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Yeah that's not going to cut it.

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PS3 was $499

If you wanted the extremely stripped down model.

No Wifi with no official adapter add on option
20GB HDD
No memory card readers

How many people do you know that ever bought the 20GB model PS3? I know exactly 0, they all bought the 60GB.
 
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Sony very well could come away with the power crown, to be sure! But Sony has never been the ones to innovate. Great games, yes, but when it comes to pushing the industry forward technologically and charting new pathways into advanced services and technology, that simply isn't Sony's bag. Never has been if I'm being honest. Its all pretty uncertain at this point but I still say that Phil coming out on stage to reveal the Series X and coming forward with the information we have now, is a bold move. Not one you make if you're not confident in what you have.

He also stated that Xbox has always been about power, since the OG. And he feels they will once again set the benchmark on power once again. "I feel like we've done it again" was his quote.

We'll see.. My money is on Microsoft taking the power crown next gen.
Exactly how I feel.
No way does Phil come out ahead of Sony with this kind of confidence without making sure that Xbox will have the performance crown. Phil knows that the Xbox DNA has always been about having the console performance crown. Phil also knows that losing that performance crown is almost certainly a disaster for the Xbox. When you're already fighting an uphill battle you better bring in the big guns and better tactics. Between XSX, Game Pass, X Cloud and subscriber plans that include hardware for as low as $20 a month it looks like Xbox will have all the special weapons and tactics.

Imagine going into a MS store and signing up for 3 years of Game Pass, XBL and an XSX for $30 a month after a credit check.
 
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Its not praising Microsoft. I do my research. I remember things youve said and have continuously doubted would work - especially if its Xbox related - and the end results. Your track record isnt on point. Plus, we know you fancy Sony, thats cool too, bro. But Im not gonna act like I dont see you when youre throwing shade or downplaying Xbox...anything, really.

Its as common place for you to downplay, fearmonger or throw shade on Xbox topics as the internet itself. I'm just calling a spade a spade. If we need to go done memory lane for a little bit, we can do that. But I dont think we really need to. Thats just your M.O. And frankly, its cool. But you cant get all perplexed when someone calls you out on it. Thats all I'm saying cuzzo.. No disrespect.

You've misquoted me many times and stated positions I haven't taken so yes you have taken what I've said out of context, do you do it every time? no but a lot. I know you are fixated mostly on my saying that most things on the One X wouldn't be 4K and that's what most people were saying, most things aren't in 4K by the way but I admit a lot more things are than I thought would be and I've said that before.
 
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Sony very well could come away with the power crown, to be sure! But Sony has never been the ones to innovate. Great games, yes, but when it comes to pushing the industry forward technologically and charting new pathways into advanced services and technology, that simply isnt Sony's bag.
Well... they did introduce bluray...
 
You've misquoted me many times and states positions I haven't taken so yes you have taken what I've said out of context. Do you do it every time? no but you've done it often enough for me to notice it. I know you are fixated mostly on my saying that most things on the One X wouldn't be 4K and that's what most people were saying, most things aren't in 4K by the way but I admit a lot more things are than I thought would be and I've said that before.
Majority of games are 4k though
 
Are you just trolling me bro?

He's either having fun with you or willfully ignoring that 2X doesn't necessarily mean 12TF when comparing the different GPU capabilities. It may well be 12TF but I think Spencer would flat out say that if that were the case. That's a point the DF guys keep making about them not talking up the TF number because it sort of doesn't matter and it won't sound as impressive as it really is.
 
Majority of games are 4k though

No they aren't, we've been over this lol. Most are variable resolution, not even all of the first party games are native 4K. I don't think you should count games as 4K because they display that res when you point at the clouds and nothing else lol. A lot of games are, it's punching above it's weight for sure but it's not majority native 4K.
 
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No the aren't, we've been over this lol. Most are variable resolution, not even all of the first party games are native 4K. I don't think you should count games as 4K because they display that res when you point at the clouds and nothing else lol. A lot of games are, it's punching above it's weight for sure but it's not majority native 4K.
The majority are native 4k games, on the X.
 
Dig this, you wanker! f*** I hate you sometimes, dude!....FUK!! j/k

Anyway...



So 4x's the processing power of the X. I cant with this right now...


That's the CPU and he's clarified that before, hell it's in the video you kept telling Val to watch lol.
 
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Lol that arrogant, feminine guy, what an irritating human lol

They both annoy me, that other guy gets so upset when people point out his breakdowns are wrong that he goes on resetera and cries about how mean people are and then it turns into how ugly he is for some reason. Is it just me or do half of the people that work in that industry seem like they've never had to deal with any type of criticism?
 
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Yeah that's not going to cut it.

So let me get this straight, 3 guys with known inside MS sources tell us that XSX is going to be 12TF's about 2 days before the reveal.
Phil Spencer head of the Xbox division at MS tells us using math the GPU is 2 times the GPU in the XB1X. 2x6 = 12 but you and a few others rather believe Phil didn't mean using math (which is what Phil actually stated).
You believe what Phil actually meant was over all performance of the GPU is 2 times that of the GPU in the XB1X .
Even though well spoken highly articulate Phil Spencer never said over all performance.
 
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So let me get this straight, 3 guys with known inside MS sources tell us that XSX is going to be 12TF's about 2 days before the reveal.
Phil Spencer head of the Xbox division at MS tells us using math the GPU is 2 times the GPU in the XB1X. 2x6 = 12 but you and a few others rather believe Phil didn't mean using math (which is what Phil actually stated).
You believe what Phil actually meant was over all performance of the GPU is 2 times that of the GPU in the XB1X .
Even though well spoken highly articulate Phil Spencer never said over all performance.

He also didn't say 12TF and they weren't shy about touting 6TF for the One X. Maybe they haven't gotten it totally nailed down yet and are still working on the clocks?
 
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Yeah that's not going to cut it.
LOL
Already gave you a legit source in Windows Central who has real world MS inside sources and have been used in the past as a source of Xbox controlled leaks.
Then I gave you another insider in an editor for the Verge known as Tom Warren.

How about Game Spot a well trusted source for the video game industry?
In your opinion is Game Spot a good source? Cuz if so
Game Spot says 12 TF's too...
 
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So let me get this straight, 3 guys with known inside MS sources tell us that XSX is going to be 12TF's about 2 days before the reveal.
Phil Spencer head of the Xbox division at MS tells us using math the GPU is 2 times the GPU in the XB1X. 2x6 = 12 but you and a few others rather believe Phil didn't mean using math (which is what Phil actually stated).
You believe what Phil actually meant was over all performance of the GPU is 2 times that of the GPU in the XB1X .
Even though well spoken highly articulate Phil Spencer never said over all performance.
He didn't say anything about using Math with the GPU.
He said 2 times the X GPU.
The math was for the CPU when he said 4 times the processing power.

How about MS as a source?
 
If you wanted the extremely stripped down model.

No Wifi with no official adapter add on option
20GB HDD
No memory card readers

How many people do you know that ever bought the 20GB model PS3? I know exactly 0, they all bought the 60GB.
Ok.... but they still launched at $499
I don't remember who bought the 20 GB model but I remember most buying the 360 which included no HDD for $399.
 
That's the CPU and he's clarified that before, hell it's in the video you kept telling Val to watch lol.
All m saying is that Phil said twice the power of the X which is 12 Tflops. I'm pretty certain he'd keep the simplest metric of performance for lamens like us and other casuals. WS even posted a about 12 Tflops for Anaconda and 4 tflops for Lockhart just before the reveal itself. Now Of course, the performance delta could be much higher (and probably will be once we have all the specs...) but to keep it simple, we know Microsoft said they're target was 12Tflops and Phil Spencer himself said double the power of the X. I believe he stated it that way for a reason.
 
10.5-12TF isn't a huge difference either way, that's less than the gap between the Pro and the One X, it's going to be very powerful regardless of what the actual TF number is.
 
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Game spot interviewed Phil Spencer and have the Specs listed as 12 TF's.
Gamespot

Xbox Series X Specs Quick Look
  • CPU: AMD Ryzen Zen 2 CPU
  • GPU: AMD Navi-based GPU (~12 TFLOPs)
  • RAM: GDDR6 SDRAM (capacity not confirmed)
  • Storage: NVMe SSD (capacity not confirmed)
  • Max Output Resolution: 8K
  • Max Refresh Rate: 120Hz
"When we set this design goal for the power that we wanted to put in, I was not sure what the [team was] going to be able to come back with because we really pushed the envelope on what we thought a home console could do. And I was really impressed with what they came back with.
"Now it sits in my home [and] it just kind of goes away. It's quiet, it sits on the shelf--to be fair, I have mine laying on its side--and just where it sits in my setup, it just goes away. And that's exactly what I wanted it to do."
 
Ok.... but they still launched at $499
I don't remember who bought the 20 GB model but I remember most buying the 360 which included no HDD for $399.

That's false. The 20GB HDD top of the line model launched at 399. You also had the option to add Wifi with the official dongle which was not an option for the PS3.
 
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Game spot interviewed Phil Spencer and have the Specs listed as 12 TF's.
Gamespot

Xbox Series X Specs Quick Look
  • CPU: AMD Ryzen Zen 2 CPU
  • GPU: AMD Navi-based GPU (~12 TFLOPs)
  • RAM: GDDR6 SDRAM (capacity not confirmed)
  • Storage: NVMe SSD (capacity not confirmed)
  • Max Output Resolution: 8K
  • Max Refresh Rate: 120Hz
"When we set this design goal for the power that we wanted to put in, I was not sure what the [team was] going to be able to come back with because we really pushed the envelope on what we thought a home console could do. And I was really impressed with what they came back with.
"Now it sits in my home [and] it just kind of goes away. It's quiet, it sits on the shelf--to be fair, I have mine laying on its side--and just where it sits in my setup, it just goes away. And that's exactly what I wanted it to do."
Yeah he didn't say 12TF's..
They copy and pasted the specs like most are doing.

Just so you know I hope it ends up 12 or more.
 
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All m saying is that Phil said twice the power of the X which is 12 Tflops. I'm pretty certain he'd keep the simplest metric of performance for lamens like us and other casuals. WS even posted a about 12 Tflops for Anaconda and 4 tflops for Lockhart just before the reveal itself. Now Of course, the performance delta could be much higher (and probably will be once we have all the specs...) but to keep it simple, we know Microsoft said they're target was 12Tflops and Phil Spencer himself said double the power of the X. I believe he stated it that way for a reason.

He left it open to interpretation and that's always a mistake, same thing with Cerny not specifically saying "hardware accelerated ray tracing" when originally talking about the PS5, most people jumped on that and acted like it was going to be software based because he didn't spell it out. As it turns out it is hardware accelerated ray tracing in the PS5 but people argued about it for a while.

Phil saying twice the performance can mean literally what he said which actually isn't 12TF or he could have said 12TF which would mean 12TF for the type of GPU they are using, we'll find out soon enough. Like I said before it's going to be very powerful regardless of what the final TF number ends up being and people shouldn't be disappointed if it's in the 10+ range when all is said and done.
 
He didn't say anything about using Math with the GPU.
He said 2 times the X GPU.
The math was for the CPU when he said 4 times the processing power.

How about MS as a source?

Phil?
He’s been interviewed since the show. You think he may have been asked about this?
 
Phil?
He’s been interviewed since the show. You think he may have been asked about this?

I think all of those interviews were conducted by idiots lol nobody asked they just assumed. They all likely interviewed in the same day so nobody thought to get clarification or they weren't able to.
 
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