Game Pass Core (Games With Gold - 2013-2023)
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Neither are "free"... as they're both options you pay for..
Think you're missing the point... games with gold you keep
Psn+ you don't .. you stop the service you no longer have the games..
It does make you wonder what kind of deal Sony has with these publishers. What is the incentive for Take2 or Square Enix for example, to give their games away for a month?
No one is giving their games away. Sony is paying to have those games on the service. You are paying $50 a year for those games. With the PS3 the games were the sole incentive to subscribing. Chances are Sony is paying per title downloaded.
With the PS4, Multi-player is now behind the pay wall and the PS+ selection has been indie games only. I don't expect that to change anytime soon (outside of a Sony first party title). They have shifted the incentive to subscribing. Im hopeful that the "free" games will continue to match the quality of the PS3. Honestly, I love PS+. Ive never even played a MP game on my PS3 or PS4, I pay for the service solely for the instant game collection.
With the PS4, Multi-player is now behind the pay wall and the PS+ selection has been indie games only. I don't expect that to change anytime soon (outside of a Sony first party title). They have shifted the incentive to subscribing. Im hopeful that the "free" games will continue to match the quality of the PS3. Honestly, I love PS+. Ive never even played a MP game on my PS3 or PS4, I pay for the service solely for the instant game collection.
So you're saying if I download Bioshock Infinite. Sony pays Take 2?
Well whatever the system is, Microsoft should do something similar.
Well whatever the system is, Microsoft should do something similar.
That would be my guess, and I think Pachter (I know his predictions are off, but he does understand business) suggested the same thing in a recent video on Gametrailers. Essentially that there has to be a system in place behind the scenes to establish payment.
Sony clearly isnt just going to front money and say "hey take two, here is a million dollars for Bioshock" then have only 1500 people download it. A pay per download system is just about the only thing that really makes sense.
Sony clearly isnt just going to front money and say "hey take two, here is a million dollars for Bioshock" then have only 1500 people download it. A pay per download system is just about the only thing that really makes sense.
Of course. Sony has some kind of payout system for the games.
I'm curious what the payout schedule is..... fixed amount or perhaps on a per download basis. As a publisher it makes sense since most game sales dry up a lot after 6 months and practically none after a year.
Who knows how the terms are structured, but let's say Sony offers $1M to a big publisher for an old game. By the time the game is offered on PS+, most sales will have dried up at stores. So let's say at a discounted wholesale price of $20 (so it can sell at stores for $30 bargain binning), the publisher would have to sell/ship another 50,000 copies or just take Sony's $1M and let millions play it.
But who knows what the terms are. Surely depends on the game offered. Maybe it's $500k. Maybe $2M.
Maybe it's based on a per download basis. Maybe Sony offers $0.20 per download so if 5M download it, that's $1M they have to pay. or a combo of fixed amount + click fee. Who knows.
PS+ is $50 a year. Some people buy it direct, some people off a store who has to make money too. So at the end of the day perhaps $40 is what Sony gets per year per person.... that's about $3 per month. Even if they paid out to devs $1 worth of content that still leaves them $2 to cover all costs and have some leftover for profit.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/03/sony-confirms-they-pay-devs-cash-to-include-their-games-in-ps/
Sony confirms they pay devs cash to include their games in PS+
Thursday, 3rd October 2013 23:38 GMT By Phil Owen
Sony’s Brian Silva confirmed publicly today at IndieCade in Los Angeles that the company does pay developers to use their games in PlayStation Plus promotions, either as part of the Instant Game Collection or in sales, Shacknews reports.
“They come to you with a deal,” Futurlab’s Kirsty Rigden told GamesIndustry in August. “They say, we’ll give you this much money if we can have the game for free, or exclusive, or money off, or a combination. There are a lot of different ways you can do it. The amount of money that they’ll suggest will be relevant to the package.”
Silva’s comments today, though, are the first public confirmation of that sort of deal from Sony themselves. It’s admirable that even for a deal that could easily be presented as a way for indies to “get their names out there,” as it were, Sony is paying them.
It's really a pretty good system since people would be more willing to join for more recent and new games while Sony would get the subscriptions.
I'd rather get recent/new games, beat them and delete them than keep old ones since I delete my games once I'm done with them anyways.
I'd rather get recent/new games, beat them and delete them than keep old ones since I delete my games once I'm done with them anyways.
They couldn't offer game rentals on the 360. Their DRM doesn't let them have a game expire on a set date like Sony's does if you don't renew.
I think the problem with the XB1 Games with Gold is that because they used the fact that you get to keep your games as a way to differentiate their system from Sony's, they can't go back on that now without it being really confusing.
On the 360 you keep the game, on XB1 it's only a rental? Or are they going to patch the 360 and change to game rentals as well?
And clearly giving a game away permanently costs MS more then it does for Sony to "rent" games.
I hope they switch to game rentals. I don't plan on letting my Gold subscription lapse, so better games would suit me fine. If they keep permanent ownership of games, then the games offered will continue to be older titles, and unfortunately the XB1 doesn't have any old games for MS to give away.
Yea, but I think that's becoming more of a moot point. You need to pay for both services to be able to download those games in the first place, and you are most likely to play those games in the first couple of months you have them anyways.
And seeing as you need PS+ and Live to play multiplayer (on the One and PS4), stopping the services likely means you are going to stop playing games on those systems all together. Also, with PS+, you will get all of your games back if/when you resume your service.
IMO, this difference you are pointing out is pretty insignificant since I plan on keeping my subscription to both services and if my subscription ever does lapse, all if have to do is pay $5 to gain month-long access to 4 or 5 of the top games of 2013 (Bioshock, Metro, Brothers, Tomb Raider, Resogun).
If the difference in the quality of games between Games with Gold and PS+ was small, I could understand Microsoft's point. But the difference is massive and if Microsoft's GWG business model doesn't allow them to close the gap, then they need to adapt. PS+ is giving out top games that are less than a year old and still worth $25-$30 new or used. Games with Gold is giving out mostly 3-4 years old and worth less than $5 on ebay.
Yup, both services are great in their own way. PS+ has better freebies at the moment but Games With Gold you get to actually keep the games forever even if you decide to not continue your sub with Xbox Live.
Yup...and on that token, we pay for everything in life, in one form or another......
And I agree that the keeping games forever is better than keeping them as long as you subscribe to a service.
But when this advantage prevents Microsoft from getting good/relevant/newer games, then it's not really an advantage anymore.
I'd rather be able to play consistently good/relevant games for free as long as I own PS+, rather than download/own a 3-4+ year old game (which I could by used for $1) that I don't really care about. And I think this is own vs. rent thing is sort of a non-issue. Both PS+ and XBL are so ingrained into each console now, that if you are the type of gamer that is going to pay attention to the GWG and PS+ deals, you are likely going to also subscribe to either service for as long as you are interested in playing on either console. And you are most likely to play those games in your first couple months of downloading them anyways, so you will likely have either PS+ or XBL regardless.
I'd be very happy if Microsoft's GWG service started putting games out at the same quality as PS+'s, but it doesn't seem like we will be able to get the best of both worlds. So I'd rather have newer, quality games that I could semi-own, rather than older, mediocre games that I could own, but don't really care about.
What would you rather have?
Then stop crying and saying PSN+ games are not free as both are not free. PSN newer games that still sale for $20 plus dollars game for gold games that are so old and cheap you'd have a hard time finding then in the bargain bin.
Saints Row 2 and Terraria are rumoured to be next months but then they said Halo 4 or Alan Wake would be this months.
Wow, both options are awesome. I own Alan Wake, but not Terraria, Saints Row 2, and Halo 4. Can't wait to get one of those of three, if they are the chosen.
Halo 4 and Saints Row would be great
(the other two I have)It's usually an XBLA game and a retail game so I can see it being SR2 and Terraria.
I'm pretty sure Sony and MS pay a predetermined flat rate for these titles, much like Netflix does. It wouldn't make sense to pay per download, as they could never predict their expenses. They likely say to a dev or pub, "we'll give you $50,000 for unlimited access to your game for 2 weeks" and they take it or leave it. Most would take it, since they are choosing games that really aren't selling much if any at this point.
Yeah, I do want Terraria myself. heard lots of good things about it.Halo 4 and Saints Row would be great
It's usually an XBLA game and a retail game so I can see it being SR2 and Terraria.
It's like a 2D Minecraft I suppose, you could sink hours into it if you get into it!
I also hear it has these bosses and the game just turns into something else entirely when you face them.