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“CNBC: Sony plunged $10 billion after its PS5 sales cut. But a bigger issue is its near decade low games margin

The company's shares fell after the announcement, with around $10 billion of value wiped off the stock since the forecast cut, according to a CNBC calculation using FactSet data.

But analysts were watching another key metric — the operating margin in the gaming business — which came in just under 6% for the December quarter, according to a CNBC calculation. By contrast, Sony's operating margin was more than 9% in the December quarter of 2022.

"The shipment forecast cut for PS5 ... is not what is disappointing ... What is disappointing is the low level" of operating margin, Atul Goyal, equity analyst at Jefferies, said in a note to clients on Wednesday.

The latest quarter's single-digit margin for Sony is present "despite various tailwinds that should have driven up the margins towards 20%," Goyal said, adding that the situation is "extremely disappointing."

These tailwinds include sales of its first-party games, which are increasingly in the form of digital downloads, in addition to its high-margin PS Plus subscription service, which commands around 50% margin, according to Goyal.

Toto said that part of the reason why margins are being squeezed more recently is that software production costs have been rising.

"Spiderman 2," which came out last year and is produced by Sony-owned Insomniac Games, cost around $300 million to make, according to gaming website Kotaku, citing an internal presentation that was leaked after a ransomware group hackedthe company.

"So these budgets seemed to have a significant impact on their gaming margin over time," Toto said.”
 
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Maybe smaller budget (not cheap) games. Too many movie/cinematic type games. Spider-man 2 cost 300 mil for a 15is hour game. 🤷‍♂️
 
I think Sony produces high quality games for the most part, but when there is no multiplayer component this is bound to happen. They've focused on single player only for too long. Games, at least occasionally, have to have a multiplayer aspect to continue the revenue stream - especially when the games drop in price from their original $70 price tag.
 
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Some will blame the Series S..

Sony have announced plans to release 4 games on other platforms
 
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“CNBC: Sony plunged $10 billion after its PS5 sales cut. But a bigger issue is its near decade low games margin

The company's shares fell after the announcement, with around $10 billion of value wiped off the stock since the forecast cut, according to a CNBC calculation using FactSet data.

But analysts were watching another key metric — the operating margin in the gaming business — which came in just under 6% for the December quarter, according to a CNBC calculation. By contrast, Sony's operating margin was more than 9% in the December quarter of 2022.

"The shipment forecast cut for PS5 ... is not what is disappointing ... What is disappointing is the low level" of operating margin, Atul Goyal, equity analyst at Jefferies, said in a note to clients on Wednesday.

The latest quarter's single-digit margin for Sony is present "despite various tailwinds that should have driven up the margins towards 20%," Goyal said, adding that the situation is "extremely disappointing."

These tailwinds include sales of its first-party games, which are increasingly in the form of digital downloads, in addition to its high-margin PS Plus subscription service, which commands around 50% margin, according to Goyal.

Toto said that part of the reason why margins are being squeezed more recently is that software production costs have been rising.

"Spiderman 2," which came out last year and is produced by Sony-owned Insomniac Games, cost around $300 million to make, according to gaming website Kotaku, citing an internal presentation that was leaked after a ransomware group hackedthe company.

"So these budgets seemed to have a significant impact on their gaming margin over time," Toto said.”
Wonder if part of the reasoning behind the devaluation was the insomniac leak, if no one outside of Sony knew of what goes on and the details between them and Disney then it would’ve just stayed in the closet.

Then there’s Sony canceling multiple multiplayer and gaas games after their purchase of Bungie. And many of said studios have a long history of making multiplayer games, really good ones that are more cult classics than having mainstream appeal. I’m hoping for something grand from their horizon mp game, maybe pvpve
 
Well, now they said it. They are now looking at LAUNCHING on other platforms as well.
 
What does this even mean?


Here is what I don't get. Why keep making large games when it could easily be done as DLC. Spider-Man for example, 2 large games and a smaller game. When it would easily be doable as 1 large game and 2 DLCs.
 
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Here is what I don't get. Why keep making large games when it could easily be done as DLC. Spider-Man for example, 2 large games and a smaller game. When it would easily be doable as 1 large game and 2 DLCs.
Solid point. Especially since Spider-Man 2 cost more than three times the first one.
 


Not every game should have a big budget and need to sell millions.

Does for Playstation. They seem hellbent on killing everything that doesn't sell 12 million copies. Horizon will be next given its poor 8 to 9 million sales.