Warhammer 40k Fans Upset Females Exist

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The faction was originally depicted as being exclusively male. After the Emperor united the warring factions of Earth under the Imperium's banner over 10,000 years ago, he began a tradition where the noble houses would give up their firstborn infant sons to become material to make Custodes.

But the most recent 10th-edition codexincludes a point-of-view piece of lore from Calladayce Taurovalia Kesh, who uses she/her pronouns. Some fans wondered if this was a Sister of Silence (Custodes work hand in hand with this mysterious order of mute women with a powerful immunity to the Warp), but the official Warhammer account confirmed that she was actually a female Custodes.

Fans weren't thrilled with the reveal. "Ever since 1987, not so much as a whisper in lore or novels, or a single miniature," one fan wrote in response on X. "Now all of a sudden BOOM 'they were always a thing'. No worldbuilding or development. So disappointing and pathetic." The reveal was also discussed on 40K fan forums and subreddits, such as the meme board r/Grimdank, which maintains a "no female Space Marine" rule because it's such a heated and contentious topic in the fandom.

In light of the reveal, the mods are allowing posts on the topic for one week. The pinned post by mods reads, in part: "By then i'll consider the proverbial horse dead and truely beaten, since realistically both topics share the exact same arguments meaning they've already been answered by and from all POVs."

This raises the question of whether this is a retcon — one that goes against the long-standing identity of the Custodes — or whether it's just aligning the lore with ideas from creatives involved with the franchise. Warhammer is no stranger to retcons; a core concept of the setting is that players are piecing together a subjective truth from biased documents and historical events.

The social media furor currently unfolding suggests that female Custodes are a big deal, but it's actually a relatively minor change, especially compared to the other changes Custodes have seen recently. For example, they're now leaving Terra, trekking out into real space alongside Roboute Guilliman and the armies of the Imperium. Games Workshop also hands out retcons regularly, like the change to the Necrons that turned them from mysterious Terminators to fully fleshed-out characters dealing with politics and power struggles.

Change can be good, and the Custodes still retain all the moral ambiguity and lore from their previous iterations. Some fans will simply be delighted at the possibility of a 10-foot-tall woman who could crush the enemies of mankind — and I think that's beautiful.
 
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The title is laterally false

They keep using this tactics, gender swap, race swap, turn them purposely gay of established and even historically people that were clearly not. When people call them out, they use their usual smear tactics you are racist, sexist and other names .
If this doesn’t work, they use their 2nd tactic, saying they face harrassment, threats to silence people. Or use some isolated tweets to proof this.
i am not invested in war hammer, or star war, or any fantasy world but I can understand how lore and consistent are important to fans.
If everything can just change in a wimp, these fantasy worlds and characters in them has no value.

If wathammer create a new faction all women, call Amazon or something, no one will have issue .
Or that they lose too much men, now woman need to be recruited from now on, Ala gears or war 3, no one will have an issue.

In Diablo lore, there is a faction call sisterhood of sightless eye, rogues that are all female. In Diablo 4, they update lore that after event or d3, more rogue faction pop up that include men. Sightless eyes remain all female.
If you want to have a diversity, this is how you do it, not go back original lore and change it.
 
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But the more was never fully completed, its ever growing, like elder scrolls? Maybe there were never any notable ones to well take notice of.

Like I’m sure fans of marvels versions of Thor aren’t upset and disappointed with his looks not resembling what thors original description may be, like something fans or those who know consider GOW rendition of Thor more accurate, cos dad bod….?
 
Custodes are bespoke genetically created super soliders cloned from the Emperor. They are considerably more powerful than even the space marines. Each one created is singularly unique. There should never be a female one. Same way as there should never be a female space marine. It’s part of the lore.

Warhammer is the single most brutal, unforgiving and savage existence there is. They should not be trying to shoehorn in social diversity- it will ruin the grim dark concept.
 
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But the more was never fully completed, its ever growing, like elder scrolls? Maybe there were never any notable ones to well take notice of.

Like I’m sure fans of marvels versions of Thor aren’t upset and disappointed with his looks not resembling what thors original description may be, like something fans or those who know consider GOW rendition of Thor more accurate, cos dad bod….?
It was the lore for 3 decades.

There is a big difference between how somebody looks and complete change to the character or world. This is like changing Thor from Asgadian to African for no real point or purpose.
 
It was the lore for 3 decades.

There is a big difference between how somebody looks and complete change to the character or world. This is like changing Thor from Asgadian to African for no real point or purpose.
A lot of people base their views on appearance. Like a people who changed their view Joel when they found out the actor who played him on tv found out he wasn’t white, many were like “oh, they got a Mexican to play an American character” but in reality he’s Chilean. I know here in the states they didn’t consider Irish or Italians white for the longest time. It’s funny in the latest census now they out Filipinos by saying Asian of non Spanish decent, and yet they still list Pacific Islanders.

What if Thor was from South Africa? He’ll still have that English Australian accent, even though Thor never had one or spoke with a Shakespearean tongue.

But some characters get swapped with no real fuss unless they’re a main, like Mordo.

But why should it matter if said character is made up? What if the purpose is the actor is just that good, than why not? Johnatan Majors played a great Kang, but it’s a shame of the things he did that were already setting him up for bigger things in his career.

Is it really change when more detail is added, or comes to light? Sometimes creators have notes to things in their bible that isn’t ever released to the public, unless their children or estate release it, sometimes to the disappointment of fans.
 
A lot of people base their views on appearance. Like a people who changed their view Joel when they found out the actor who played him on tv found out he wasn’t white, many were like “oh, they got a Mexican to play an American character” but in reality he’s Chilean. I know here in the states they didn’t consider Irish or Italians white for the longest time. It’s funny in the latest census now they out Filipinos by saying Asian of non Spanish decent, and yet they still list Pacific Islanders.

What if Thor was from South Africa? He’ll still have that English Australian accent, even though Thor never had one or spoke with a Shakespearean tongue.

But some characters get swapped with no real fuss unless they’re a main, like Mordo.

But why should it matter if said character is made up? What if the purpose is the actor is just that good, than why not? Johnatan Majors played a great Kang, but it’s a shame of the things he did that were already setting him up for bigger things in his career.

Is it really change when more detail is added, or comes to light? Sometimes creators have notes to things in their bible that isn’t ever released to the public, unless their children or estate release it, sometimes to the disappointment of fans.
We are talking lore changes. Not what views the general masses have. As for TLOU, You saw the uproar over the whole gay episode which was really just a passing comment/observation in the game. Was only done because of modern woke Social politics. The uproar over Pascal's ethnicity couldn't have been that loud because I don't recall ever seeing it.


Look at the uproar over Halo TV show and the Master Chief taking his helmet off.

Look at the uproar over the Little Mermaid. Look at the uproar over Mulan.

Like I said, How a character looks isn't the be all end all. The characters from Game of Thrones didn't actually match the books. People didn't really care because the show tried to stay faithful to the world and characters G.R.R Martin created.

But obvious race swaps just for the sake of social politics is simply a no no.

Lore is often massively important to the fans because it is the foundation of everything. Chief never taking his helmet off left a mysterious element to him that was destroyed in the show.
 
Lets get this straight. Most people do not have issue if the actors isn't as close as possible to the source chars they played, otherwise the chooses will be too narrow & hard to find. But the concenciuous is to at least have them reasonably fit the role.
The rock had played Spanish (jungle cruise), an eyptian (Scorpion king), and Greek (hercules) and no one give a damn, as he looked the part. There is a very entertaining Korean Cinderella, whetre everyone is "shockingly" Korean. No one is upset, because it was not Korean swapping of a german tale, but clearly a reimagined of the tale.
Key word is intentional.
Let us returned to Game of throne. This is diversity done right. They have different ethnicity but it feel organic, as they fit the locations they were from like a fantasy middle ages. You can feel there is a larger world due to the different cultures. If you see a brown face in Westro, you know he was from a far away land, was he a trader?
Nowadays, you see fantasy films with clearly European middle ages inspired but we have cosmopolitcans of people. There is no sense of a larger world out there, where people of other culture & ethnical lives.

I give a simple analogy how I think of diversity
When I go to a place to have dinner, I like to have wide selections of food, Mexican, Chinese, Lenanese, Thai, French, Candian, maybe not Candian. I don't need (not say you cannot have have) every restaurants in isolation to have international selection of food.
When I watch a streaming service. I like the choice to have international selection of film. Korean is my new dig, but I am liking Nordic films as well, like Abyss, The troll etc. I don't need every show to have united nation of people. I am not so thick to need to see myself in every film. I have a mirror.

Wh cannot be made new Fantasy world base on Mayan, or Maori? Why cannot we made film base of myth from Africa or South America, or Sumatra? There are some many untapped potinetial, and you have organic diversity.
 
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We are talking lore changes. Not what views the general masses have. As for TLOU, You saw the uproar over the whole gay episode which was really just a passing comment/observation in the game. Was only done because of modern woke Social politics. The uproar over Pascal's ethnicity couldn't have been that loud because I don't recall ever seeing it.


Look at the uproar over Halo TV show and the Master Chief taking his helmet off.

Look at the uproar over the Little Mermaid. Look at the uproar over Mulan.

Like I said, How a character looks isn't the be all end all. The characters from Game of Thrones didn't actually match the books. People didn't really care because the show tried to stay faithful to the world and characters G.R.R Martin created.

But obvious race swaps just for the sake of social politics is simply a no no.

Lore is often massively important to the fans because it is the foundation of everything. Chief never taking his helmet off left a mysterious element to him that was destroyed in the show.
Because super fans are annoyingly married to lore. I wouldn't want MC taking his helmet off in the games but its ridiculous that its some red line that can't be crossed in any medium.
 
We are talking lore changes. Not what views the general masses have. As for TLOU, You saw the uproar over the whole gay episode which was really just a passing comment/observation in the game. Was only done because of modern woke Social politics. The uproar over Pascal's ethnicity couldn't have been that loud because I don't recall ever seeing it.


Look at the uproar over Halo TV show and the Master Chief taking his helmet off.

Look at the uproar over the Little Mermaid. Look at the uproar over Mulan.

Like I said, How a character looks isn't the be all end all. The characters from Game of Thrones didn't actually match the books. People didn't really care because the show tried to stay faithful to the world and characters G.R.R Martin created.

But obvious race swaps just for the sake of social politics is simply a no no.

Lore is often massively important to the fans because it is the foundation of everything. Chief never taking his helmet off left a mysterious element to him that was destroyed in the show.
I’ve only read three halo books, and the two with chief in it I can’t recall exactly but I’m pretty sure there were many moments where he was walking about with his helmet off. Like when he got into a fight with an odst.

Could it have worked for the tv series to have him take off his helmet say a hand full of times like it was done in “the mandalorian”?

I haven’t seen the series yet, and I missed out on claiming the perk for paramount on gpu 😆
 
The Halo analogy is a poor one. This change in Warhammer hits at the foundation of that entire universe. It's far more significant than if you see Chief's face or not. The entire point of the the Space Marines and the Custodes is that they are not diverse!! They modified clones from the Emperor's gene stock. They have no free will, no desires other than to serve & die and are essentially slaves to their faith. Hence the ten thousand years of war... they literally cannot change who or what they are and they don't see a need to either. It's all part of the horror of that universe.
 
The Halo analogy is a poor one. This change in Warhammer hits at the foundation of that entire universe. It's far more significant than if you see Chief's face or not. The entire point of the the Space Marines and the Custodes is that they are not diverse!! They modified clones from the Emperor's gene stock. They have no free will, no desires other than to serve & die and are essentially slaves to their faith. Hence the ten thousand years of war... they literally cannot change who or what they are and they don't see a need to either. It's all part of the horror of that universe.
Like in Star Wars clone wars, only just not anything after that 😆

But was it not stated that they’ve already retconned many things in said lore?
 
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Like in Star Wars clone wars, only just not anything after that 😆

But was it not stated that they’ve already retconned many things in said lore?
Yeah, it changes and updates as the years go by but they haven't messed with anything so foundational in the past - as far as I can remember anyway - and for such a bulls*** reason as well.
 
Yeah, it changes and updates as the years go by but they haven't messed with anything so foundational in the past - as far as I can remember anyway - and for such a bulls*** reason as well.
Wait, what was the reason? Is this what it’s like when people find out that Jesus is middle eastern and not Christian?
 
I think we can have a discussion what is important, what is not, for sure. Having discussion is fine.

What I cannot stand is SMEARING people who oppose establablised lore and character change (almost certain chnages NOT done by the original authors), as some bigots.

This is why game "journalism" or "journalism" for that matters are in the toilets, and every day, less people trust and care about them.
 
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Because super fans are annoyingly married to lore. I wouldn't want MC taking his helmet off in the games but its ridiculous that its some red line that can't be crossed in any medium.
Not really. No more ridiculous than you not wanting it in the game.
 
The Halo analogy is a poor one. This change in Warhammer hits at the foundation of that entire universe. It's far more significant than if you see Chief's face or not. The entire point of the the Space Marines and the Custodes is that they are not diverse!! They modified clones from the Emperor's gene stock. They have no free will, no desires other than to serve & die and are essentially slaves to their faith. Hence the ten thousand years of war... they literally cannot change who or what they are and they don't see a need to either. It's all part of the horror of that universe.
It is poor because you misunderstood its usage.
 
I’ve only read three halo books, and the two with chief in it I can’t recall exactly but I’m pretty sure there were many moments where he was walking about with his helmet off. Like when he got into a fight with an odst.

Could it have worked for the tv series to have him take off his helmet say a hand full of times like it was done in “the mandalorian”?

I haven’t seen the series yet, and I missed out on claiming the perk for paramount on gpu 😆
That is just bigotry talking. You obviously hate helmets.
 
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Not really. No more ridiculous than you not wanting it in the game.
I wouldn't throw a fit about that either but I didn't say anything is wrong with someone not wanting it. I said it shouldn't be a red line.

They also aren't the same thing. The game is something already established. The show was a new thing that was always going to have to make changes just like with any adaptation.
 
I wouldn't throw a fit about that either but I didn't say anything is wrong with someone not wanting it. I said it shouldn't be a red line.

They also aren't the same thing. The game is something already established. The show was a new thing that was always going to have to make changes just like with any adaptation.
There are changes then there is s***ting on lore. No point making a Halo TV show that isn't Halo.

Everything has to respect the source material. End of. Crapping on lore is not respectful. If you want proof of that just search around for poor adaptations and good.
 
Yep. It was one of many examples designed to show how in general lore or source material changes are always met with uproar.

That isn't how you took it.
Disagree completely. It was a poor analogy and now the conversation has moved over to talking about Halo.
 
There are changes then there is s***ting on lore. No point making a Halo TV show that isn't Halo.

Everything has to respect the source material. End of. Crapping on lore is not respectful. If you want proof of that just search around for poor adaptations and good.
I agree with that the question is what is important and what isn't. Some fans treat every little thing like its sacred even focusing on something that barely matters. Halo TV show has way more things that are questionable.

MC not showing his face in the games is really just a gimmick rather than some huge piece of lore.
 
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