Big Name Games with Little Gameplay

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The game can be hyped big time, have great production values and even a popular cult following, but at the end of the day the actual gameplay is little, lacking and shallow.

Here's one from back in the day.

 
When I opened the thread I expected it to be about The Order 1886.

Am I the only one who thought this?

Myst was huge.

Five Nights at Freddy's series has a cult following but very little of what you can call 'gameplay'.

 
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Troublegum said:
When I opened the thread I expected it to be about The Order 1886.

Am I the only one who thought this?

Myst was huge.
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Those old Cinemaware games on PC and Amiga were lousy too. Great visuals, garbage gameplay.

I never understood why everyone bought Myst. Although, I'm pretty sure it was a popular pack-in game for PCs back in the 90s, which surely boosted it's sales automatically.
 
Intellivision said:
Those old Cinemaware games on PC and Amiga were lousy too. Great visuals, garbage gameplay.
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I really liked Wings at the time.

The early to mid nineties had so many games that had little gameplay mainly because of the move to CD-ROM and its FMV abilities.



So bad/good.
 
Troublegum said:
Five Nights at Freddy's series has a cult following but very little of what you can call 'gameplay'.

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FNAF is nothing but gameplay. It's a strategy game about using lights and cameras to temp. disable the robots trying to kill you. You have to learn their habits and any specific habits or noises so you can develop reflexes to survive the night. It's not like your sitting there simply watching a cinema and then choosing a selection of actions as the main attraction. You're constantly engaged in the gameplay.
 
Heavy Rain comes to mind. I loved everything about the game but it was like watching a movie.
 
Troublegum said:
When I opened the thread I expected it to be about The Order 1886.
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Speaking of 1886, the game is about half cutscenes. It's currently pegged at about 5-6 hours of game time, with half mandatory unskippable cut scenes. Meaning the actual game is about 3 hours of real time (shooter stuff), QTE gameplay and real time searching/looking at stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlBoxwve3-ZEy3pPYBI4xlQ6dCcXmWwfX

Looking at forums and the PS thread about the game, don't let the ~20 chapters give you an impression the game is long. It's not. About 6-7 of those chapters are purely cut scenes. And many of them are literally about 5 minutes long. There's 3-4 meaty chapters, plus around 15 chapters at 5-10 minutes in length. Interestingly, a typical Call of Duty game is around 13 chapters and just as long in length.

Watching some of the shootout battles, the AI is as dumb as Call of Duty.



An 8 minute segment. The boss fight is about 3 minutes of repetitive QTE button pressing. No real time gameplay like a typical boss fight involves. The other 5 minutes is cut scenes. Then queue the credits.
 
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I really liked Wings at the time.

The early to mid nineties had so many games that had little gameplay mainly because of the move to CD-ROM and its FMV abilities.



So bad/good.
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Wings was good? I never played that one.

But man, King of Chicago, TV Sports Basketball, Defender of the Crown. All solid looking games. All played drab. TV Basketball actually had incredible stats, but the gamplay was worse than a NES game. Among the worst playing basketball game I ever played.
 
amigaengine said:
Here is a early POS for the TG16

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This game was the poster child of Cinemaware games! I remember old computer gaming mags with ads for this game all over the place! Never played it. Checking your vid, thankfully never did.
 
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-order-1886-leaks-to-youtube-in-full-playthroug/1100-6425327/

The Order: 1886 Leaks to YouTube in Full, Playthrough is Five Hours Long
A full playthrough of The Order: 1886 has leaked ahead of the game's official release this week and clocks in at five hours.
by Daniel Hindes on February 15, 2015

YouTuber PlayMeThrough has uploaded a complete playthrough of The Order: 1886 to their YouTube channel. The footage totals roughly five hours of playtime, including both gameplay and cutscenes. The time devoted to cutscenes appears to be roughly half of that playtime, and the cutscenes are reported to be unskippable.

The leak has arrived shortly after rumours circulated that the game was only three hours long, and after Ready At Dawn founder and CTO Andrea Pessino responded to a query that the game was less than five hours long by stating that was "not true". Pessino later tweeted that he would no longer comment on such questions.



Another leak from NeoGAF user Renegade contains a screenshot of some of the game's ultra-violent gore effects.

For GameSpot's early thoughts on The Order: 1886, check out our hands-on preview. The game releases on Friday for PS4.
 
sharkboy1200 said:


You guys want to talk about games with little gameplay? All you do is rotate the camera in Mountain. **drops mic and leaves stage**
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LOL.

In this day and age, if you can't pump out a Call of Duty of FIFA, the best way to make money is to release $1 games and hope a million people pay for a piece of software that took 2 weeks to make.
 
Intellivision said:
LOL.

In this day and age, if you can't pump out a Call of Duty of FIFA, the best way to make money is to release $1 games and hope a million people pay for a piece of software that took 2 weeks to make.
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I got this in a humble bundle myself. It's not bad and is pretty cool. For me, it acts like a fireplace you'd have on TV, except it's on my laptop. Hay though, good for him on making some money out of it. I just wish more stuff happened beyond seasonal changes and random stuff falling from the sky. It'd be more memorable if there were more effects, like volcanic eruption, giant worms tunneling through the mountain, etc. Plus it takes forever just to get to the asteroids.
 
Troublegum said:
When I opened the thread I expected it to be about The Order 1886.

Am I the only one who thought this?
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No. I suspect this is Intellivision's way of posting about The Order, because he's not allowed in the PS forum. He's sneaky.
 
Intellivision said:
This game was the poster child of Cinemaware games! I remember old computer gaming mags with ads for this game all over the place! Never played it. Checking your vid, thankfully never did.
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I picked it up along with Ys (thank goodness) when I got the turbo CD.

Simply awful and so was the Cinemaware sports titles.
 
amigaengine said:
Sega Cd's library is full of that FMV video BS.

Here is a early POS for the TG16

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Some how I remember that game being so much cooler when my friend and I used to play it on his Amiga back in the day. I coulda swore the graphics weren't that bad...
 
sharkboy1200 said:
FNAF is nothing but gameplay. It's a strategy game about using lights and cameras to temp. disable the robots trying to kill you. You have to learn their habits and any specific habits or noises so you can develop reflexes to survive the night. It's not like your sitting there simply watching a cinema and then choosing a selection of actions as the main attraction. You're constantly engaged in the gameplay.
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I think the limited gameplay (I never implied that it is a QTE session), in the form of your interactions and few mechanics at your disposal is what makes the game so great. You do have a greater level of control than say, Dragon's Lair or Night Trap, but you are made to feel helpless by the setting and the limited actions at your disposal. This is why it works brilliantly, you are not empowered, you are left vulnerable while trying to manage limited resources through limited options to prevent the jump scare, game ending, fail state.

I think horror games work best when they limit your options, a game like PT is very much a number of player activated trigger points. The world interaction and navigation is very limited again to make the player feel vulnerable and scared.
 
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Blindly worshipping one corporation while hypocritically, ignorantly hating another. Hating an exclusive Video Game and trying to hurt other human beings solely for that reason.

Imagine being so sick you want to hurt and taunt people over video games that aren't on the piece of plastic you worship.

The Order's length is on average with other linear 3rd person cover shooters like Gears and Uncharted. Look at http://howlongtobeat.com

Rushed playthrough: about 5 1/2 hours
Normal playthrough: about 8 hours (just like shinobi602 said and I quoted him)
Leisurely playthrough: about 10-12 hours (like most of the neogaf impressions)
 
consolewarz said:
Blindly worshipping one corporation while hypocritically, ignorantly hating another. Hating an exclusive Video Game and trying to hurt other human beings solely for that reason.

Imagine being so sick you want to hurt and taunt people over video games that aren't on the piece of plastic you worship.

The Order's length is on average with other linear 3rd person cover shooters like Gears and Uncharted. Look at http://howlongtobeat.com

Rushed playthrough: about 5 1/2 hours
Normal playthrough: about 8 hours (just like shinobi602 said and I quoted him)
Leisurely playthrough: about 10-12 hours (like most of the neogaf impressions)
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How could you hurt someone over a video game though? That's a bit serious.

There are plenty of games to play.
 
Metal Gear Solid on PS2. f*** that game. I haven't played a Metal Gear game since then. No way I'm paying to play 5% game and 95% cinematics.
 
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The Order is 60/40

Via GAF:


Total Duration: 5:26:50
Time spend watching cutscenes: 2:10:05
Time played (includes QTEs): 3:16:45

Total CS Ratio: 40%
Total GP Ratio: 60%

10/17 chapters have more cutscenes than gameplay
 
Troublegum said:
I really liked Wings at the time.

The early to mid nineties had so many games that had little gameplay mainly because of the move to CD-ROM and its FMV abilities.



So bad/good.
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LOL, Yeah I remember playing that nightrap on the 3do, It was cool for the time imo.
 
Anderson said:
No. I suspect this is Intellivision's way of posting about The Order, because he's not allowed in the PS forum. He's sneaky.
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Any f***ing moron could see where he was going from the start. I knew what was coming and where he was gong to go before I even clicked the thread.

Oh look he did go there what a f***ing shock. oh well at least it's a thread that can be turned into something good by other posters.

I'll add this here too. from a different thread what I think on the order.

What I find funny is everyone b****ing about this game saying it's a QTE fest and it does not have much game play and it's short. Well no god damn s*** not once did they try and hide all the QTE and the fact your guy does not do a lot of crap on screen. it's like oh my god how dare them being out a game that is just like all the mother f***ing videos they put out so far.

On the story well no s*** it's going to be shorter then most games most games that are story heavy are going to be on the shorter side. I mean I could see being upset if the dev said this was going to be a skyrim size adventure and the gameplay is so deep you'll end up playing in hell.

I'm starting to wonder WTF is wrong with gamers anymore.
 
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Intellivision said:
Speaking of 1886, the game is about half cutscenes. It's currently pegged at about 5-6 hours of game time, with half mandatory unskippable cut scenes. Meaning the actual game is about 3 hours of real time (shooter stuff), QTE gameplay and real time searching/looking at stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlBoxwve3-ZEy3pPYBI4xlQ6dCcXmWwfX

Looking at forums and the PS thread about the game, don't let the ~20 chapters give you an impression the game is long. It's not. About 6-7 of those chapters are purely cut scenes. And many of them are literally about 5 minutes long. There's 3-4 meaty chapters, plus around 15 chapters at 5-10 minutes in length. Interestingly, a typical Call of Duty game is around 13 chapters and just as long in length.

Watching some of the shootout battles, the AI is as dumb as Call of Duty.



An 8 minute segment. The boss fight is about 3 minutes of repetitive QTE button pressing. No real time gameplay like a typical boss fight involves. The other 5 minutes is cut scenes. Then queue the credits.
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I might just pass on The Order: 1886. The game looks awesome but 5 hours of gameplay isn't worth my $60 these days. It will be in the bargain bin in a month anyway. The more i play games like Skyrim and Dragon Age the more i appreciate the value of $60.
 
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