Verge : inside Microsoft's audacious plan to take over the living room

Hammerclaw said:
Funny how, on the one hand, Sony fans belittle The Xbox media features, then in the same breath, tout similar features on their console. *LOL*
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"Sony fans" is not a singular entity.

Personally I don't think either console's media features are a reason to buy one console over the other, especially when they do 99% of the same thing and the public is not clamoring for media features they already have or can have for a lot less $. If some of you are excited about pulling up IE on your TV while interrupting your game or surfing the cable guide with your voice, more power to you. As with anything price and content is what will win the day though. Just defending MS for every move they make is not helpful, especially as the evidence points to them getting killed in pre-orders.

They should get rid of the bundled camera a lot of people don't want (including a lot of us 360 fans who didn't care for Kinect) and beat the PS4 on price--$349.99--it is only right considering the hardware is not as good. This may be the first time I've ever seen the weaker console be the most expensive one (the closest I have seen to mimicking this has been the PS3).
 
Mcmasters said:
Gaming isnt suffering though Zombie Its maturing and becoming more stream lined with Hollywood blockbusters. These consoles are powerful, simple as that. If you are comparing consoles to high-end PC's, then there really shouldn't be an argument: stick with the PC if thats what tickles your fancy. But again, next gen's hardware HAS to have multi media functionality in order to survive in this industry. There's just too much competition with tablets and smart phones making their own splash as it were.

Sure, you have said services behind a paywall, BUT when your getting a superior online experience for all of your entertainment not to mention gaming, the price of admission becomes a non issue. There's no denying that Live is such a service. Smart TV's are great. Hell I have one. But I never use any of the services or features included on my TV other than the power button. For a multi media all in one box, there's no doubt in my mind the XO gets the nod. Hands down, but a gaming console would get absolutely murdered in today's industry. Even Sony knows this.
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Zombie, how do you state that "gaming has suffered because of multi media features included" (I'm guessing because it gets in the way of having more power?), but then also acknowledge that a gaming console has to do more than just play games mate? :confused: I'm confused now.
 
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Yoyoniner said:
"Sony fans" is not a singular entity.

Personally I don't think either console's media features are a reason to buy one console over the other, especially when they do 99% of the same thing and the public is not clamoring for media features they already have or can have for a lot less $. If some of you are excited about pulling up IE on your TV while interrupting your game or surfing the cable guide with your voice, more power to you. As with anything price and content is what will win the day though. Just defending MS for every move they make is not helpful, especially as the evidence points to them getting killed in pre-orders.

They should get rid of the bundled camera a lot of people don't want (including a lot of us 360 fans who didn't care for Kinect) and beat the PS4 on price--$349.99--it is only right considering the hardware is not as good. This may be the first time I've ever seen the weaker console be the most expensive one (the closest I have seen to mimicking this has been the PS3).
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Reading your posts YO is like going through a time warp backwards. f*** sakes mate...:confused:
 
BIGJOHN said:
To add to your points, it was the PS3 that pushed gamers to pay for a Blu-Ray player at $600 for the premium version ($500 for the lesser version).

Also, the big ad campaign for PS3 was "It only does everything ." This was fine for SONY to go after, but for Microsoft somehow it's a big problem.
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It only does everything with the camera, and without it, the Ps4 is still being sold at a significant loss, by a company a company already hemorrahging
Yoyoniner said:
"Sony fans" is not a singular entity.

Personally I don't think either console's media features are a reason to buy one console over the other, especially when they do 99% of the same thing and the public is not clamoring for media features they already have or can have for a lot less $. If some of you are excited about pulling up IE on your TV while interrupting your game or surfing the cable guide with your voice, more power to you. As with anything price and content is what will win the day though. Just defending MS for every move they make is not helpful, especially as the evidence points to them getting killed in pre-orders.

They should get rid of the bundled camera a lot of people don't want (including a lot of us 360 fans who didn't care for Kinect) and beat the PS4 on price--$349.99--it is only right considering the hardware is not as good. This may be the first time I've ever seen the weaker console be the most expensive one (the closest I have seen to mimicking this has been the PS3).
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Obviously, you don't qualify as a Xbox One owner. Not surprising. Enjoy playing games on that "more powerful console". If you're right--you are sure you're right, aren't you, and all those highly paid professionals in Redmond wrong--we're all doomed here, anyway? You should conserve you're strength 'cause you'll need it, in a few days to run damage control, when you find out Sony hasn't led you to the Promised Land. "Knee-jerk reaction"
is singular. Re-read the sentence
 
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Mcmasters said:
Zombie, how do you state that "gaming has suffered because of multi media features included" (I'm guessing because it gets in the way of having more power?), but then also acknowledge that a gaming console has to do more than just play games mate? :confused: I'm confused now.
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having apps that every other modern electronic device has makes sense. It's the cherry on top.

When it goes beyond the being the cherry on top and becomes the scoop or multiple scoops of ice cream in the sundae and takes precedent on what I personally think is more important, gaming, then no dice.
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Hammerclaw said:
It only does everything with the camera, and without it, the Ps4 is still being sold at a significant loss, by a company a company already hemorrahging

Obviously, you don't qualify as a Xbox One owner. Not surprising. Enjoy playing games on that "more powerful console". If you're right--you are sure you're right, aren't you, and all those highly paid professinals in Redmond wrong--we're all doomed here, anyway? You should conserve you're strength 'cause you'll need it, in a few days to run damage control, when you find out Sony hasn't led you to the Promised Land.
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Regardless of the backlash Microsoft has taken up to this point and the hate that has ran rampant on the internet, the real story will begin once these consoles hit the ground running. Software will be the essential factor to gain the needed traction. Microsoft has this in spades. I think people will be quite surprised by the results, regardless of the PS4 being 100$ cheaper.
 
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It doesn't matter that there are numerous devices that do a myriad of things. The benefit of the X1 is one device that does it all within a consistent framework and control methodology. No switching or reaching for physical objects and devices; one device that is multiple virtual devices. That is what will put X1 on top this generation and where Sony will be left behind as it tries to play catch up which it will NOT BE ABLE TO DO.
 
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Rollins said:
If you can afford $400 you can afford $500.

2 of the same scenarios: Thanksgiving comes, and the family is all hanging out.

In one scenario you have a box that plays cool games. Is anyone else in the family interested?

Maybe.

In the other scenario, you have a box that plays cool games, but wait...the family is watching the football game, and the stats are popping up as the game is being played. Then a skype call from uncle bill who couldn't make it but wants to say hi to the family. Little Jimmy walks in the room and the box recognizes him and says hello. Halftime comes and the kids want to play a game, so 4 of them instantly play a dance game simultaneously without using a controller. But Aunt Flo wants to browse IE looking for sales online without interrupting the game. Done.

We can argue specs, resolution, etc all we want, but the average consumer doesn't know/care about any of it.
Given the 2 very possible scenarios above, which do you think is going to get the average consumer most excited?

I honestly feel that MS is going to run away with this within 2-3 years.
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that is what I said back at TXB.

If $500 is breaking the bank so as $400.
 
I'm buying my X1 for games, mostly exclusives. I know who would have thought right? :D

I have a beast PC hooked up to my TV and to a monitor, with no intent to upset anyone, I can do with that PC more than I can with my X1 and PS4 that I have paid for and am just waiting to go pick up.

Also in Australia, most of those exclusive X1 features do not work here, MS does not support much outside of MP gaming here, even Azure servers won't be here until 2014!

Dead Rising 3 and Fifa 14 it is!
 
Mcmasters said:
Anyone who can't see the value of having all of the TV, video, music and internet features built in side their gaming consoles has no imagination. Never mind the Kinect functions , Skype etc. Having a multi media entertainment box is definitely a plus and a step forward.

In fact, at this point, having just a game console doesnt sound very appealing, and archaic. Its really great to have options. I for one would be beyond pissed if my favorite consoles was really just another gaming console. Things change mate.......thank god:cool:

Not to take a dig at the PS4 but in many ways, it endorses the idea that gaming consoles and gaming in general haven't matured. The XO is a testament to how far the idea of entertainment as a whole has come. The Ps4 will be great for what it does in and of itself, but its important to get rid of that stigma floating around gamers and video games. I think this coming generation is all about that. The entire gaming community (including manufacturers) should act accordingly.
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Not only that they are tvs are coming with camera on them using skype. With so many smart tv doing this which their software sucks you are better of getting the X1.
 
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ZombiesRUCrazy said:
having apps that every other modern electronic device has makes sense. It's the cherry on top.

When it goes beyond the being the cherry on top and becomes the scoop or multiple scoops of ice cream in the sundae and takes precedent on what I personally think is more important, gaming, then no dice.
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But in this industry, no device can afford one and not the other (games and entertainment) without seriously hemorrhaging heavy amounts of blood in the water. In this gen, entertainment services AND gaming will both play significant roles. It would be better to try and hit the mark with both, versus primarily gaming. The Ps4 is a gaming console with mult media features playing as an after thought. The XO is a multi media box wth seamless functions working together (not excluding gaming) This is the direction I feel will ensure consumers keep coming back for and ultimately choosing overall.
 
Nervusbreakdown said:
No only that they are tvs are coming with camera on them using skype. With so many smart tv doing this which their software sucks you are better of getting the X1.
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I have the Samsung with motion/camera and voice control. It is so evolutionally behind Kinect 1 that it actually is more of a hindrance to have those features active. Those are gimmicks, this is the real deal.
 
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Mcmasters said:
Really? Wow! If that's the case, which generation of television( or gamers for that matter) is Sony after mate? Early 90's?

You are absolutely correct that cable TV isnt as popular as streaming these days but you find the same options on the XO with Hulu, Netflix etc. There simply is no shortage of options that wont cover everyone's need in the living room. If you do happen to have Comcast etc, then the XO is still a viable option. If you stream (which my family does often) those bases are covered as well. I'm still not following your post actually....it's....off.:confused:
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No idea what Sony has to do with this conversation, but they are going after the same audience, and had the article been titled Inside Sony's audacious ...I would have been saying the same about them. Though, in fairness, it doesn't seem to be the same focus or selling point at present. No one is saying there are a shortage of options. As far as I can tell there isn't a shortage at all. The question is whether the audience still views the living room as MS does.
 
Phuque said:
No idea what Sony has to do with this conversation, but they are going after the same audience, and had the article been titled Inside Sony's audacious ...I would have been saying the same about them. Though, in fairness, it doesn't seem to be the same focus or selling point at present. No one is saying there are a shortage of options. As far as I can tell there isn't a shortage at all. The question is whether the audience still views the living room as MS does.
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The living room has evolved into a quick functioning, multi media playroom these days. I think the XO is timely and relevant as hell!

EDIT: The XO is also a very forward thinking entertainment console, in essence its prepared for tomorrow too. Oh hell yes! It's very relevant!
 
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btw, the surface rt camera sucks ass. They need to get some carl zeiss up in that s***.
 
I used to think its stupid to take pictures with cellphone. I have not much issue with Kinect, hell even the pricing, even with European pricing, but I think they should have beefed up the hardware. Its good for gamer, no matter which console you buy, that the specification are similar so resource need not be used to optimise each hardwares, which means more time to design the game.
 
SevenDead1ySinz said:
Drop the surface and get the 2520 when it's out
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I'm actually thinking about upgrading to an 8 inch tablet.

Right now a 8 inch surface(easier to use while in bed and on the john lol), full hd screen or higher, with a baytrail processor would be sick in my eyes.

I really like the look of the Dell Venue Pro 8 and you can't beat the price for the thing, but I just want that full hd screen.
 
ZombiesRUCrazy said:
I personally see more value in the blu ray player then in Microsoft's tv stuff....especially since here in my temporary home in AZ I have no tv and at my home in CA, we stream our live television/recorded television through our home server.

And it was never fine for sony to go after the "it only does everything" because their s*** suffered drastically. Do you not remember 'sony has no games' mockery of the ps3 for the first few years?

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At the time PS3 was released, alot of people didn't own an HDTV to take advantage of the extra resolution. It was good for you but not for the majority of the consumers. It was a $600 console. That's above the price of an XBOX ONE, and it didn't do tv, multitasking, video conferencing, cloud computing, etc.

The ad campaign wasn't at launch. It began much later when Playstation had games. Plus, as of now, I don't see SONY's games being better than the XBOX ONE's lineup. XBOX ONE games won more awards than PS4 at E3. So, for a console dedicated to games, they aren't stacking up.
 
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