Yup, smart post, I agree. This is a thread for discussing sales numbers. I know the other subjects are somehow related, but let's stick to discussing sales.
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Yup, smart post, I agree. This is a thread for discussing sales numbers. I know the other subjects are somehow related, but let's stick to discussing sales.
True. But what does it all matter to you and I?
I know it's for discussion. But Sony selling nearly 2:1 doesn't make me enjoy the system more. Maybe because I have them all.
Honestly it doesn't matter to me anymore. Both consoles are doing well. I'm just curious if certain people on here are capable of being honest with these numbers, otherwise it isn't even worthwhile to have a conversation.
Doesn't matter....MS is behind in their biggest market. The other markets are so small, that even if they did release there, it wouldn't be enough to push ahead of PS4.
with that said, kudos to both for selling so well, that's all that matters.
For the month of March, Xbox One sold more than 311,000 units in North America alone, according to the NPD. Meanwhile, the software side of the equation is positive as well with “Titanfall” taking the top spot, though it comes with the caveat that this was for the Xbox One and PC. The PS4 exclusive, “infamous: Second Son” sits at number two.
Meanwhile, the Xbox One software attach rate is 2.9 games per console. That’s a solid but not spectacular number for the console at this point in the life cycle and is approximately the same as the PS4 which has sold 20.5 million games at this point compared to the 7 million consoles sold.
Taken on their own, the Xbox One console sales figures and game attach rate are actually very good. However, the PS4 is selling phenomenally right now, of course doing so in nearly three times the number of countries that the Xbox One is currently available in. The PS4 isn't quite at the gonzo level of sales that the Wii reached post-launch, but it is exceeding the initial sales projections by Sony.
Meanwhile, the Xbox One software attach rate is 2.9 games per console. That’s a solid but not spectacular number for the console at this point in the life cycle and is approximately the same as the PS4 which has sold 20.5 million games at this point compared to the 7 million consoles sold.
Taken on their own, the Xbox One console sales figures and game attach rate are actually very good. However, the PS4 is selling phenomenally right now, of course doing so in nearly three times the number of countries that the Xbox One is currently available in. The PS4 isn't quite at the gonzo level of sales that the Wii reached post-launch, but it is exceeding the initial sales projections by Sony.
Actually not really. It's not the same and I find it hilarious that people are trying to act like it is.
If Sony sold through 7 million, it means they shipped more than that to stores.
Also, retailers typically don't have to pay for stock for 45-60 days. And there's a thing called stock re-balancing, where if the consoles don't sell at the rate the retailers need them to and they end up bunching up on the shelves, Microsoft will buy them back or give retailers $$$$ to drop the prices on the consoles.
Sony is home-free with those 7 million.
See above.
I really don't care who 'wins' this generation, I own both consoles, but I find this nonsense about shipped to being equivalent to sold through completely ridiculous. Are people really this delusional that they are going to let the console they 'root' for muddy their view of reality?
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LOL at all of this "maybe the X1 can turn it around" nonsense. The system is five months old. The X360 had a year long start on the PS3, then the PS3 launched at $600 to abysmal sales. It was constantly trying to catch up for 7 years, and really didn't come close to neck and neck with the 360 in sales until last year. Oh, and lets not forget that the X1 has still outpaced sales of the 360 in the same time frame.
Its a marathon, not a sprint. Sales to this point are irrelevant. The more expensive console always sells less at first. It takes one game, one damn game to turn things around. Titanfall for instance, was responsible for many X1's being sold. In 2-3 years time, things will look completely different. The library of games for both systems will be fleshed out, an official price drop or two will have happened, and they will be neck and neck like they were at the end of last gen. Gotta love the hyperbole of the interweb. A collective consciousness of know nothings.
Its a marathon, not a sprint. Sales to this point are irrelevant. The more expensive console always sells less at first. It takes one game, one damn game to turn things around. Titanfall for instance, was responsible for many X1's being sold. In 2-3 years time, things will look completely different. The library of games for both systems will be fleshed out, an official price drop or two will have happened, and they will be neck and neck like they were at the end of last gen. Gotta love the hyperbole of the interweb. A collective consciousness of know nothings.
The ratio of the quantity of goods sold by a retail outlet to the quantity distributed to it wholesale is the sell through or "sold through" ratio to units shipped. Since Sony doesn't announce units shipped, it's pretty obvious they count everything shipped as sold through. Of course, everyone can believe what they want to believe.
We don't have to "muddy our view of reality" we have corporations and their sycophants to do that for us. Of course, anything we read on the internet just has be true, doesn't it?
Or maybe they choose not to release info about units shipped because it's only a couple hundred thousand extra and less relevant of a number than actual consoles sold though?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell-through. Read the first sentence, it's a fairly simple and clear definition. Either Sony is giving us the approximate number of sell-throughs or we've now gotten to the point where you are claiming Sony, a multi-billion dollar publicly traded company, is now completely lying about their own sales numbers?
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"Lying" is such an uncompromising term. Exaggerating or making an educated guess would be much more polite, and considering their junk debt status, quite understandable for a corporation trying to claw it's way back to solvency. All's fair in love and war and the works Sun Tzu translate well to our modern business world.
Yes. You must be new here.
Unfortunately not, but after 10 years of being on UnionVGF and TXB, the hoops that some people will jump through to convince themselves that the opposite of reality is true, doesn't cease to amaze me.
They automatically convert MS' shipped to into sold through. Then they convert Sony's sold through into shipped to. Then they claim Sony must be exaggerating by a couple hundred thousand units.
It's unbelievable. It goes against all common sense. If the opposite was being done and SDF was doing the same thing to MS' numbers, I'd be in just as much awe at the complete stupidity in this thread.
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I know this is 80% less gifs, so I
A) Think this comment is so ridiculous it REQUIRES a gif reply, and
B) Hope this fall in the 20% zone.
Also, ITT: Delusional people think that releasing in more countries magically creates product to be sold and that it will be sold.
It's the rebirth of last gen Sonybot logic when the term was used for PS3. The retailers buy the systems from MS, therefor shipped = sold. I don't like the spin, but PR is what it is. At least MS hasn't gone into NPD hiding yet like Sony did for nearly two years.
I know this is 80% less gifs, so I
A) Think this comment is so ridiculous it REQUIRES a gif reply, and
B) Hope this fall in the 20% zone.
Also, ITT: Delusional people think that releasing in more countries magically creates product to be sold and that it will be sold.
You should know that Zombie is being extremely sarcastic here.
I know. It's very clear that MS has announced sold-to-retailers numbers, and Sony has announced sold-to-customer numbers. The distinction between these two things (sold-in vs. sold-through) has been around as long as I've been a gaming forum inhabitant. I'm not sure why some people find it hard to be clear about it. It's not that complicated.
And it's not that big a deal to admit that MS may be in the 4.0 to 4.5 sold-through range, rather than the 5.0 number. It's not like that is some huge admission of defeat or something.
Oh well, I think the more you push, the more they get entrenched in their views, so I just tend to let it go.
Exactly. I don't remember Mr. T blasting Sony or their fans for similar tactics last gen. Didn't they start adding PS3 and Vita numbers together?
I believe I did actually. I also recall reading and commenting in threads about the Xbox 360 having better versions of the third party games, and being thankful that I decided to buy all my multiplatform games last gen on the Xbox 360 rather than the PS3.
If Sony did do that with the PS3 and Vita numbers, then the people that were defending that practice and trying to equate that combined number to the number of 360s sold were just as idiotic, if not more so, than the people here who are trying to equate sold through to shipped to.
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Don't bother. They're desperately trying to recapture their child-like faith in Sony they lost, last generation. While Sony is doing well, lest just let them enjoy that remarkable illusion.
if sony is still supply constrained their shipped numbers might not be that much higher than 7million
theyre not in MS's situation where they could have anywhere from a 500k to a million just sitting on shelves.
theyre not in MS's situation where they could have anywhere from a 500k to a million just sitting on shelves.
I stand corrected then. Apologies.
Ok let me rephrase. I don't remember others making a big deal out of Sony's sly PR last gen as much as they are Microsoft sly PR.
Some People don't seem to understand how retail works.
Microsoft produces consoles, ships them to warehouse.
Retailers place orders to stock Xbox One consoles, retailer compensates MS for ordered stock
MS Ships stock to retailers
Retailer sells product. The retailer is now getting paid back for the stock they paid for. (if those units just sat on the shelf and never sold, the retailer writes them off)
From MS's perspective, they are compensated for 5 million units because 5 million units have been shipped to retail outlets. (MS would write off any unsold stock from warehouse if MS never sold those units)
From a retail perspective, they have ordered 5 million units because there is a demand sufficient for units and they believe that they will sell through those 5 million units.
This isn't the Wii-U where stock is languishing on shelves.
So it is correct to say there are not currently 5 million in customers hands, but MS has sold 5 Million (from a strictly business standpoint). Them claiming as much isn't dishonest.
Microsoft produces consoles, ships them to warehouse.
Retailers place orders to stock Xbox One consoles, retailer compensates MS for ordered stock
MS Ships stock to retailers
Retailer sells product. The retailer is now getting paid back for the stock they paid for. (if those units just sat on the shelf and never sold, the retailer writes them off)
From MS's perspective, they are compensated for 5 million units because 5 million units have been shipped to retail outlets. (MS would write off any unsold stock from warehouse if MS never sold those units)
From a retail perspective, they have ordered 5 million units because there is a demand sufficient for units and they believe that they will sell through those 5 million units.
This isn't the Wii-U where stock is languishing on shelves.
So it is correct to say there are not currently 5 million in customers hands, but MS has sold 5 Million (from a strictly business standpoint). Them claiming as much isn't dishonest.
To anyone it applies to. It's funny how eager we are to escape childhood, only to spend the rest of our lives trying to recapture it.
Not exactly. Microsoft and the retailers have more of a partnership. Both need a good relationship with each other.
Microsoft pushes retailers to buy consoles. Retailers do. If those consoles don't sell at the rate the stores need them to or if they languish on the shelves, Microsoft will buy some back and try to move the consoles elsewhere or will offer the stores $50 in rebates per consoles sold so that the retailers can drop the prices on the consoles without taking a loss.
It's a synergistic partnership. They both need each other. Microsoft can't leave stores hanging, because the next time around, the stores won't buy as much product and will give their competitor better shelf space.
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