His WWE stuff was already fading, this isn't the yes movement era anymore. His matches are basically the same thing all the time, at least they have good psychology to them but I don't get why he's such a big deal, it looks kind of 2nd rate to constantly be taking another companies rejects and then acting as if you have something big. One thing he needs to stop is those off the top rope headbutts, it's one of the fakest moves in wrestling anyway and it can actually hurt the guy executing it pretty badly. If I had a promotion I would ban top rope headbutts, Spanish fly, Canadian destroyer, atomic bomb and anything on the top rope that takes more than 5 seconds to set up once both people are up there.

I really couldn't care less about CM Punk, they'll regret that signing within 2 months, once they ask him to do something he doesn't want to do his diva side will come out and that'll be it.
thats all great but those 2 would be an enormous signing for AEW no matter what your opinion is of them

i dont think it will increase their viewers too much but it will keep them above 1m more consistently. CM Punk is the bigger and more exciting signing of the 2, mainly cause we haven't seen him for 7 years and his promos and matches have way more freedom without the PG crap
 

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thats all great but those 2 would be an enormous signing for AEW no matter what your opinion is of them

i dont think it will increase their viewers too much but it will keep them above 1m more consistently. CM Punk is the bigger and more exciting signing of the 2, mainly cause we haven't seen him for 7 years and his promos and matches have way more freedom without the PG crap
I've never seen him as a great in ring performer, a lot of his stuff looks sloppy and that top rope elbow he does is awful. He's better with the promos and setting the story for sure but he's also a bit of an entitled prick so we'll see how it goes.
 

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Your AEW champion! As a gay man I think this is silly and as a wrestling fan I think it embarrassing. The "gay" stuff is all just for show and is not meant to move any cause forward it's just to shock people and it's goofy and wrestling with a blow up doll? c'mon how is this guy the face (and VP) of a well funded promotion?
 

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Punk was solid in the ring but yes the elbow always looked weak but he could tell a story and carry a match and was quality on the mic. Problem for him now is everyone knows he can't fight for s***.
Bryan is simply class and at this stage clearly just wants to be able to wrestle certain people and you can't blame him.
 
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Honestly, I think Punk's career is pretty distinguished. He knew how to tell a story but turn up the heat and wrestle in competitive style matches. I can honestly say I was never bored during a Punk match. Hard to say how Punk will fare now that he's in his 40s, but if committed, he could probably do a year or two, maybe more, and end his career on a far more memorable footnote than the Royal Rumble fiasco, lawsuit, and failed UFC run. Personally, I'd love to see him be a manager type character and bring back the heel manager stable. I could see him doing cross promotional stuff with AEW, Impact, NJPW, etc. as well. I'm not sure where his health is at the moment, last I heard, he was in a much better place physically.
 
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An ideal comparison would be Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage when they went from WWF to WCW. A lot of people thought they were washed up and ended up having massive resurgences in wrestling. I don't think they'll have an angle quite as heavy as the NWO was, but it's something to consider.

Hulkster was 39 and Randy was 42.
Bryan Danielson is 39 and CM Punk is 42.
 

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Punk was solid in the ring but yes the elbow always looked weak but he could tell a story and carry a match and was quality on the mic. Problem for him now is everyone knows he can't fight for s***.
Bryan is simply class and at this stage clearly just wants to be able to wrestle certain people and you can't blame him.
Punk is just an ass, yeah the pipe bomb thing was great but he's so full of himself it's pathetic and he's not as good as he thinks he is. Bryan is the better of the two but are the fans just going to start doing the Yes thing again or will they buy whatever Khan comes up with? Bryan's appeal a lot of the time was that he was an underdog, half of AEW's roster is his size so that won't be the case most of the time.
 

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You can see why Adam Cole has 0 intention of moving from NXT. Lee just needs to go back or to Smackdown to be used correctly
 

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Domino's pizza isn't happy with AEW's pizza cutter spot the other night, that match was just stupid and if Khan keeps booking that kind of thing on a national cable show he's going to find a bunch of advertisers leaving.

https://wrestlingheadlines.com/domi...-stunt-in-new-statement-may-pull-advertising/

“We share the concerns expressed about this incident and the content of this TV-14 rated program, and are assessing our advertising presence on it going forward,” said Domino’s spokeswoman Jenny Fouracre-Petko.

It was noted that the family-friendly pizza brand might also pull its advertising schedule from AEW programming.
 
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Pretty clearly a callback to Matt Cardona vs Nick Gage when someone threw a pizza cutter at Cardona when he won.
But who knows that? lol a few people who watch that garbage stuff online, most wresting fans don't follow that stuff. There is a reason indie wrestling would never get a tv deal. I just think Khan tries way too hard with these gimmick matches, at some point they are going to run out of ways to "top themselves" and the audience will get bored because he's conditioned them into thinking he's basically running ECW with a budget.