Xbox One wins early Blackfriday sales battle

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Selling a console at loss or profit is entirely market driven. You could have an X1 or PS4 encrusted with gold and diamonds, but if nobody wants to pay more than $1,000 for it, then it'll sell for $1,000. If the loss is too big, the product will be discontinued.

Nintendo always seems to sell console sand handhelds at a profit, with exception of Wii U where a Nintendo exec said it would breakeven if they sold a console with a game.

A console maker selling a console for a loss or breakeven for sake of building a user base to get future software sales is true, but really just a political answer. The actual reason is because MS, Nintendo and Sony would sell crap all if they jacked up the wholesale price to make lots of money and then the retailer jacked up the price so they could make 20-30% margin. At the end of the day, that $400-500 console would be $700, $800 or $900..... PC territory and hardly anyone would buy it.
 
hrudey said:
Please. You're saying they're artificially restricting supply because they want to push off sales two to three years to make money on the consoles. Just stop. There's simply no reason at all to even remotely consider that's true unless it's your fervent desire for that to be true, but there's no point in discussing this with a true believer.
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Oh, ok then, thats why Sony did a targeted regional release, made sure that all the demand for the console was filled in just a few select important markets, and didn't go all nuts and try and release the product to the entire world.

Oh wait, that's what Microsoft did. Sony is the one that did a world wide launch and went crazy and isn't able to meet demand anywhere...
 
XBoxNeo said:
Oh, ok then, thats why Sony did a targeted regional release, made sure that all the demand for the console was filled in just a few select important markets, and didn't go all nuts and try and release the product to the entire world.

Oh wait, that's what Microsoft did. Sony is the one that did a world wide launch and went crazy and isn't able to meet demand anywhere...
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Neo logic 101:
If something happens, you can make up anything at all ridiculous to explain why it happened, and then you can prove you're right by saying it happened. I could just as well say that Sony split their launch because they could only manufacturer consoles in batches of a million because they can only get that much GDDR every two weeks. That'd actually be less stupid than what you're suggesting since there's actually some real-world plausibility to having supply shortages constrain manufacturer, rather than pretending that they're purposefully withholding consoles to avoid selling them. Enjoy life, and don't take the fact that I'm no longer responding to you as anything more than confirmation that I won't be seeing anything else you write.
 
Well somewhere there was a mistake made. How is it that Sony wasnt prepared for Black Friday with a plentiful supply? Why miss out on one of the biggest selling events around the country? I'm not implying that I have a clue, I dont. But it still doesnt make sense. Black Friday is huge! People literally die to take advantage of it.
 
Mcmasters said:
Well somewhere there was a mistake made. How is it that Sony wasnt prepared for Black Friday with a plentiful supply? Why miss out on one of the biggest selling events around the country? I'm not implying that I have a clue, I dont. But it still doesnt make sense. Black Friday is huge! People literally die to take advantage of it.
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Likely had to do with their focus on supplying the European launch, which was the same day.
 
Mcmasters said:
Well somewhere there was a mistake made. How is it that Sony wasnt prepared for Black Friday with a plentiful supply? Why miss out on one of the biggest selling events around the country? I'm not implying that I have a clue, I dont. But it still doesnt make sense. Black Friday is huge! People literally die to take advantage of it.
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I think it's simply a matter of purposely selling out the consoles as fast as possible and not reserving enough for weeks down the road. If Sony has 3M consoles to sell, might as well just sell them asap instead of holding back a bunch for Black Friday thus letting some on the fence guys buy an X1 if they saw both consoles sitting there.

It's not like PS4 or X1 were paraded as hot Black Friday deals. All the super hot deals were current gen stuff. Most places (if not all) were just selling them at regular price. I know there were no deals in Canada here. Not even any X1/PS4 game deals.
 
Intellivision said:
And what does Sony's PS+ Amazon deal (which can applied to PS3 or PS4) have to do with Black Friday X1/PS4 console sales?
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Nothing, never said it had to do with console sales, I was responding to Ape. Sony's PS+ deal was for the entire U.S. by the way. Every store in the country had it 40% off.

Come on man you're slipping. I miss the old Intellivision. The one with the Smart Match, Rep System, Cloud, HDMI in, 1080p/60fps exclusives, 4k gaming, acts as dev kit: Only on Xbox One sig. That Intelli had some meat to him and I would be honored to team up with someone like that on BF4, because that's a fighter. Hey at least your textures still "pop" with that slick sharpening filter and all that upscaling. ;)
 
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Yoyoniner said:
Come on man you're slipping. I miss the old Intellivision. The one with the Smart Match, Rep System, Cloud, HDMI in, 1080p/60fps exclusives, 4k gaming, acts as dev kit: Only on Xbox One sig.
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Actually, those X1 things still apply.
 
This is like the start of the first lap of the Daytona 500, so it's a bit ludicrous to being touting who's ahead or fretting about who's behind. This competition will go on for years, with many ups and downs and pitfalls and perils on the road ahead. Both consoles have launched sucessfully, so I'm going to pop the top on a brewsky, open a bag of cheetos and kick back and enjoy the race. Looks like fun.:txbcool:
 
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This is like the start of the first lap of the Daytona 500, so it's a bit ludicrous to being touting who's ahead or fretting about who's behind. This competition will go on for years, with many ups and downs and pitfalls and perils on the road ahead. Both consoles have launched sucessfully, so I'm going to pop the top on a brewsky, open a bag of cheetos and kick back and enjoy the race. Looks like fun.:txbcool:
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Yeah, but the team that is hung over from their pre-race victory party last night hasn't showed up to their places in the pit-stop area, and their driver is having engine problems.
 
Walked into a Walmart today. I saw 100's of people walking out with a PS4, and only ONE walking out with a Bone.
 
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Well if it makes anyone feel better, PS4 is the fastest selling console in UK history AND outsold Wii U's lifetime to date in the UK. Also...Knack outsold Super Mario 3D lol.
 
Ketto said:
This is like the perfect time to post a funny gif that sums up everyone's feelings. So pretend I did.
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Edit: Anyways, I don't know if "defeat" is the right word, or even accurate for that matter.
 
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