I'll say that if MS can show a discernable difference in upcoming juggernauts on Scorpio, Sony 3rd party partnerships may not have quite the impact they think it will. If you add DF to the band, even more so.
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No media bias at all from N4G
The media bias stems from the hate people have for anything successful. Apple, Starbucks, and Dominos all get the same treatment. They're seen as the big corporation that's a threat to their beloved local businesses. Sony is the media darling and is the true underdog despite their success.
Every time an Xbox fanboy hammers home the point that Microsoft has more money than Sony it only drives that narrative. People want to see Sony succeed because they have to succeed. Microsoft can fall flat on their face and still pick themselves up. Nobody feels bad for a billionaire. Nothing can change that perception. It is what it is.
This is nearly completely impossible just like with the PS4 and the XB1 the differences are likely to be that of two different PCs build recentlyish to different specs. The days of differences like the PS2 and XBOX are over, they where practically different generations the PS4 Pro and Scorpio are more like intergenerational bumps then anything else.
Yeah we haven't hit that Half Life 2/Splinter Cell/Gears of War moment all gen. That "hold crap!" moment.
Have you seen the PhysX demos? They're Nvidia but if something like that could be scaled to Scorpio games, I think that would be the head turning system selling moment for graphic whores. Since many of those types of effects aren't necessarily latency sensitive, hoping that cloud compute comes into play.
This is legit the most compelling, truthful thing you've ever said...EVER. I'm straight having a moment right now. All in my feelings and sh!t....
Agreed on most points, however I think most pro games will have a middle ground that targets 1440-1800p, they're already doing it. If devs decide to give scorpio this treatment at 1440-1800p with 42% more gpu left to play with that could be big differences , not to mention a faster cpu/RAM on top of that.
Well there will be substantial differences if they go 1440p on both systems.
The Scorpio will have more extra headroom to play with as opposed to the PS4 Pro.
Even bigger if devs just target 1080p for *cough* parity.
The system with more headroom will get better and better results. I believe at resolutions under 4K is where the Scorpio will really shine vs native. 1440p/1800p etc....
Native 4K is just too taxing.
EDIT: de3d1 beat me to it.
Im sure there will be big differences, the thing is though they wont be generational differences. Generational differences are generally like orders of magnitude faster with new efficiencies and I don't think we are quite there yet. The real differences will be up to what the devs do with it, I'm sure first party games will shine like they always do.
The real big question now is how much it will cost.
I'm thinking the Scorpio is going to cost $499.
Honestly that is where I peg it. I don't see Microsoft offering a $600 console. That just screams dumb and I think Phil is a smart guy who knows the climate he is trying to market this console in.
As for the differences.
Well the Scorpio has the bandwidth numbers so that means better textures/more detail and also better AA and better framerates due to the CPU.
Yeah, first party games are going to show this more than others.
Honestly that is where I peg it. I don't see Microsoft offering a $600 console. That just screams dumb and I think Phil is a smart guy who knows the climate he is trying to market this console in.
As for the differences.
Well the Scorpio has the bandwidth numbers so that means better textures/more detail and also better AA and better framerates due to the CPU.
Yeah, first party games are going to show this more than others.
More importantly then the bandwidth it has double the ROPs for the AA. Id except there to be broadly 3 category of games on Scorpio.
1. XB1 games running at 4k
2. XB1 games running at 2kish and higher frame rates / other stuff
3. Scorpio titles running at 1080P with more detail / higher frame rates.
In the begging id expect a lot more of the first as its probably the easiest way to port a tittle. As this zombie never ending generation goes on i think youll see more and more of 2 and 3.
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One of my favorite claims made on the DF Scorpio system specs reveal day:
"We built into the hardware the capability of overwriting all bilinear and all trilinear fetches to be anisotropic," Andrew Goossen reveals. "And then we've dialled up the anisotropic all the way up to max. All of our titles by default when you're running on Scorpio, they'll be full anisotropic."
Good quality texture filtering will make a big difference to a large number of Xbox One titles, where typically 4x anisotropic tends to be the balancing point chosen by developers. The leap to 16x, enforced at a system level by the back-compat engine, is a huge boon, especially in concert with the complete lack of screen-tear and smoother overall performance. More good news: this new feature extends to Xbox 360 games too.
"We built into the hardware the capability of overwriting all bilinear and all trilinear fetches to be anisotropic," Andrew Goossen reveals. "And then we've dialled up the anisotropic all the way up to max. All of our titles by default when you're running on Scorpio, they'll be full anisotropic."
Good quality texture filtering will make a big difference to a large number of Xbox One titles, where typically 4x anisotropic tends to be the balancing point chosen by developers. The leap to 16x, enforced at a system level by the back-compat engine, is a huge boon, especially in concert with the complete lack of screen-tear and smoother overall performance. More good news: this new feature extends to Xbox 360 games too.
Minimally if at all really, x86 is a pretty good at running just about anywhere if there where any issues due to cache sizes or what not theres no reason you couldn't 'simulate' or have a bc mode for the CPU given how you are free to change it.
Can't wait to play through the now new and improved definitive edition of RDR again.
Someone brought something similar up in GAF.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=233672925&postcount=7015
Microsoft designed the entire Xbox one ecosystem as a VM - Virtual Machine. The Xbox one, the dashboard, the games etc all run in a virtual environment. This allows Microsoft to abstract all hardware from software - the games are talking to the virtualized hardware, not the physical hardware. The physical hardware is addressed by the VM.
This means many things that are pretty cool.
1. They can update the hardware ( potentially even change hardware vendors!) Without breaking compatibility (they just have to make sure all previously supported system calls are properly wrapped).
2. They can impose "global" changes to the VM. I tell the VM to always supersample, regardless of what the game is programmed to do.
This allows Microsoft to do things like this. It's a super hard, but super advantagous way to design a ecosystem.
Sony codes to the metal, like previous consoles. They could still potentially force a system update that globally enforced a supersample policy at the system level I suppose, but it's much harder for them to ensure it works with all games.
It was announced not too long ago that games like Halo 5, Gears 4, Recore, QB (not entirely sure about this one. I believe it was on the list) and a few others were all going to be running at 4K/60 at launch.
FUD.
We already know that's not true. MS told us. A 30fps game (like FH3) would be 30fps in 4k. All first party Scorpio games being 4k /60 is false.
This logically makes sense going from 30fps / 1080p to -> 60fps / 4k would requires ~8x the pixel pushing power assuming thats the main bottleneck, i think its much more realistic to 4k at whatever the XB1 fps was without many other changes.
Too late tonight. I'll find the article on the morrow. If I'm wrong I'll apologize. If your wrong I want the same.
Are you drunk? Why are you demanding apologies? Is this Val's alternate account??
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