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I'm not spending more than 500 dollars for a console. If it's 550 then I'm out on purchasing one at launch. I'd rather upgrade my PC at that point.

Well, it would only make sense if ray tracing on those RTX cards was completely abandoned by developers because AMD and Sony's ray tracing solution uses dedicated hardware that doesn't port well to Nvidia's RTX cards. Then you would have an expensive GPU that doesn't do ray tracing while it looks great on consoles.
 
“I won’t remove options from the future,” he conceeded. “I will say, from the launch of Xbox One, I’ve definitely learned that being too expensive and not powerful enough is not a great place to be. And price and performance are gonna be important, and we’re very focused on both of those things.” - Phil Spencer
 
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It’s worth remembering that European prices include VAT (Value Added Tax) where as the US price won’t include the tax so if the Euro price is correct, it’s likely that the dollar price will be $499 plus state tax.
For instance the Xbox One X launched for $499 and 499 Euros.
Also the Oculus Rift CV1 launched for $599 and €699 so if history is anything to go by, the Euro price is either the same dollar price or more than the dollar price.
 
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Agreed.
Looking at over $600 at launch with a game. Closer to $700 IF you get an extra controller as well. Nope. I can see Microsoft being this stupid and charging that much out of the gate.
They really need to consider how much gamers are willing to shell out even for a premium console. There was such a thing as a $600 PS3 and that almost lost Sony the generation and they were riding on the heels of a much more successful PS2. Microsoft doesn't have the luxury of that mindshare so they need to price the XSeX just right or crash right out of the gates.

I didn't buy a launch PS3 either, 600 dollars for a console is blasphemy. I waited for the software BC 80GB PS3 that launched at 499. So I have a moral limit that I will spend on a console going back over a decade, not a financial one. Even though The XsX is for hardcore gamers even I will not spend more than 500 for a console....its a console. I have a PC that desperately needs a new CPU, mainboard, RAM and 550 dollars will pay for a good portion of that, that will serve me for many years (my 4770K has served me well for over 8 years I believe) and do so much more than a console can.
 
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Well, it would only make sense if ray tracing on those RTX cards was completely abandoned by developers because AMD and Sony's ray tracing solution uses dedicated hardware that doesn't port well to Nvidia's RTX cards. Then you would have an expensive GPU that doesn't do ray tracing while it looks great on consoles.

I personally don't care about ray tracing cards. Which is why I didn't spring to upgrade to an RTX card right away. I will be waiting until next gen.

I care more about 144+ Fps.
 
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I personally don't care about ray tracing cards. Which is why I didn't spring to upgrade to an RTX card right away. I will be waiting until next gen.

I care more about 144+ Fps.

And you are willing to pay that premium on hardware to get there.

They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.

Once you have to skip a game that you were looking forward to because you don't meet the recommended specs because of your SSD those consoles over $500 will look very appealing.

Thinking a $500-600 PC or even double that in 2020 will put out better visuals than a 12TF XSX is laughable.

Yeah, the bargain PC market will be very treacherous moving forward. A guy I'm subscribed to recommended a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen CPU. That's absolutely ridiculous with consoles having 8 threads and 16 cores. Even now some games will already stutter on that CPU.

RDR2 has budget cards like the 5500xt struggling at 1080p. CyberPunk 2077 is likely going to be even more brutal on budget PC gamers.

We haven't even made it to the next gen yet. That's not even taking into account the super fast SSDs on consoles. And they are telling people they only need an SSD for the OS?

I got a 1660ti TUF only because it was on sale for $220 (it's usually $280). That's just for 1080p. I'd be very disappointed in it if not for it working with freesync now.
 
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So it looks like these *might* be the specs for Lockhart (the short version is it could put Lockhart in the 6-7+ range):

 
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And you are willing to pay that premium on hardware to get there.

They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.

Once you have to skip a game that you were looking forward to because you don't meet the recommended specs because of your SSD those consoles over $500 will look very appealing.



Yeah, the bargain PC market will be very treacherous moving forward. A guy I'm subscribed to recommended a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen CPU. That's absolutely ridiculous with consoles having 8 threads and 16 cores. Even now some games will already stutter on that CPU.

RDR2 has budget cards like the 5500xt struggling at 1080p. CyberPunk 2077 is likely going to be even more brutal on budget PC gamers.

We haven't even made it to the next gen yet. That's not even taking into account the super fast SSDs on consoles. And they are telling people they only need an SSD for the OS?

I got a 1660ti TUF only because it was on sale for $220 (it's usually $280). That's just for 1080p. I'd be very disappointed in it if not for it working with freesync now.


I literally bought a 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 1700X for 150 dollars almost a year ago. CPU horsepower is cheap to come by.
 
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They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.

Look at the date of the article - it was before pcie 4. And those are still almost 200 for a TB. I am still shocked either console is going to have one of those, and I still suspect they're going to do something custom with where the SSD is, maybe even integrating it more directly with the APU.
 
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The combo to beat a 12TF console in 2020
Won't be plus it won't have a UHDBR player.

12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.
 
12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.
A custom built 12TF's GPU with built in RT would smoke a PC equivalent and do it for a much much lower price.
 
12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.

That's a good point. They are probably measuring Navi tflops using the old GCN architecture which would make the Xbox Series X on par with the Vega 64. Yeah, consoles have always cheated doing 4k/30. I suspect a lot of console gamers won't appreciate the 60fps at all.

Look at the date of the article - it was before pcie 4. And those are still almost 200 for a TB. I am still shocked either console is going to have one of those, and I still suspect they're going to do something custom with where the SSD is, maybe even integrating it more directly with the APU.

I watched a video from Redgamingtech that said that it would only cost MS/Sony $20 for a TB making them in house. And now I just saw another video that said the Xbox Series X SSD could actually be pretty slow.
 
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I watched a video from Redgamingtech that said that it would only cost MS/Sony $20 for a TB making them in house. And now I just saw another video that said the Xbox Series X SSD could actually be pretty slow.

I watched a video that said a magic carpet ride can take you to a whole new world but I'm not grabbing a monkey and running lamps. They have to source the flash from one of the few companies that produce it, plus add in the controller, and if that s*** could be done for $20 consumer drives would be at $50 or less.
 
The combo to beat a 12TF console in 2020
Won't be plus it won't have a UHDBR player.

If you want a UHDBR player you would already have one. That's not even of value to me, I have 3 UHDBR players in my house.
 
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