Bernie should have run third party. It may have not won him the election but I know a lot of dems that would have followed and never looked back.
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But what does that accomplish? It would have done nothing other than lock up Trump's win
the optimist in me thinks that it would have sway the 2020 election to make a hard left turn.
Trump won anyway though, the problem is it would have given establishment Dems yet another false excuse for why Hillary lost. The reality that none of the establishment wants to face is that this election shouldn't have been close, if they had run another candidate we likely wouldn't have Trump as our President right now. The party officials did everything they could to make sure Hillary won the nomination and they are as much to blame for our current situation as Russia or racist voters or anything else.
Honestly I want someone younger who can better explain their vision to be the nominee next time around, I love Bernie but the guy never once seemed to give us a way to actually accomplish his goals, we need someone who can not only detail how they'll be able to accomplish what they are pushing but also be credible (which HRC wasn't) and not be someone who is in bed with bankers and other special interests.
I also hope the Dems really push campaign finance as one of their big pillars next time around, they need to get the country on board with getting money out of politics, that may mean getting a lot of the old guard out and having them face primaries by newer more progressive Democrats because something needs to change and a lot of the Dems that have been sitting in the senate for a long time seem just more like Republican "lite" than true progressives.
They should have ran a more candidates but Biden is the only one who could have beat her. She was a bad national candidate but wasn't like Democrats hated her like that.
The most recent Pod Save America discussed what the dems need to do for midterms and then 2020, and one of the big things is to focus on exactly what Trump did in 2016. The amount of corruption from this administration and the fact they are only doing what helps corporations and the 1%.
I would think any candidate who's polling shows them to be one of the least popular in history would make the establishment think twice about pushing for her to be the nominee. Sadly they are totally out of touch and if they don't learn their lesson this will happen again and again.
I don't really think it matters who they pushed to be the nominee. The GOP pushed for anyone that wasn't Trump and still ended up with Trump.
The Democratic voters wanted her to win and would have likely wanted her to win over any other random Dems unless you think there was another Obama out there. We need to accept that just like we need to accept how badly she f***ed up in the general.
They now have a dating site for Trump singles....
the divorce rate/breakups are going to hit 100% once FOX declares the establishment of the site as FAKE NEWS
They now have a dating site for Trump singles....
the divorce rate/breakups are going to hit 100% once FOX declares the establishment of the site as FAKE NEWS
I can't tell if this is satire.
I do think the fact that the establishment had already chosen her before the primaries even started made it hard for any other Dem do even bother trying. Biden would have beaten her I'm sure as he connects with working class people far more than she does, sadly he waited too long and I'm guessing Obama and other Dems probably talked him out of running. I never wanted her, I don't hate her but she doesn't come across as someone who is trustworthy in the least.
What bothers me the most is people who still say "Oh it was sexism that kept her from winning" if they really believe that they are totally lost. I don't know one person who said that she shouldn't be President because she is a woman, they all talked about her constant lies, her questionable financial dealings and the fact that even though she's had several positions that count as experience she wasn't particularly good at any of them. I'm sure there was a small group out there who didn't want her to be President because she's a woman but I'd bet that group is smaller than the group who voted FOR her because she's a woman.
They now have a dating site for Trump singles....
the divorce rate/breakups are going to hit 100% once FOX declares the establishment of the site as FAKE NEWS
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This just seems really tacky and there is still a section accepting contributions. WTF for?
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This just seems really tacky and there is still a section accepting contributions. WTF for?
https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/
I don't think it was sexism but that doesn't mean peoples negative opinions were based on anything real either. How many thought she was a liar and thought Trump "tells it like it is"
One advantage Republicans have is dumb reliable voters. Seriously. How many times did some dumbass post the debunked Byrd KKK thing here? Or Uranium One? Or claims Clinton murdered people? Or conspiracies like pizza joints or the Rich murder? These were posted on these forums and were easy to disprove, yet people still went on believing them. The far right uses these dummies to their advantage. Keep throwing stuff out there and eventually some will stick.
While I think Democrats can be idiots too, they don't come close to the shear number of Republicans. Moreover, Democrats put a great deal into fact checking. Many left-leaning sources call out other similar left-leaning sources for making misleading claims.
Biden's son had died around the time he would have had to of decided to run. It was a matter of timing for him.
I often hear people say they don't trust Hillary. When pressed to explain why she's not trustworthy I always hear "email" or "Benghazi". Asking to explain further what she lied about in regards to those specifically leads to lol-worthy responses. She's not perfect, but she's far from trust-ability ratings she has received.
While I think Democrats can be idiots too, they don't come close to the shear number of Republicans. Moreover, Democrats put a great deal into fact checking. Many left-leaning sources call out other similar left-leaning sources for making misleading claims.
Biden's son had died around the time he would have had to of decided to run. It was a matter of timing for him.
I often hear people say they don't trust Hillary. When pressed to explain why she's not trustworthy I always hear "email" or "Benghazi". Asking to explain further what she lied about in regards to those specifically leads to lol-worthy responses. She's not perfect, but she's far from trust-ability ratings she has received.
Maybe if she had actually campaigned in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the election would have had a different outcome. I think, like a lot of others, that Trump was going to lose horribly and she didn't need to campaign that hard(lest she put her foot in her mouth as she was prone to do). I mean who would have thought that we would have elected a serial sex offender back in October 2017? Was it the fact that the DNC really had no money to work with that kept her from campaigning?
Anyway, Bernie is and always has been an independent. Many of his base weren't going to vote for Hillary anyway. I am assuming that half of his supporters went to Trump (but I could be wrong)
Agree.
The only areas where I can see her compromised is with big banks, Wall Street, and corporations. Also, the shadiness going on with the DNC, and Loretta Lynch. Buttery mails is insignificant. To say the soviet union disinformation campaign didn't play a role, an effective role, is a fallacy. I saw it first hand. I saw people sharing these outright false, easily, verifiably false, but continued to believe it. I saw family members. I still have family members claim Hillary was responsible for Mr. Ben Gazi, and her and Bill are responsible for selling nuclear weapons to the soviet union.
As someone who voted for Obama twice, for me Hillary was an awful candidate.
I didn't buy a bit of the fake news on her and I really didn't care about the e-mail scandal (that was well known all the way back to the primary).
The problem with Hillary was she literally stopped campaigning. I had no idea what her stances on the issues were. Obviously I could assume her stance on most things, but maybe she could have actually focused on the issues? She and her campaign fell into the "attack Trump" trap which at the time probably seemed like a no brainer but in hindsight she ended up going as low as he did.
Hillary's problem with me was that she didn't need to convince me not to vote Trump, but convince me to vote for her. I get a little miffed at the idea that 3rd party candidates were a Russian ploy or somehow unqualified (look at what we ended up with).
Granted, I do live in New York state, so I had the luxury of knowing the election here would not be close. Had I been in a Michigan or a PA I probably would have sucked it up and voted Hillary. In NY the Democrat is projected to win before the polls even close so it is easy to throw a vote away.
I didn't buy a bit of the fake news on her and I really didn't care about the e-mail scandal (that was well known all the way back to the primary).
The problem with Hillary was she literally stopped campaigning. I had no idea what her stances on the issues were. Obviously I could assume her stance on most things, but maybe she could have actually focused on the issues? She and her campaign fell into the "attack Trump" trap which at the time probably seemed like a no brainer but in hindsight she ended up going as low as he did.
Hillary's problem with me was that she didn't need to convince me not to vote Trump, but convince me to vote for her. I get a little miffed at the idea that 3rd party candidates were a Russian ploy or somehow unqualified (look at what we ended up with).
Granted, I do live in New York state, so I had the luxury of knowing the election here would not be close. Had I been in a Michigan or a PA I probably would have sucked it up and voted Hillary. In NY the Democrat is projected to win before the polls even close so it is easy to throw a vote away.
Well Trump being unqualified doesn't mean anyone should vote for Jill Stein. She is just as unqualified.
Gary Johnson was a governor so that is a totally different story but "What is Aleppo" tells you how serious of a candidate he was
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I wish the Libertarians had run Bill Weld. Bill Weld is just an old school Republican basically. I did vote Johnson, and some of the stuff from him was funny, but did anyone ever ask Trump where Aleppo was? Had he not known where Syria was that would be different but is it hard to see someone getting tripped up on a particular city in Syria?
CNN started running hit pieces on Johnson the minute they realized it was going to be close. It was hilarious to see the tide turn. For every nitpick on Johnson, have you seen our President now?
There's a concerted effort by both party establishments to make you fear 3rd party candidates. Meanwhile we have Donald freaking Trump in office.
They don't need to make much of an effort on that. The 3rd parties don't take the elections seriously and electoral college just locks in the 2 party system even more.
But it is funny to see people talk about how bad the two candidates are and then vote for a third party candidate that is just as bad. If you are going to throw your vote away at least do it on someone decent.
They aren't taking it seriously because they have zero chance to win in a loaded system. What they are realistically trying to do is just get votes to keep them on the ballot and maybe someday actually get up on the debate stage. It is the usual chicken and the egg... they can't get the votes until they become part of the process, but can't become part of the process without the votes.
Libertarians align with my politics very well. I think they would align with a lot of typical Republican voters too. They aren't "nuts" they run on a common sense platform that works well. Cutting gov't spending, getting gov't out of our lives, and cutting military and having the US becoming more isolationist instead of the global police force.
Meanwhile we have a Republican party that runs as "fiscal conservatives" when they haven't done anything fiscally conservative in my lifetime.
The last time I did one of those political quizzes, Libertarians came back upper 80% range for compatibility, so definitely not too far off my views either.
How about win something before going for the White House? Win local elections. That is getting serious.
Those elections are actually a lot harder to win. The 2 parties are dug in very deep on local elections, especially congress.
Where I'm from, we often don't even get a Republican bothering to run for congress for some of the New York seats. There's no way an indie stands a chance. The local stuff is where people know less about the candidates and just tick the party box.
That's a system even more broken than the Presidential election. A little bit of party money goes a long way as finding actual information on those races is nearly impossible.
The problem is that the US should probably have 3-4 political parties, if not more. We don't though so an indie candidate just ends up splitting one side's vote and handing the election to someone else.
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