That's not strictly right. One of the features of cloud match making is that your server is always local to you.
Dedicated Servers Or Not?
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That's not strictly right. One of the features of cloud match making is that your server is always local to you.
The possible positive if KI has dedicated servers is...it will be the only fighter ever released to use em. That's extra sweet purchase incentive for me 
Imagine large 10-20 player lobby's that are lag free :B
Imagine large 10-20 player lobby's that are lag free :B
What ?
MS doesn't have a server in every town in the world.
You just described exactly what I said. The only way to always be playing locally is to have some non dedicated servers in the mix.
Match making is always calculated on a centralized server .. That's how it was done last gen too.
Some of you are very confused or ignorant and aren't honest about it.
This has been misconstrued a lot. MS didn't say every X1 game would have dedicated servers, WIRED did and everyone has been running with it. What MS said was that dedicated servers would be available for every X1 game.
If that 'extremely affordable' price is more than $0 then I'd bet most will not bother with it.
If they made a LEGIT online Arena with ranking that used only dedicated servers... oh man oh man!
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the cloud will work. You're still thinking in terms of hard location with physical distance to the data center. Here is an example of how it will work :
You connect to multi player. You are put into a hosted service that's as local to you as possible. Your friend on the other side of the world connects to multi player. They are put into a hosted service that's as local to them. You join each others game. Your service stays local and your friends service is local. The cloud infrastructures takes over the match making and let's both of your connections stay local..
Now, that is a basic example, I'll grant you. But that's how it works.
Long term, no... Short term, yes.
Like I said, time and expertise are not free, and it may not make sense to delay releasing a game until the time and expertise to implement dedicated servers/custom services is somehow achieved.
This is so wrong it hurts.
And no I don't misunderstand this technology. I build complex computing systems for a living.
Like I said, it's 100% free to developers. It's like an extension of the box itself... You can just use it without fee, or charge.
That said, there is a knowledge-base and expertise level that comes with taking advantage of it... You need to consider scalability and resilience testing, etc...
Like I said, there will be justification for not using it for all titles out the gate, but as time goes on and expertise improves - we should expect to see many games use cloud compute for all kinds of things... Not just dedicated server-like functionality, but things like drivatars, AI, persistent worlds (even in SP games), etc...
they seem to go out of their way to specify "computing power". I wonder if this is a distinction between offloading computing task, smart matching, and general storage.
edit: After reading again. That is true, Cloud Compute is a different service.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/albertpenello/status/390168827905835008?p=v
pontifus said "Can you confirm if the free Xbox compute resources includes dedicated servers for all Xbox One games?"
to which ALBOAT replied yes
pontifus said "Can you confirm if the free Xbox compute resources includes dedicated servers for all Xbox One games?"
to which ALBOAT replied yes
I know, so that's what's confusing about the dedicated servers...i thought they were cheaper then usual but not free
How is it harder to implement dedicated servers than it is for the p2p garbage we've been using all this time? I find that hard to believe.
It's just new. Devs have had a lot of experience with the other approach and now they have to change that all.
I have faith that MS's servers will run better than EA's at least. MS just spent $700 million to make a new data center in Des Moines, Iowa for the center of their backbone for delivering digital content for the middle U.S. That infrastructure has a lot to do with Xbox Live in the future. I'm sure there will be hiccups along the way, but they will be ironed out quickly.
It is harder because you need to co-lo a server somewhere. That takes money. User hosted matches didn't need a server co-lo at a data center. The Microsoft cloud is easier because you don't need a server co-lo somewhere, you just instance a server in the cloud. The Azure SDK makes it happen all automagically.
No. A user hosted server works exactly the same as a server instance in a data center somewhere. The problem always was the need to tunnel through NAT's, or alternatively the need to host a server somewhere. With the Azure cloud, you eliminate the need for user hosts, and a dedicated server. When a group of people join a game, Azure simply instances a server. When they all leave, the server eventually times out, and goes away.
The cost of the servers for a multi-player FPS will probably be rolled into your XBL monthly fee. However, if the developers game needs a large persistent world, the developer will probably be obligated to pay for compute time, database access, and bandwidth. All of which is still significantly less expensive than say... building out a server farm and building all the compute infrastructure in house.
XBL compute resources, you know the one that makes the processing power of the X1 10 time greater than the X1 its self, that is free. Totally confirmed right now. We also know that non-persistent dedicated servers are also free. Well they are not free, but rolled into the cost of XBL. The only servers that Microsoft has indicated have cost are the large persistent world type servers, for example Destinys MMO world.