Project Scorpio v4.0

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Of course checkerboard is great Sony did it. It will be laughably pathetic if MS did it...
 
Of course checkerboard is great Sony did it. It will be laughably pathetic if MS did it...

CB is great when used properly and is basically the best use of the PS4 Pro's abilities since native 4K is out of reach for the vast majority of newer titles, it would also be a great way to get even more bang for the buck out of the Scorpio's additional power. I could easily see this being implemented in open world games on scorpio and for good reason, hopefully that would mean pushing LOD out further as well as draw distances. Native 4K looks a little better than really good CB but the difference isn't big enough that it makes it worth going native if by going the CB route you can improve effects, shadows etc even more. That's what would make Scorpio games stand out over Pro games IMO, doing mostly the same stuff at a higher native res will look a little better but if you can keep the res about the same but add all kinds of other things that make everything on screen really stand out I think that'd be the best way to go.
 
So will scorpio take Xbox one's place when the next xbox comes out? It'll be a cheaper, dubbed down version of all those games, cutting off xbox one at that point?

I mean at some point they'll be forced to use all the Scorpio's tricks just to have "low settings" versions of next gen. Sorry to get off topic.
 
Thinking about their plans with the 360 games being enhanced, you have one of the best generations of games being "Remastered" to 4K 60fps with better anti-aliasing and better texture rendering without having to rebuy them.

Where did you read this? I haven't been able to find that being said anywhere, all I can find is them talking about games having more stable framerates. I've read that BC games that are supposed to be 30 fps won't run any higher than that because that's what they were designed to be but they shouldn't drop frames anymore either and that the highest res a game will be is the top res it was made to be but nothing about things being enhanced to 4K. I know the console has the power to do that but a dev would have to go back and do the work.
 
So will scorpio take Xbox one's place when the next xbox comes out? It'll be a cheaper, dubbed down version of all those games, cutting off xbox one at that point?

I mean at some point they'll be forced to use all the Scorpio's tricks just to have "low settings" versions of next gen. Sorry to get off topic.

I would guess at some point the current base consoles will have to be left behind if they want to make true next gen leaps when the time comes.
 
They will though...(although it will likely use another name)
Is telling the truth trolling
You seem to struggle understanding the basic aspects of both truth and trolling, which explains a lot.

Truth is verifiable facts, evidence, actuality. Something may be likely, reasonable, or an educated guess, but it isn't truth until it becomes actually verifiable action or experience.

Trolling is just continual efforts to get a rise out of someone, or generally be a prick because you can.

These two things are independent of each other and not directly correlated.

Right, carry on...
 
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Some semi work arounds



Honestly the work around is a pain in the ass and it still disconnects. I also need to be wireless in some circumstances. Disconnects are only temporary and you are auto re-connected...but even a second of being disconnected in a Bloodbourne boss battle means the end. Same with FPSs. Essentially the types of games (high skill level) where it shines most. Plus you lose the customization in the main menu.

When/if an adequate adapter comes out, I'm all over it. I wish Sony would flat out copy it.
 
So, you have no examples of a PS4 title hitting 50% better real-world performance in a game?

Got it.

Thanks for proving me right. Again.

...and my, you are salty!

GPU performance (higher frame rate and/or pixel count).

Examples:

A game which runs at 900p (X1) vs 1080p (PS4) with the same frame rate is getting about 30% more performance from the GPU.

A game which runs at 40FPS vs. 30 FPS in the same scenario is getting about 30% better perf from the GPU, if the perf gap is due to being GPU bound.

For context, kb said that my claim that CPU and GPU performance is on X1 is proportionately better than PS4's was unsubstantiated, but it's demonstrably not:

Raw CPU power is 10% better on X1.
The only game we know of which is CPU bound runs on average 15% better on X1 under CPU bound conditions.
Therefore, X1's CPU real-world performance (+15%) is BETTER than the raw hardware gap (+10%). This means the software runs better/more efficiently on X1.

This tells us that X1 gets better than 10% CPU performance in the only case we know that's measurably CPU bound in a shipped title.

Raw GPU power is 50% better on PS4.
Across the gamut of comparables, however, the general performance gap is only around 30%-35%.
Therefore, X1's GPU real-world performance (-30%) is BETTER than the raw hardware gap (-50%). This means the software runs better/more efficiently on X1 with regards to the GPU.

In the VAST majority of DF comparisons I've seen, PS4 regularly gets about 30%-35% better performance than Xbox 1. This tells me that, even though the PS4 has a superior GPU by 50% (it has roughly 50% better TF performance), PS4 games aren't seeing that full performance advantage over Xbox One. This tells me that Xbox One games get better performance per clock than PS4 titles, which would make sense, given the heavy investment in DX12.

Therefore, kb was wrong/incorrect. My statement was very well substantiated, if not demonstrably provable.

900p vs 1080p is bigger than 30% its over 40%
We know many examples of over 40% difference has been shown between PS4 and XBO going by the above.

Some cases of 50% and some of OVER 50% http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates

If those differences are big...then expect similar big differences between Pro and Scorp.
I think they are significant and worth mentioning but not big.

Conclusive evidence the PS4 is more efficient then the XB1!, and more then one data point too!. I have no doubt that Scorpio will be a beast but you really need to stop with your unsubstantiated rubbish Flynn.
 
Conclusive evidence the PS4 is more efficient then the XB1!, and more then one data point too!. I have no doubt that Scorpio will be a beast but you really need to stop with your unsubstantiated rubbish Flynn.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding...but wtf does this have to do with Scorpio. There's nothing you can extrapolate from PS4 vs Xbox One to Pro vs Scorpio performance.
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding...but wtf does this have to do with Scorpio. There's nothing you can extrapolate from PS4 vs Xbox One to Pro vs Scorpio performance.

It has to do with Flynn's magical 'microsoft are customising every part of teh machine!' rubbish that he never stops spreading, it directly relates to performance of Scorpio which we know nearly nothing about..
 
It has to do with Flynn's magical 'microsoft are customising every part of teh machine!' rubbish that he never stops spreading, it directly relates to performance of Scorpio which we know nearly nothing about..

Every console is customized. To which extent differs. We don't know to what extent right now. 360 was very customized.
 
Honestly the work around is a pain in the ass and it still disconnects. I also need to be wireless in some circumstances. Disconnects are only temporary and you are auto re-connected...but even a second of being disconnected in a Bloodbourne boss battle means the end. Same with FPSs. Essentially the types of games (high skill level) where it shines most. Plus you lose the customization in the main menu.

When/if an adequate adapter comes out, I'm all over it. I wish Sony would flat out copy it.
don't wanna go off topic anymore with this so ima PM you a couple links..
Hope this helps.
 
It has to do with Flynn's magical 'microsoft are customising every part of teh machine!' rubbish that he never stops spreading, it directly relates to performance of Scorpio which we know nearly nothing about..
Da fuq?!

Flynn works for Microsoft. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing he knows more than you. Again..... Da fuq?!?
 
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Da fuq?!

Flynn works for Microsoft. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing he knows more than you. Again..... Da fuq?!?

He works for Microsoft in a non technical role and tries to speak like he knows everything about the console and its competitors, he's talking out his arse.

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So this has clearly gone on long enough, i fully expect Scorpio to be powerful in every regards but what I dont like is when people come in to threads and start throwing around wild theories without any real ounce of evidence behind them, so I'm going to leave it at that and I'm like 99% sure the admins would like it if the other people involved also did.
 
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Da fuq?!

Flynn works for Microsoft. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing he knows more than you. Again..... Da fuq?!?

He has also overpromised on things in the past so take that for what you will. Both companies customize their products they aren't off the shelf parts, the CPU/GPU in the PS4 Pro are heavily customized as well. I think it's best that people keep their expectations in check, be excited about getting new hardware but also don't set yourself up for disappointment in case the PR spin that is fed to the media is a bit overblown as tends to be the case 99% of the time no matter who's doing it.
 
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Look, guys, this isn't worth it. I'll do you all a favor, and get back to life outside of these found for a while.
 
He works for Microsoft in a non technical role and tries to speak like he knows everything about the console and its competitors, he's talking out his arse.

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So this has clearly gone on long enough, i fully expect Scorpio to be powerful in every regards but what I dont like is when people come in to threads and start throwing around wild theories without any real ounce of evidence behind them, so I'm going to leave it at that and I'm like 99% sure the admins would like it if the other people involved also did.
Not for nothing but, he could take an educated guess simply because he works for MS and have more credibility than you bruh... No offense. Frankly speaking the arm chair devs I know are looking pretty ignorant since the Scorpio unveiling. I stated before that we should wait until the hardware was revealed before trying to determine what and what was not possible. Looks like I was right. Still.... doesn't stop the madness though. Can't tell folks s***....
 
really guys at the beginning we get pumped to find out on the specs and now we have people trying to trash this thread just because they don't want to believe even though DF was there?

I am just lost for words how most of you guys are just giving so much crap.

You guys can do the talking after the system come out or at least wait till E3.

Also, this MS hate is so out of control.
 
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Not for nothing but, he could take an educated guess simply because he works for MS and have more credibility than you bruh... No offense. Frankly speaking the arm chair devs I know are looking pretty ignorant since the Scorpio unveiling. I stated before that we should wait until the hardware was revealed before trying to determine what and what was not possible. Looks like I was right. Still.... doesn't stop the madness though. Can't tell folks s***....

So this is the last ill say on this, just because he works at Microsoft doesn't really mean he knows anything. Blindly saying 'he works at Microsoft' to give him credibility when he is consistently wrong is kinda I dunno, silly?. But you do what you wanna do.
 
another 4 pages of trolling to read this morning......where are the mod's!

It's all over the gaming web right now. Can't go anywhere without people delivering the public service message and educating the masses about the evil marketing from MS and how Richard from DF was captured and brainwashed. Speculation is that MS is holding his family until after his propaganda pieces.

Do gamers get an end of year profit sharing bonus I'm missing out on? I'm just excited for new toys. Can't figure out what's in it for others.
 
another 4 pages of trolling to read this morning......where are the mod's!
I see it coming.

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Sing it with me...

"Scorpio be rollin, rollin, rollin
Val be trollin, trollin, trollin..."
Would it not be better to just ignore the guy? I mean really, you're hardly talking about the hardware anymore, you're just acusing each other.

I can assure you that he is wrong regarding 4K, the Scorpio is designed to run Xbox One games at a 4K resolution. But the stinger in all of this is that we are talking about Xbox One games. We're not talking about a new generation (although I believe MS should market it like that and rebrand the original Xbox One to a media box that is compatible with the Xbox one and sold under the Surface name.), and that is the reason why 6 teraflops will be enough. It's more the memory bandwidth that you need to worry about and fill rate, both things MS seems to have covered. As the PS 4 Pro can do it, or just about fall short of it. Remember that with the PS4 Pro we are talking about checker-boarding an 1800P resolution, it is pretty damn close to 4k. So the Scorpio should be able to just make it. But mind you, don't expect anything magical or every game using PC Ultra assets.

If they do use the ultra assets there is a big change the game will have to use checker-boarding or even just lower resolutions. Third parties simply can't put in the polish MS can do as a first party developer. So personally I think almost every game will be 4K, but with the same textures you saw on an Xbox One or PS4S.It is the path of least resistance, and easiest too pull off for most parties involved. But keep in mind a 1080p Game with ultra assets at 60fps, will still look better than a 4K game at medium at 30fps. So personally? I rather have third party devs choose for the Ultra assets at 1080P then 4k at "meh" with a "meh" frame-rate. But marketing wise that doesn't sell as easy as a big sticker with "4K!" on the packaging of course ;).

But really don't let him get to you so much, he's just trying to get your goat and derail the thread.
 
Anybody ever see some serious news after arguing video games...like the ish going on in Syria...and feel like a complete dumbass?

1st world f'n problems...
 
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