#)#)$)$$*&!&!& you Supreme Court!
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hobby lobby support 16 out of the 20 contraception's available
and are given free to their women employees
they object to 4 as they are considered abortion pills
and the Supremes did this one right
the liberal left would have you think the Hobby Lobby was not providing contraception pills, which is not true
and are given free to their women employees
they object to 4 as they are considered abortion pills
and the Supremes did this one right
the liberal left would have you think the Hobby Lobby was not providing contraception pills, which is not true
Isn't that the issue though? They decide what is and isn't an abortion pill for their employees? More importantly, the obviously big issue here that HL is putting themselves into what should be private business between one of their employees and doctors. Does HL even foot the bill for that stuff? In my experience, retail store health insurance is taken out of the employee's pay.
Hypocrisy
Hobby Lobby invests in abortion pill manufacturers, buy most of there goods from China (where abortion is a gov't mandate)
f*** you Hobby Lobby and f*** you 5 of the 9 supreme court justices for throwing us back into the 19th century.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-invests-in-em_n_5070279.html
Hobby Lobby invests in abortion pill manufacturers, buy most of there goods from China (where abortion is a gov't mandate)
f*** you Hobby Lobby and f*** you 5 of the 9 supreme court justices for throwing us back into the 19th century.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-invests-in-em_n_5070279.html
I don't think the China argument has much merit as some think. Not to say it isn't hypocritical, but on a national level. Corporation, citizen, government, you name it. I do think being makers of so called "abortion pills" is a huge red herring of hypocrisy for the specifics of this case. Even if the bigger picture here is whether this is a drop in the bucket or a sign of things to come. Cases like this don't come and go. Don't be surprised to see this cased used as evidence for any and all businesses with religious claims to deny employees certain rights. Not say it'll be successful, but it does worry be a tad bit.
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Its ok when a company who's corporate investments are in other pharma companies that manufacturer abortion pills (i.e. the morning after pill) as long as they make a profit!
I hate to use the term but this is a slippery slope and totally negates "equal opportunity employer"
I hate to use the term but this is a slippery slope and totally negates "equal opportunity employer"
I had no idea it was a company's responsibility to make sure their female workers who can't keep their legs closed to make sure they can't have a baby.
Ah personal responsibility it's a thing of the past. I f***ed up so someone else should be forced to pay for it. no idea how that is a right and someone should be forced to give it to you.
Ah personal responsibility it's a thing of the past. I f***ed up so someone else should be forced to pay for it. no idea how that is a right and someone should be forced to give it to you.
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they pay for 16 out of the 20 pills
is that enough for you?
they will not support the day after pill
as they believe it violates their religious beliefs
and I fully agree with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEVER NEVER have I seen my country go down this sheer path of evil that forces people to go against what they believe
careful, what you wish for
we are all one step from a dictatorship
and none are blind as those who simply will not see
the Supremes did this one right
benefits a company offers are just that
they should never be forced into giving those
its a choice and you can choose to work for those that give you what you want
I hate this age of entitlement..
its the last step toward a nation falling
yes I will be doing a thread on that
I am very good with those as I have done them before
Using that argument, one can also argue that it's not the company's responsibility to take care of workers when they get sick.
I mean, I had no idea it was a company's responsibility to make sure their employees get proper meds when they get sick, when they could have taken care of themselves better.
That's kinda how insurance works.
No that is basic health needs. that is not even close to the same thing. To try and link this s*** to basic health needs and some basic human right is one of the dumbest god damn f***ing thing I've seen. Don't want a baby take birth control or keep your damn legs closed. s*** you can still buy what you need so no right is denied just someone else is not willing to pay for your f*** up.
f*** people have no idea WTF a damn right even is any more. Seems rights are now someone owes me cause I'm a f***ing dumb-ass who can't run my own life and it's their duty to fix it for me.
Doesn't matter.....since when was it anyone's responsibility to provide basic healthcare to someone else? Since when was healthcare a "right"?
Don't be so blinded that you can't see the point.
While not technically a right an employer does have to provide it in most circumstances. It's crazy to me that an employer can't separate their fanatical religious beliefs from business, where are the anti obamacare people who were talking about decisions based on someones medical care being taken away from the doctor and the patient now?
Healthcare really isn't a benefit, employers of a certain size have to offer it to employees, it also does effect the persons pay so it's not charity or done out of the goodness of the employers heart. The employer buys coverage through an insurance company and they are the ones who actually pay the bills directly, it's not like HL is getting billed directly for these pills.
The workers also have a right to buy health care from someone else if they don't agree or like their company's health plans. A drug that may end the life of a living being is not something that is a basic human right and someone else must pay for. if you want it by all means get it I've no issue with it but it's not you're basic human right someone else has to pay for it.
this is such a dumb f***ing pointless issue it's not funny. I can't be leave how dumb the human race has become.
Not really. Many people are stuck with who their employer is contracted with, and are not allowed to opt out, myself being one of them. In the past 20 years, all my employers have been the same way.
And employees pay a premium for those benefits....stop making it sound like they get it for free.
With the low wages people are paid at places like Hobby Lobby you aren't going to be able to buy private health insurance unless you decide you'd like to live in a cardboard box. I would also strongly disagree with calling goo inside of a woman's body a living being. Again the health insurance company is the one paying directly for the medication not the employer.
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Exactly!! When I first started working back in the 90's I was a full time employee in a hospital and the first year my medical insurance was "free" but every year after that they decided we had to have money deducted from our paychecks to go towards our health coverage. It started out with a $25 deduction every two weeks and within a couple of years was up to $100 every two weeks and that was for the HMO, the PPO was much more expensive. I stopped working there in 2004 but I'm sure the employees are paying much more now.
The last job I had was with a nuclear pharmacy and the PPO was $125 every two weeks and we had very high deductibles for hospital care as well as high co-pays for office visits and it was $150 to go to the ER. We weren't given the option to opt out either so if we were to have tried to decline the coverage we wouldn't have gotten paid more, we would have just had to try to buy insurance on our own and that's just unrealistic for what we were paid.
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Topdawg saying what he said tells me that he really doesn't understand the insurance/employee/employer relationship.