**SPOILERS** Batman vs. Superman **SPOILERS**
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My BvS review:
So I just wanted to put my thoughts into the movie and why I loved it. The amount of exposition and dialogue was handled really well and seemed to be given a particularly special care, which was nicely highlighted that much more by solid performances all around. The way Batman and Superman handle their critiques with each other without ever talking face to face by conversing to characters with some kind of respect or authority in their personal was a fantastic touch I thought. Lex Luthor's lines were probably the most memorable. Especially when he refers to demons coming from the sky, as opposed to below. Now, this isn't completely universal, as Wonder Woman's dialogue, while serviceable, is nowhere near as clever, and never really stands out, although that's arguably intentional. They just want to introduce Wonder Woman, not make her too big a of a star. The main side characters of Lois Lane, Alfred, and Martha Kent are well done though. They represent the other personality of each hero well, especially Lois who is the detective Superman will never be.
One big strength of this movie was the amount of iconography. It's a great theme always present. People damn near worship Superman at times while Batman is feared like a fallen angel. Superman is handled very well in that regard, because it makes his moments as Clark Kent stand out that much more. He seems to genuinely enjoy his civilian life when he can, as opposed to Batman, who seems to loathe being Bruce Wayne. Batman is the most conflicted portrayal of the character I ever saw in a live action film. The wear and tear goes along great with the nihilistic personality he's developed through out his crime fighting career. He says it best, "criminals are like weeds." That one line, along with the Zod/Superman scene explains why he's so lost that even Alfred recognizes how off the rails he is. All that work being overshadowed by the presence of Superman in so many ways. To the point where he's constantly has something on the side being developed to specifically fight Superman, thus the Batman armor. All the killing seems to be getting plenty of critique, but I think what people don't recognize is that this is someone who doesn't care and desire to live by a certain code anymore because the landscape for him is changing in a way that makes all of his work pretty much obsolete. Death is not just an option, but the alternative to sentence someone to death in prison is him developing new, but cruel strategies in his fight against crime. As the movie progresses, we don't just see his nihilism being confronted, but by the end, he's completely turned around to the point where he spares the movies main villain. Suggesting he might once again try to embrace his no kill rule.
Another interesting tidbit was how it's revealed how Luthor was abused as a child. It's a interesting parallel between him and the heroes since, despite their trauma, experienced a pretty quality childhood beforehand.
To me, those were the highlights of this movie to me. Many people didn't like it, but it's what appealed to me personally and why I look forward to the upcoming three hour cut. I WANT MORE.
The fight scene between Bat and Supe was really well done I thought. It did a fine job of showcasing both men having a strict advantage over each other, but also presenting Batman's ability to prepare, react, and ultimately strategize an entire fight in his head so that he will win. He doesn't even try to fight Superman until he has all the right pieces to the puzzle and the landscape to have it all play out. That's always been the magic of Batman to me. At his best, Batman is always a master chess player first above all things. He plays Superman like a fiddle just enough to use kryptonite on him. Something not so easily done with a chance encounter against Doomsday. Action was well done I thought, and while the Doomsday fight scene had less impact than the rest of the movie, it still managed to be an exciting watch. It was great to see Doomsday's appearance involve into this giant bone monster he's known for. Wonder Woman is portrayed very well in my opinion. I love her moves, her abilities, and the weapons she carries. It'll be interesting to see how she's portrayed if comes down to hand-to-hand combat though. Currently, I don't see myself enjoying her as much if that were to happen, but I'd also might end up pleasantly surprised.
This movies use of lighting and music was just absolutely fantastic in my opinion. I love how the use of color, shadows, and lights to display what each character is going through at times. Granted, it can be laid on a bit thick, but it works well and creates some images that stick with you. All the music in this movie was just execellent I thought. Especially for Luthor, who had what I felt was a pretty classic theme for a modern superhero movie. It's the best score I've listened to and seen use to elevate scenes in a comic book movie since the Dark Knight Returns. Everything just works and is simply the ribbon on the whole package. Junkie XL and Hans Zimmer did a marvelous job.
So yeah, I give it two thumbs up overall.
So I just wanted to put my thoughts into the movie and why I loved it. The amount of exposition and dialogue was handled really well and seemed to be given a particularly special care, which was nicely highlighted that much more by solid performances all around. The way Batman and Superman handle their critiques with each other without ever talking face to face by conversing to characters with some kind of respect or authority in their personal was a fantastic touch I thought. Lex Luthor's lines were probably the most memorable. Especially when he refers to demons coming from the sky, as opposed to below. Now, this isn't completely universal, as Wonder Woman's dialogue, while serviceable, is nowhere near as clever, and never really stands out, although that's arguably intentional. They just want to introduce Wonder Woman, not make her too big a of a star. The main side characters of Lois Lane, Alfred, and Martha Kent are well done though. They represent the other personality of each hero well, especially Lois who is the detective Superman will never be.
One big strength of this movie was the amount of iconography. It's a great theme always present. People damn near worship Superman at times while Batman is feared like a fallen angel. Superman is handled very well in that regard, because it makes his moments as Clark Kent stand out that much more. He seems to genuinely enjoy his civilian life when he can, as opposed to Batman, who seems to loathe being Bruce Wayne. Batman is the most conflicted portrayal of the character I ever saw in a live action film. The wear and tear goes along great with the nihilistic personality he's developed through out his crime fighting career. He says it best, "criminals are like weeds." That one line, along with the Zod/Superman scene explains why he's so lost that even Alfred recognizes how off the rails he is. All that work being overshadowed by the presence of Superman in so many ways. To the point where he's constantly has something on the side being developed to specifically fight Superman, thus the Batman armor. All the killing seems to be getting plenty of critique, but I think what people don't recognize is that this is someone who doesn't care and desire to live by a certain code anymore because the landscape for him is changing in a way that makes all of his work pretty much obsolete. Death is not just an option, but the alternative to sentence someone to death in prison is him developing new, but cruel strategies in his fight against crime. As the movie progresses, we don't just see his nihilism being confronted, but by the end, he's completely turned around to the point where he spares the movies main villain. Suggesting he might once again try to embrace his no kill rule.
Another interesting tidbit was how it's revealed how Luthor was abused as a child. It's a interesting parallel between him and the heroes since, despite their trauma, experienced a pretty quality childhood beforehand.
To me, those were the highlights of this movie to me. Many people didn't like it, but it's what appealed to me personally and why I look forward to the upcoming three hour cut. I WANT MORE.
The fight scene between Bat and Supe was really well done I thought. It did a fine job of showcasing both men having a strict advantage over each other, but also presenting Batman's ability to prepare, react, and ultimately strategize an entire fight in his head so that he will win. He doesn't even try to fight Superman until he has all the right pieces to the puzzle and the landscape to have it all play out. That's always been the magic of Batman to me. At his best, Batman is always a master chess player first above all things. He plays Superman like a fiddle just enough to use kryptonite on him. Something not so easily done with a chance encounter against Doomsday. Action was well done I thought, and while the Doomsday fight scene had less impact than the rest of the movie, it still managed to be an exciting watch. It was great to see Doomsday's appearance involve into this giant bone monster he's known for. Wonder Woman is portrayed very well in my opinion. I love her moves, her abilities, and the weapons she carries. It'll be interesting to see how she's portrayed if comes down to hand-to-hand combat though. Currently, I don't see myself enjoying her as much if that were to happen, but I'd also might end up pleasantly surprised.
This movies use of lighting and music was just absolutely fantastic in my opinion. I love how the use of color, shadows, and lights to display what each character is going through at times. Granted, it can be laid on a bit thick, but it works well and creates some images that stick with you. All the music in this movie was just execellent I thought. Especially for Luthor, who had what I felt was a pretty classic theme for a modern superhero movie. It's the best score I've listened to and seen use to elevate scenes in a comic book movie since the Dark Knight Returns. Everything just works and is simply the ribbon on the whole package. Junkie XL and Hans Zimmer did a marvelous job.
So yeah, I give it two thumbs up overall.
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I really do not understand why they wrote Lex Luthor like a bad Joker. That is basically the role he plays.
For me, the movie takes far too long to get going. The Batman v Superman tag is very misleading, there is only about 10 minutes of actual Batman v Superman, and even that was surprisingly average and very predictable.
Despite the small role, Wonder Woman was the best thing in this movie.
The movie was entertaining enough though.
For me, the movie takes far too long to get going. The Batman v Superman tag is very misleading, there is only about 10 minutes of actual Batman v Superman, and even that was surprisingly average and very predictable.
Despite the small role, Wonder Woman was the best thing in this movie.
The movie was entertaining enough though.
I wish they didn't try to cram in the whole Doomsday and Death of Superman thing.
Maybe Luthor could have accessed the Phantom Zone and let any random thing out, like Brainiac.
Maybe Luthor could have accessed the Phantom Zone and let any random thing out, like Brainiac.
If you didn't know, Luthor's theme is a reversed and twisted/distorted version of Superman's theme which is a nice touch.
I didn't, just got the score myself, so I haven't had time to give it a thorough listen, but that sounds like a very good move, especially for such an important villain.
i liked it enough as a DC fan but could've been so much more if it had better director. shame really.
I would give it 7/10 and not as bad as the internet critics make it out to be. I have seen worse movies.
With the dark theme and higher age rating I think Aronofsky could have done wonders with this movie.
Saw the movie on a whim with my girlfriend.
We thought it was terrible.
Cemented our belief that Marvel can only make successful super hero movies.
Suicide Squad looks really good though.
We thought it was terrible.
Cemented our belief that Marvel can only make successful super hero movies.
Suicide Squad looks really good though.
Umm Dark Knight Trilogy?
Dark Knight still the best comic book movie ever. WB has been making successful comic book movies since 1979.
So in Batmans dream it seemed Superman has taken total control in the future like in Injustice. Was that the Flash coming back through time to warn Bruce? He says something like "you were right about him Bruce."
Man I need to see this movie again. Seems like it would be better the second time.
Man I need to see this movie again. Seems like it would be better the second time.
Saw it. Initial thoughts, ugh!
It felt like it was just a Justic League jump off film. The movie would have been so much better had Lex Luther not been in it at all. Doomsday could have been made in the ship by some other means. Luther was what dragged the whole movie down. Batman vs Superman is what the entire movie should have been. Could have kept Doomsday arc.
Music in Doomsday fight was terrible.
There are aspects I liked but I'm too annoyed to write them down right now. Disappointed that the ball was dropped.
It's amazing how well done The Dark Knight trilogy is. Just two different leagues of films.
It felt like it was just a Justic League jump off film. The movie would have been so much better had Lex Luther not been in it at all. Doomsday could have been made in the ship by some other means. Luther was what dragged the whole movie down. Batman vs Superman is what the entire movie should have been. Could have kept Doomsday arc.
Music in Doomsday fight was terrible.
There are aspects I liked but I'm too annoyed to write them down right now. Disappointed that the ball was dropped.
It's amazing how well done The Dark Knight trilogy is. Just two different leagues of films.
Yea that was Flash, it looks like Batman's dreams had more to do with future events than the events in this movie. So if its about Superman is he right when he though he was a problem or when he thought of him as a friend.
I really enjoyed BvS.
People who don't quite understand the Flash dream/vision. Check out this video for the explaination. It's a subplot taken directly from the Flashpoint story arc to set up for Justice League but also serves as a moviation for Batman to take down Superman.
Got a feeling that the Justice League is gonna borrow one last cue from Dark Knight Returns and reveal Superman faked his death (in the comic/movie, it was Batman who was faking). My theory is that this is how Cyborg will be introduced. With a piece of kryptonite, he's capable of performing complicated surgeries on Superman with his technology. They did it once in a animated Justice League movie (one of the more recent ones) where Superman was shot in the chest, close to his heart, with a bullet made of kryptonite.
Doomsdays was poorly done. Its your generic monster. Doesn't even have a bloody line. Scipt was poorly written. I do not know how they can commission this.
Wonderwoman is also underwhelming. Ben is good as batman though. Lex was poorly written. There is no complellign reason why he wanted to kill Superman & careless to unleash doomsday. Whats sttopping dooms day to kill him or destroy the Earth?
There is no reason for Merci or whatever the girls name to sit there & be killed.
Wonderwoman is also underwhelming. Ben is good as batman though. Lex was poorly written. There is no complellign reason why he wanted to kill Superman & careless to unleash doomsday. Whats sttopping dooms day to kill him or destroy the Earth?
There is no reason for Merci or whatever the girls name to sit there & be killed.
Where do I start? This movie had a ton of promise for me and I actually enjoyed the initial set-up. I thought they did a good job establishing a valid reason for Batman and Superman to be opposed to each other, I thought the special effects were great, and I love the baseline material.
However, there were a ton of things that didn't make sense to me. The biggest for me were:
- Lex Luthor's plan could have been put together by a high school student. Where is the "genius" in kidnapping Superman's mother and blackmailing him? I was expecting something a bit cleverer to push Superman over the edge.
- Doomsday was just uninspired and unnecessary. As someone else pointed out, why would Lex be able to control him? If he could, why didn't he just direct him to kill Batman first? No need to orchestrate Superman to do so in that case.
- Batman suddenly forgives Superman for indirectly killing his entire building of employees and they decide to split up to face Lex and save Superman's mom. Um...you don't need to split up. He's Superman. Just go get your mom first and then face Lex. Getting your mom will take you 10 seconds.
- Wonderwoman was also unnecessary. Not a bad character, but not needed here.
- Superman is dead!! Or is he? What gives him strength, the sun? Lets bury him.
- Superman breathes in the kryptonite gas. Did he need to? He can fly in space...
To me they needed addition by subtraction. Cut Wonderwoman and Doomsday, focus more on the plot and conflict between Superman and Batman and flesh out more of the story. I mean, where did the Batman suit of armor come from? I guess he just had that design ready? No explanation really.
However, there were a ton of things that didn't make sense to me. The biggest for me were:
- Lex Luthor's plan could have been put together by a high school student. Where is the "genius" in kidnapping Superman's mother and blackmailing him? I was expecting something a bit cleverer to push Superman over the edge.
- Doomsday was just uninspired and unnecessary. As someone else pointed out, why would Lex be able to control him? If he could, why didn't he just direct him to kill Batman first? No need to orchestrate Superman to do so in that case.
- Batman suddenly forgives Superman for indirectly killing his entire building of employees and they decide to split up to face Lex and save Superman's mom. Um...you don't need to split up. He's Superman. Just go get your mom first and then face Lex. Getting your mom will take you 10 seconds.
- Wonderwoman was also unnecessary. Not a bad character, but not needed here.
- Superman is dead!! Or is he? What gives him strength, the sun? Lets bury him.
- Superman breathes in the kryptonite gas. Did he need to? He can fly in space...
To me they needed addition by subtraction. Cut Wonderwoman and Doomsday, focus more on the plot and conflict between Superman and Batman and flesh out more of the story. I mean, where did the Batman suit of armor come from? I guess he just had that design ready? No explanation really.
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I thought the movie had too many decent ideas that were crammed into too short a running time.
My biggest complaint is Snyder's refusal to make Superman what he keeps giving lip service to...a beacon of hope. He can't keep giving the "he's evolving to that" excuse everytime he's called out on it...this is two movies now.
Also...EXPLAIN WHY IN THE FLYING f*** SUPERMAN WOULD ALLOW KRYPTONIAN TECH TO JUST LIE AROUND FOR ANYONE TO ABUSE?!!
The incompetence of Superman on display in this movie is a far greater threat to humanity than anything an "actual" Snyder villain could pose.
My biggest complaint is Snyder's refusal to make Superman what he keeps giving lip service to...a beacon of hope. He can't keep giving the "he's evolving to that" excuse everytime he's called out on it...this is two movies now.
Also...EXPLAIN WHY IN THE FLYING f*** SUPERMAN WOULD ALLOW KRYPTONIAN TECH TO JUST LIE AROUND FOR ANYONE TO ABUSE?!!
The incompetence of Superman on display in this movie is a far greater threat to humanity than anything an "actual" Snyder villain could pose.
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