I think we're really doing ourselves a disservice by not examining girlfriends (or boyfriends or cucumberfriends) as a service. Well, not that I could do much with that what with being married and all, but here I am looking out for you.
The Xbox Onesie
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Well of course it's obvious, so why such sudden outrage? Why is this now a problem a month before E3? I can guess....
When Apple shipped the Iphone with a camera, GPS and MP3/4 player, I don't think Samsung, Google and Blackberry (lol) engineers sat around saying "God damn, that Iphone sold a s*** load, how can we make our phones better to counter the popularity of such a multifaceted device with unparalelled functionality" when the easiest answer is just to add cameras, GPS and media players.
The easiest way for campaigns to survive is simply add multiplayer...or make 150 hour campaigns.
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I think between all the yelling, you put it in a way that simplifies the problem and solution. Nice anaology!
GAF loves their Graphics Threads. As much as people preach Gameplay over Graphics, they sure do talk a LOT more about the pretty ones. I won't separate myself from that either.
I think this whole topic is overblown and Hyperbolic. Way too much speculation and even projection. Doom and Gloom as usual.
SP as awesome as it is, GTA 5 has sold in the top 5 for YEARS. And I guarantee that's because of the MP and user generated content along with a consistent level of Developer support and updates. Halo 5 is the same way.
This may be what Phil is getting at. As a GAAS, the Dev team continuously supports that environment. I think that is the distinction. Not a GAaS like an MMO. It's amazing to me to come back to Halo 5 after a long break, and there is all this new s*** in there... and I don't even have to pay for it!
I think he is still linking it to the Topic in general, and why he doesn't think Spencer has some agenda to do away with SP in games- which seems to be the narrative.
I do think any game MS puts out will have a supported MP component to give the game legs and provide a longer revenue opportunity.
My take is that Microsoft isn't doing either very much.....
That being said, you aren't going to move a platform with games as service.
Need strong story driven games AND strong story + multiplayer games.
Games as a service are in addition to those two.
It's not a matter of pick one, it should be all three.
That being said, you aren't going to move a platform with games as service.
Need strong story driven games AND strong story + multiplayer games.
Games as a service are in addition to those two.
It's not a matter of pick one, it should be all three.
Pretty self explanatory:
"As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think that’s critical for us.”
Doesn't get any more clear cut than that.
That is great news, and exactly what gamers have wanted to hear. Add to that, they want to make even greater investments in first party, as well as their new SP ip's that they have debuted. I love that they have put more resources into creating, developing and researching single player games on top of multiplayer. If you look at the success they have had with Ori, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, Recore and Quantum Break, there is a clear vision in Phil's head about the importance of single player and game services. He has even stated numerous times that he is a single player gamer, and that is his passion that he wants to bring to Xbox. He loves that Sony has done well in that arena, and can see the justification for some of those ips.
So with MS focusing on Single Player as well as Games as a service and multiplayer, I think that should continue to keep the Xbox brand successful. It really is too bad that you have a select number of people in the world selectively read interviews and taking words out of context to create drama and hits.
Phil has made a lot of promises in the past 3 years, and I love that he is delivering on them.
"As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think that’s critical for us.”
Doesn't get any more clear cut than that.
That is great news, and exactly what gamers have wanted to hear. Add to that, they want to make even greater investments in first party, as well as their new SP ip's that they have debuted. I love that they have put more resources into creating, developing and researching single player games on top of multiplayer. If you look at the success they have had with Ori, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, Recore and Quantum Break, there is a clear vision in Phil's head about the importance of single player and game services. He has even stated numerous times that he is a single player gamer, and that is his passion that he wants to bring to Xbox. He loves that Sony has done well in that arena, and can see the justification for some of those ips.
So with MS focusing on Single Player as well as Games as a service and multiplayer, I think that should continue to keep the Xbox brand successful. It really is too bad that you have a select number of people in the world selectively read interviews and taking words out of context to create drama and hits.
Phil has made a lot of promises in the past 3 years, and I love that he is delivering on them.
Yeah, that's from the same interview if I recall. Again, it's people seeing what they want to see. That sentence should make it abundantly clear, and yet...
Eh, any bone to pick at this point.
The hardware argument doesn't exist anymore, so it HAD to shift to something else. After the DF spec expositions there were literally game sites complaining about "Who really needs a console this strong when all we want to do is just play games?" I mean this was something that we all here accurately predicted more than a month ago. The New Narrative Is Games. So the need to double down on the number of exclusives MS lacks becomes the new vehicle for driving critical overview against the Xbox One.
Soooo big surprise. Right?
Eh, any bone to pick at this point.
The hardware argument doesn't exist anymore, so it HAD to shift to something else. After the DF spec expositions there were literally game sites complaining about "Who really needs a console this strong when all we want to do is just play games?" I mean this was something that we all here accurately predicted more than a month ago. The New Narrative Is Games. So the need to double down on the number of exclusives MS lacks becomes the new vehicle for driving critical overview against the Xbox One.
Soooo big surprise. Right?
And of course if they bridge that gap, it'll still be "Oh, I'll just play them all on PC." Of course, MS still gets paid.
Eh, any bone to pick at this point.
The hardware argument doesn't exist anymore, so it HAD to shift to something else. After the DF spec expositions there were literally game sites complaining about "Who really needs a console this strong when all we want to do is just play games?" I mean this was something that we all here accurately predicted more than a month ago. The New Narrative Is Games. So the need to double down on the number of exclusives MS lacks becomes the new vehicle for driving critical overview against the Xbox One.
Soooo big surprise. Right?
Well that was the Union's preferred narrative when the generation started
Was it? Or was it "the difference isn't so big that it's a deal breaker" when we'd hear about how pathetically weak it was? 'Cuz thats what it was for me.
Narrative differs for everyone. Controller is my biggest differentiator for multiplats. I'd play on PS4 Slim over Scorpio if controllers were reversed. Honestly people need to stop being so offended by other people's consumer preferences.
My observation is that it's odd that niche exclusives have suddenly become the most important part about a console to the mainstream. In the span of a few weeks, Xbox gamers will have Prey, Little Nightmares, The Surge and Forza Hot Wheels. Before that there was Ghost Recon, Mass Effect and Halo Wars. Bunch of single player games in that mix.
The "there's no games" messaging is absolutely idiotic and a lot of people have exposed themself trying to contain other people's excitement by creating the most arbitrary changing standards.
It's always doom and gloom. That's what we do on forums. There wouldn't be anything to talk about otherwise. Obviously most people don't actually play games, they just speculate on things that don't even really matter. Otherwise game threads would be booming and these types of threads wouldn't last long. But it's the opposite, and in this case Microsoft brought the doom and gloom on themselves.
Agreed, but it's something that's so obvious that it doesn't need to be said. Can you imagine Sony coming out and saying this last gen but hinting they can't compete in multiplayer? How many more 360's would have been sold? Because right now, Phil just sold some PS4's with these comments. There's no reason to say it. You either do it or you don't. People want to know what the direction of the Xbox brand is. This didn't help clear that up at all. People should have known from day one this was the direction though. Less single player games, more service based games when it comes to exclusives. They've always relied heavily on third party and third party exclusive deals to deliver those single player games while prioritizing multiplayer with their first party studios.
Great video for anyone with an open mind. This guy has 1 million gamerscore, so i'd think people would value his opinion here. No offense Kvally, but i took a look at your profile and you only have 40,000 gamerscore in 14 years. You're not exactly a big gamer like the people who are questioning Microsoft's direction. If you play casually, then obviously Xbox is the best place to play. Not saying it's more casual than PS4 but come on. At this point, it's as pick up and play as it gets with their portfolio of exclusive games on offer.
Well the concept of no games is referring to exclusives but I agree that its nonsense.
I also think people like to jump to conclusions. A few years ago you would have said (and you did) that Sony wasn't investing as much in exclusives or new IPs as Microsoft and obviously that wasn't the case. If Sony can have a bad stretch then Microsoft should be allowed to as well. The truth is we won't know what direction Microsoft is taking their first party for a few years and they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry but you have no say whether I am a big gamer or not. Having owned and played nearly every console starting in the 70s with pong and on PC since TRS 80 and Commodore 64 you have NO IDEA how big of a gamer I am so I would not comment on that again in the future. Achievement whores don't make one a big gamer.
Move on.
It's okay to admit when you're wrong Kvally. Maybe more Xbox and less System Wars and you'd see why people are concerned with Microsoft's direction. It's not some grand conspiracy that you and others are making it out to be. Not everyone owns every console like you. People bought an Xbox expecting the blockbuster games Microsoft hypes up every year and they have the right to voice their opinion.
No hard feelings.
EA and Activision just released their earnings. I have close to zero idea of what are but I bet they padded their bottom line heavily with games as a service ideas.
WTF! Gamerscore? Really?
I've been gaming since Atari. Owned high end PCs during two generations. Nintendo, Sega Master System, Genesis, Super Nintendo, PlayStation, N64, OG Xbox, GameCube, 360, Wii...and now Xbox One and PS Pro.
My gamerscore is under 20K and I've had the same XBL account since it launched day 1. Being an achievment whore has no relation to how much of a gamer you are. Some of us ignore achievements.
In fact I'd argue that the reason my gamerscore is lower is that after years of binging on single player games, most linear, story driven single player campaigns are pretty stale in terms of gameplay and you don't get a lot of achievements playing online.
You seem to be missing the point. As with this topic, and why people are concerned. To you guys, it's just a conspiracy because you get what you want out of Xbox, and you own every console. No big deal, you'll get your fix elsewhere from other consoles if Xbox isn't getting it done.
Not everyone has that luxury. There are people who bought an Xbox One for specific games, for the reason that they believed it had or would have the best overall library of games. Gamerscore just shows how much you play your games, and if you have 40k in 14 years, you don't play very many games on Xbox to begin with. So obviously you wouldn't have the knowledge for this topic given that you don't have the experience.
It's like asking a plumber to fix a car. Obviously Microsoft's current single player offerings are more than enough for someone who only completes 2-3 games a year. You don't apply to the discussion, but please continue to tell others how they should feel about it.
Meh he has gone crazy today. I am too busy playing and enjoying games. Playing Gears 4, Horizon Zero Dawn and Cities Skylines Xbox One edition right now and haven't paid any attention to achievements. Just playing game after game.
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I spread my gaming in 14 years between Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4, Wii, PSP, 3DS and PC. I don't focus all my gaming on one device. If I could only play on one though it would be on Xbox for the better games better online and better controller.
Not really. Just addressing the elephant in the room. We're all going in circles about how we should feel about the topic and how it's just some console war nonsense and there's no real concern. Given the facts, every Xbox One single player experience outside of Halo and Gears has flopped this gen in sales and then going off these comments from Phil one can only wonder what the future holds. We're not getting any sequels to the games that flopped apparently and games are being canceled. So where is the money going? I don't think it's unreasonable to question a company's motives who's about to become the first trillion dollar company.
Trust me fellas, i'm not trying to question your heart as a gamer. Only your motives. If you barely play the few games that are on offer to begin with, how can we use that as a sample size to say that it's just a conspiracy? There are people out there who bought an Xbox for single player games believe it or not and they're simply wondering what's next for the brand. It's all valid concern, and anyone who payed $299, or especially $499 at launch has every right to voice that concern. Please stop trying to label everyone as a conspiracy theorist when these topics come up. A topic, that Microsoft started themselves.
But they didn't flop.
I'm not labeling anyone. As a hardcore gamer I get to enjoy all the systems including the awesome Xbox line up including single player games.
You basically said anyone questioning Phil's comments is trying to stir up drama and create hits. Maybe some are. For a lot of Sony Ponies, sure it's just a way of hating on the brand. But like i said, given the facts it just doesn't add up. There's more to the story.
Even if people are just creating drama it's no different than what happened last gen. In fact, last gen was worse. People actually said there would be no PS3 just because the 360 was beating the piss out of it early on. At least if you're an Xbox fan, you know there's another console coming.
So knowing that. Why not expect more from them? Instead of just giving them a pass. Oh well, they canceled half the lineup for 2017 but i've got endless multplat games to play this year so no worries. Burying your head in the sand doesn't solve the problem. It only makes it worse.