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I don't count death threats between rabid fanboys. But I guess that's not fair to you, so I'll let it slide. You need to fill that catalog, after all.

Death counts only count when you say so? That says it all. You are too biased towards Xbox to look at this honestly.
 
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Death counts only count when you say so? That says it all. You are too biased towards Xbox to look at this honestly.

The Frank O'Conner one was a good example of what I meant when we were talking about which is worse.

I wonder why I'd count that and not a death threat among rabid fanboys dedicating their twitter and YT to fanboying.

I mean, a death threat against a developer or voice actress or gamer is the same as against a rabid fanboy who dedicates all his time to antagonize others, right?

But my reasoning is crazy. I am too Xbox biased.
 
Just so we’re clear, death threats are not okay. They should be taken seriously. A person’s or persons’ overall gross behavior does not excuse or reduce the harm induced by such threats. Neither does making distinctions based on who such threats are made against.
 
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Just so we’re clear, death threats are not okay. They should be taken seriously. A person’s or persons’ overall gross behavior does not excuse or reduce the harm induced by such threats. Neither does making distinctions based on who such threats are made against.

Look, I've never said saying death threats are ever "ok". But I do think that there's a distinction bewteen receiving them when you're working or minding your own damn business instead of when you dedicate your life basically being a light hooligan for plastic and videogames..
 
The Frank O'Conner one was a good example of what I meant when we were talking about which is worse.

I wonder why I'd count that and not a death threat among rabid fanboys dedicating their twitter and YT to fanboying.

I mean, a death threat against a developer or voice actress or gamer is the same as against a rabid fanboy who dedicates all his time to antagonize others, right?

But my reasoning is crazy. I am too Xbox biased.

Well you said you don't count them. I think there is a difference between saying they don't count and saying there is a distinction. At the end of the day its a toxic love of a console that makes no sense to a rational person. Does it even make sense to take a couple people on each side and compare which death threat is worse? Of course not and that is without considering that we are talking about such a small number of people. The reality is the general behavior of a fanboy isn't death threats and that general behavior is the same. But we even see with the Frank O'Conner situation that even the worst of the worst is the same because why wouldn't it be? The consoles are very similar and they appeal to very similar people.
 
Well, before we get too crazy, they have consistently carried one of the highest payrolls year after year to buy talent for their winning teams.

Yup
No player signs with a team in a high tax state without the huge over pay. Spending money is a requirement to compete for most teams.
Doesn't matter what the pay role is. Fact is the Yankees are the Greatest Baseball franchise in American Baseball history.
For example the Red Sox are also a great organization that carries a high pay role. Nothing wrong with paying players.
Other Great Sports Franchises are the Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Packers, 49ers etc.
 
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No player signs with a team in a high tax state without the huge over pay. Spending money is a requirement to compete for most teams.
Doesn't matter what the pay role is. Fact is the Yankees are the Greatest Baseball franchise in American Baseball history.

I would certainly hope so. If you’re going to pay to win, then it would be best to win.

In all seriousness though, the payroll does matter. One of the core reasons that led to the strike was the grievances over how much power owners had to build teams through high salaries as compared to the small market teams. There was a distinct disadvantage issue. Ultimately, it led to the luxury tax imposed on teams for exceeding the salary threshold. If it didn’t matter, the threshold would not have been set and subsequent tax for going over it. Regardless, it doesn’t really make much a difference. The large market teams continue to pay to win, often spending more money on one or two players than other teams’ entire roster.

They are clearly not affected too much by it. They probably make enough money through merchandising to offset any sting they would feel from the tax. Especially considering those markets have so many bandwagon fans.
 
Yup
No player signs with a team in a high tax state without the huge over pay. Spending money is a requirement to compete for most teams.
Doesn't matter what the pay role is. Fact is the Yankees are the Greatest Baseball franchise in American Baseball history.
For example the Red Sox are also a great organization that carries a high pay role. Nothing wrong with paying players.
Other Great Sports Franchises are the Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Packers, 49ers etc.
Packers? Really?
 
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No player signs with a team in a high tax state without the huge over pay. Spending money is a requirement to compete for most teams.
Doesn't matter what the pay role is. Fact is the Yankees are the Greatest Baseball franchise in American Baseball history.
For example the Red Sox are also a great organization that carries a high pay role. Nothing wrong with paying players.
Other Great Sports Franchises are the Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Packers, 49ers etc.
f00k those teams(except the lakers and celtics)
 
I would certainly hope so. If you’re going to pay to win, then it would be best to win.

In all seriousness though, the payroll does matter. One of the core reasons that led to the strike was the grievances over how much power owners had to build teams through high salaries as compared to the small market teams. There was a distinct disadvantage issue. Ultimately, it led to the luxury tax imposed on teams for exceeding the salary threshold. If it didn’t matter, the threshold would not have been set and subsequent tax for going over it. Regardless, it doesn’t really make much a difference. The large market teams continue to pay to win, often spending more money on one or two players than other teams’ entire roster.

They are clearly not affected too much by it. They probably make enough money through merchandising to offset any sting they would feel from the tax. Especially considering those markets have so many bandwagon fans.

Considering the bolded, that's exactly my point, just because you spend a lot of money doesn't mean you're winning all the time.
There is a lot more to it as proven by teams that spend and lose and teams that barely spend such as the Florida Marlins that have already won 2 world series chips.

I would be OK with a Hard Cap in Baseball if it excludes the tax rate.
So Players would still bring home the same amount of money at the end of the day.
Set a hard cap that doesn't include the amount of taxes being paid out. This way it would truly be an even playing field.
 
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f00k those teams(except the lakers and celtics)

I see you're a basketball fan. I love some basketball too.
Wish the NBA officiated players equally. Having separate rules for star players and average joe players is not what I call fair sport.
Still, I love me some basketball.
 
Considering the bolded, that's exactly my point, just because you spend a lot of money doesn't mean you're winning all the time.
There is a lot more to it as proven by teams that spend and lose and teams that barely spend such as the Florida Marlins that have already won 2 world series chips.

I would be OK with a Hard Cap in Baseball if it excludes the tax rate.
So Players would still bring home the same amount of money at the end of the day.
Set a hard cap that doesn't include the amount of taxes being paid out. This way it would truly be an even playing field.

It’s clearly an exception to the norm though if you’re strictly speaking of World Series wins. Yes, as I said, if you’re paying to win, I would hope you are actually winning, but that’s only a metric regarding accomplishment. Those at a disadvantage do win sometimes, but they weren’t any less disadvantaged while doing so.
 
What you're all talking about is trabalism. Playing on one piece of plastic doesn't automatically pass on the fanboyism virus. People are tribal about everything they think defines them. Good marketing will make people feel more defined by their plastic, phone, car, work uniform, etc. Associating yourself with either the bigger or smaller group can lead to certain characteristics being more common.

In the end, no piece of plastic in of itself leads to fanboyism. Circumstances around that plastic may lead to differing levels of confidence or aggression from people more prone to be tribal or who tie up their self worth in external things.

In the end, if you tie your happiness and self worth to the success of a mega corporation who makes something you consume, you should step back and potentially think about deprogramming yourself. It's not a good way to live.

Of course I say this as someone whos been guilty myself. Nothing wrong with admitting it and making change. I no longer tie my happiness to my s***ty Detroit sports teams. Led to a better life. Hopefully Xbox does well enough to stay in business but outside of that, "winning" doesn't f***ing matter. Last time they won, they began to suck. Just do well enough to keep investors investing.

That said, tribalism is taking the fun out of gaming right now. It should be an escape. I dont find the sport of console wars interesting enough to be worth adding drama around this hobby.
 
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Hopefully Xbox does well enough to stay in business but outside of that, "winning" doesn't f***ing matter. Last time they won, they began to suck.

This is a pretty good visual representation of that:

 
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There's is nothing wrong with hoping a company that puts out products you like are successful in their ventures.

It's the people that want corporations to fail so that their favorite corporation has a monopoly or very little competition that it becomes stupid.
 
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