The Xbox Onesie

I don't think it's good for our industry if we got into a point where people are holding back the technical innovation of game developers based on a marketing deal. I don't know anything about what's in other people's deals. But this, clearly, from a technical perspective, is the most powerful console by quite a wide margin. So, when I stood on-stage and I said this will be the best place to play all those games, there's nothing technically that would keep any developer from not making that true.

Okay this is some what I was looking for but if that is the case WTF destiny is still at 30 fps.
 
Makes sense. He talked about the console as being a premium console and it being priced like one.

The S and the Pro, price wise, will be around the same price and that's what I think he is getting at. I don't think he is talking about specs when comparing the two.

I disagree. I think hes referencing it in the sense that XBOS and PS4 are old and of a particular generation. PS4 pro is that old generation at a higher res...yet not even a real res.

There were 3 or 4 games at E3 i saw that i can honestly say look a hardware iteration better then PS4/1S and neither of those has a hope in hell of matching those visuals even of they spent 10 years on development.

I also say this knowing those games will also be on both, just in a vastly inferior manor.

Microsoft can easily let the XBOX replace the One S as its follow up main console as it grows cheaper.

Sony will definitly have to release a PS5.
 
The CPU's are still limiting in consoles. Running at 30 fps is fine though, the first game was 30 fps and it played great. I didn't post it here to bum anyone out, just wanted to make sure people didn't expect it to be 60, some people here have the idea that it's a 4K 60 fps monster lol.

It's not a surprise, given that during development even loading a map in their level editor was a process that required eight hours.
http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731
 
I wonder if one of those signed games is Playground's non racing IP?

That didn't show up on anyone's stage did it?

It could be, but they have only just started that game and it is open world, so a 4 year dev cycle is likely.
 
If that's the case and I highly doubt it is, then Microsoft might want to invest heavily in epic single player games. Because the way I see it, Sony is kicking Microsoft's ass this whole generation so far.

Halo and Gears are their epic single player games.

I'm curious (not really) as to why this is a huge issue and the lack of a decent racer or FPS on PS4 is not?
 
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I hope Phil keeps getting pressured until next E3.

Why sit on signed deals? E3 is the place to announce those.

Because they want to announce games that are coming out before next E3. After all, at next E3 you can't very well announce games that have already been released. (*)

(*) Because I think Sony has that patented.
 
This isn't going to end well.

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Okay this is some what I was looking for but if that is the case WTF destiny is still at 30 fps.
Because it was designed to be so. You can't have X1X running in 60FPS and the X1 version running 30FPS. You could do that in something like Tombraider.
 
Phil is so full of s***. As per.

He is not a fan of timed exclusive content and rips Sony and devs for it yet Phil himself locks entire games away not a map or skin but an entire game. Timed exclusive games are far worse than timed exclusive content.

All that money wasted on those silly launch aka timed exclusivity deals could have been used towards some new exclusive AAA games.
What game was that?
 
Because it was designed to be so. You can't have X1X running in 60FPS and the X1 version running 30FPS. You could do that in something like Tombraider.
Incorrect. You can have 2 different framerate because PC lived with that for many years. Its just an excuse.
 
Incorrect. You can have 2 different framerate because PC lived with that for many years. Its just an excuse.
You can, but now go ask those with lower frames if it was fun. I can tell you right that playing games like Battlefield 2 with half the FPS as others is not fun.

Games like Destiny need to be even for all on Xbox platform. Same as all online games need to be even.
 
The CPU power isn't there for their engine, again Crackdown 3 is 30 fps for single player as well, if a game is 30 fps on X1s you are going to find the vast majority of X1X versions of those games at 30 fps as well. The focus is for 4K not doubling the framerate, you aren't going to double a framerate jumping from a 1.75GHz cpu in the One S to a 2.3GHz in the One X. There may be some games where the framerate is tied more to the GPU and there you may see some improvements but if it's CPU bound there is no way you double a framerate with that small of a difference.

Your example, Crack down 3, is a whole city with far draw distances and tracking population AIs and enemy AIs vs Destiny 2 which has very empty environments that go only a few blocks which only a few AIs that pop up when you get close enough.

Destiny 2 should run at 60fps. Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
 
This land isn't your land, this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for me and not you
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
And saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for me and not you
 
Timed exclusive content=bad but timed exclusives games=good?

Example

When battlegrounds is released eventually on PS4 you get to play the same game without missing content.

When I paid 60 dollars for Destiny a few years ago I had less content then PS4 owners who paid the same price. There is a huge difference. Especially when your not garunteed the content depending on how the game and studio are financially after release.

Imagine if that happened with Mass Effect. They pretty much stopped working on the game after the s*** show post launch.


It's a HUGE difference IMO.
 
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