The Last of Us Part 2 - New Trailer Contains Spoilers

I liked the story in the first one, but i don't like the the whole zombie and limited ammo Resident evil style games so I never really finished it.

My best friend (total casual gamer) totally loved the first one. He never finishes games, but he finished the first, and bought the special edition of tlou2. TLOU is his favorite game. He didn't even make it to the dramatic controversial event at hour two tonight in tlou2. He is now watching net flick because the game isn't what he thought. It's not the lgbt elements, but the fact that he thought he would continue as the story arc of the character from the first game from the trailers.
There's videoes on youtube that shows how Naught Dog "deceived" people about the game. ( I must say I don't agree 100% with the characterization. I mean I think Naughty Dog was more trying to subvert expectations, Game of Thrones styles but it just isn't as effective in their marketing.)

I think it's a weird storm of ND's marketing trying to set up subverted expectations clashing with the fan's desires causing the issues. Ned Stark was an iconic moment because it was so rare at the time. Now it is cliche. Copiers of theGOT formula don't respect how much the GOT author spent building up Ned and his character. Pretenders to the GOT throne think if they add it will be epic. It is not!

If you read the reviews and see the word Cuckman, just keep scrolling. If you see things talking about the story and the last Jedi, I think they are good barometers for if you will like the game or not. The last Jedi/ GOT Finale is all about taste. If you liked those stories, enjoy the game. If you didn't like the writing of those, be aware.
 
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Parzival said:
I liked the story in the first one, but i don't like the the whole zombie and limited ammo Resident evil style games so I never really finished it.

My best friend (total casual gamer) totally loved the first one. He never finishes games, but he finished the first, and bought the special edition of tlou2. TLOU is his favorite game. He didn't even make it to the dramatic controversial event at hour two tonight in tlou2. He is now watching net flick because the game isn't what he thought. It's not the lgbt elements, but the fact that he thought he would continue as the story arc of the character from the first game from the trailers.
There's videoes on youtube that shows how Naught Dog "deceived" people about the game. ( I must say I don't agree 100% with the characterization. I mean I think Naughty Dog was more trying to subvert expectations, Game of Thrones styles but it just isn't as effective in their marketing.)

I think it's a weird storm of ND's marketing trying to set up subverted expectations clashing with the fan's desires causing the issues. Ned Stark was an iconic moment because it was so rare at the time. Now it is cliche. Copiers of theGOT formula don't respect how much the GOT author spent building up Ned and his character. Pretenders to the GOT throne think if they add it will be epic. It is not!

If you read the reviews and see the word Cuckman, just keep scrolling. If you see things talking about the story and the last Jedi, I think they are good barometers for if you will like the game or not. The last Jedi/ GOT Finale is all about taste. If you liked those stories, enjoy the game. If you didn't like the writing of those, be aware.
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so, is the marketing (not the leaks) misleading similar like that of halo 2 and halo 5?
 
I'm still holding out for now. I think TLOU 2 and Spiderman: Mile Morales will make great launch titles for my PS5.
 
I went halfsies with my nephew. I’m letting him beat the game first.

I let you guys know if I’m offended or if people are being little bitches.
 
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It's being review bombed by people who mainly haven't played it, the second they started allowing user reviews that s*** started happening. There are absolutely going to people who play it and genuinely don't like it but stuff this early on is mostly people who don't like what they've read about spoilers and also the typical army of xbots that trash every PS4 exclusive.
 
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JinCA said:
It's being review bombed by people who mainly haven't played it, the second they started allowing user reviews that s*** started happening. There are absolutely going to people who play it and genuinely don't like it but stuff this early on is mostly people who don't like what they've read about spoilers and also the typical army of xbots that trash every PS4 exclusive.
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Those freaking xbots. Remember when Uncharted 4, Last of Us Remaster, Spiderman, God of War, Horizon, and Detroit Become Human got review bombed and ended up with terrible metacritic user scores? Oh wait...
 
Since I'm not going to play this anytime soon I checked some YouTube spoiler videos.... this game is like a bad woke fan fiction cliche x100, just horrible. I don't feel entitled to anything but going from prob my favorite story driven game ever made (perhaps tied with rdr2) to this is an abomination.
 
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No spoilers:

This first clip is right near the end of a cutscene. If the video doesn't pop up, click on the Twitch logo.


then scissors a few minutes later

 
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Parzival said:
I liked the story in the first one, but i don't like the the whole zombie and limited ammo Resident evil style games so I never really finished it.

My best friend (total casual gamer) totally loved the first one. He never finishes games, but he finished the first, and bought the special edition of tlou2. TLOU is his favorite game. He didn't even make it to the dramatic controversial event at hour two tonight in tlou2. He is now watching net flick because the game isn't what he thought. It's not the lgbt elements, but the fact that he thought he would continue as the story arc of the character from the first game from the trailers.
There's videoes on youtube that shows how Naught Dog "deceived" people about the game. ( I must say I don't agree 100% with the characterization. I mean I think Naughty Dog was more trying to subvert expectations, Game of Thrones styles but it just isn't as effective in their marketing.)

I think it's a weird storm of ND's marketing trying to set up subverted expectations clashing with the fan's desires causing the issues. Ned Stark was an iconic moment because it was so rare at the time. Now it is cliche. Copiers of theGOT formula don't respect how much the GOT author spent building up Ned and his character. Pretenders to the GOT throne think if they add it will be epic. It is not!

If you read the reviews and see the word Cuckman, just keep scrolling. If you see things talking about the story and the last Jedi, I think they are good barometers for if you will like the game or not. The last Jedi/ GOT Finale is all about taste. If you liked those stories, enjoy the game. If you didn't like the writing of those, be aware.
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My concern with LoU2 was always that subverting expectations angle. Usually the reason expectations are subverted is because the turns aren't properly earned. They don't stay consistent with characters, rules or tone of the world. That rarely works. The reason George RR Martin could pull it off was elite level storytelling. He intentionally misled people to thinking they were reading one type of fantasy story and then swerved to something very different. It happened over a very large book. It didn't betray characters or the world. When you have mediocre story-tellers attempt it, you get GoT Season 8. I have no issues or concerns about LGBTA stuff. I want developers to be able to include diverse characters and not pay the price in terms of sales. My concern isn't of being offended. I'm more worried that I'll be rolling my eyes. Either way will experience it for myself in a week when I get back to my Playstation. I'm a big fan of stealth gameplay and what's lost in all of this is that LoU2 is one of the very few AAA stealth games this entire generation.
 
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There's a video on youtube showing how the trailers showed one character in scenes, but in the game that character isn't there. I don't want to link because it has spoilers. I believe the marketing was intended to set up the twist in the game, but others feel like its not the game they were promised. My friend doesn't follow boards and stuff and was totally uninterested in the game. It's not the type of story he was expecting.

From what I've seen, it is very Disney Star Wars style in its story telling. Where characters do things because the plot needs it or to create this forced epic moment even if it doesn't make sense for the character to do that. So they become eye rolling moments.

In terms of the game it is very much like GOT books where you vested in a story line and poof it's gone, here's a new one.

On one level, you have to give credit to ND for not going with a conventional story. Though I'm not sure this game was the place for the message. It's like the Star Wars scene at the casino complaining war profiteers in a movie franchise literally based on the selling of war toys and stories for decades falls flat, the same for the message here.
 
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Parzival said:
There's a video on youtube showing how the trailers showed one character in scenes, but in the game that character isn't there. I don't want to link because it has spoilers. I believe the marketing was intended to set up the twist in the game, but others feel like its not the game they were promised. My friend doesn't follow boards and stuff and was totally uninterested in the game. It's not the type of story he was expecting.

From what I've seen, it is very Disney Star Wars style in its story telling. Where characters do things because the plot needs it or to create this forced epic moment even if it doesn't make sense for the character to do that. So they become eye rolling moments.

In terms of the game it is very much like GOT books where you vested in a story line and poof it's gone, here's a new one.
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I’m just glad we made it through the full Thanos storyline in Marvel movies without having to deal with that trash. It seems like a minor miracle in retrospect.

Can you imagine if Ruin Johnson got a hold of one of the Infinity War movies???
 
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JinCA said:
It's being review bombed by people who mainly haven't played it, the second they started allowing user reviews that s*** started happening. There are absolutely going to people who play it and genuinely don't like it but stuff this early on is mostly people who don't like what they've read about spoilers and also the typical army of xbots that trash every PS4 exclusive.
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Can’t agree. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans who are hating on it, and they almost all have the same complaint: the story and what they did to the characters.

It’s now up to 33k reviews, and still only a 3.5. That’s not just ‘xbots.’ And this:



The graphics, sound, and everything else are top notch, so any dev could learn something from ND’s production value. Hard to believe they pulled this off!

But as far as the story goes, most of the public have spoken, so hopefully other devs will listen. The GoT comparison (season 8 vs the rest of it) is accurate as far as I’m concerned.
 
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Can’t agree. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans who are hating on it, and they almost all have the same complaint: the story and what they did to the characters.

It’s now up to 33k reviews, and still only a 3.5. That’s not just ‘xbots.’ And this:



The graphics, sound, and everything else are top notch, so any dev could learn something from ND’s production value. Hard to believe they pulled this off!

But as far as the story goes, most of the public have spoken, so hopefully other devs will listen. The GoT comparison (season 8 vs the rest of it) is accurate as far as I’m concerned.
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Just to let you know I will have the receipt for this when Halo Infinite releases in that thread.
 
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Can’t agree. There are quite a few hardcore Sony fans who are hating on it, and they almost all have the same complaint: the story and what they did to the characters.

It’s now up to 33k reviews, and still only a 3.5. That’s not just ‘xbots.’ And this:



The graphics, sound, and everything else are top notch, so any dev could learn something from ND’s production value. Hard to believe they pulled this off!

But as far as the story goes, most of the public have spoken, so hopefully other devs will listen. The GoT comparison (season 8 vs the rest of it) is accurate as far as I’m concerned.
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Of course you can't it's a PS4 game lol. There are Sony fans who were pissed about the leaks, that's why I said there are a lot of people who are upset about what they read beforehand and I blamed them first, Xbots trash every PS4 exclusive that comes out, that's why I rarely take user reviews on Metacritic seriously. When you get hundreds or thousands or reviews for a game that just came out how can they actually be true? How many people actually played the entire game in a short span of time? how many were ready for a review the second they were allowed?

I am a good way into it and so far I think the 10's are a bit of a reach but I'm likely not even at the half way point yet either so I can't really say one way or the other. When I played the first one for the first time I turned it off because I got bored, a good friend talked me into playing it again and that was right around the time the remaster came out on PS4. Once I got beyond the area where I had quit and allowed the relationships between the characters to build it became one of my favorite games of all time. So far I'm not getting that from this game but it's sure as hell isn't a 3 either lol. It's hard to say some things because of spoilers so it's hard to get into it at all really.
 
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I like how there is little if any clipping in instances like this, in most games you'd see the paw going all the way through the shoulder lol
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The enemy faces aren't the most detailed but I like how they actually added an expression of fear when you grab them from behind. Sadly his hand is clipping through her arm here.
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Just to let you know I will have the receipt for this when Halo Infinite releases in that thread.
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I'm a moderate Halo fan, but I'd happily bet you that the review scores will be below TLOU 2, and the user scores will be quite a bit higher than 3.5.



JinCA, TLOU, Uncharted 4, and GOW are easily in my top 7-8 games this gen, GOW being #2 and TLOU my #3, both behind Zelda. And Mario being 4th.

I have the same issues with this game that most people do. It's like a whole different writing team took over, and only knew a bit about the first one. As I said before, the details and presentation are top-notch, and the environments, suspense, and atmosphere are fantastic.

I'm not quite done with it yet, and although I read all the leaks, this still this has left a sour taste in my mouth. If there hadn't been a part one, I wouldn't care as much. But when comparing it to the first one from a character/story perspective.....yeahhhhh.

I've read close to 100 user reviews already, and some are obviously made up. But there are A LOT of fans of ND and the first one who have written very extensive reviews, expressing anger and frustration over just the story. I can't disagree. It's still a good game with amazing production (now I wish I had a Pro!), but it's not what I was hoping it would be after waiting so long.
 
I got it in the post from amazon this morning. Played about three or hour hours so far and I’m absolutely loving it. My wife walked in at one point during a cutscene and asked what movie was I watching 😃
 
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I'm a moderate Halo fan, but I'd happily bet you that the review scores will be below TLOU 2, and the user scores will be quite a bit higher than 3.5.



JinCA, TLOU, Uncharted 4, and GOW are easily in my top 7-8 games this gen, GOW being #2 and TLOU my #3, both behind Zelda. And Mario being 4th.

I have the same issues with this game that most people do. It's like a whole different writing team took over, and only knew a bit about the first one. As I said before, the details and presentation are top-notch, and the environments, suspense, and atmosphere are fantastic.

I'm not quite done with it yet, and although I read all the leaks, this still this has left a sour taste in my mouth. If there hadn't been a part one, I wouldn't care as much. But when comparing it to the first one from a character/story perspective.....yeahhhhh.

I've read close to 100 user reviews already, and some are obviously made up. But there are A LOT of fans of ND and the first one who have written very extensive reviews, expressing anger and frustration over just the story. I can't disagree. It's still a good game with amazing production (now I wish I had a Pro!), but it's not what I was hoping it would be after waiting so long.
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I agree the story isn't at the level of the first one, not even close and I think that is probably because Druckman was in a hurry to rush Ellie in as the main character.. They could have easily committed to a trilogy and spent this game covering the time between the first game and how they ended up in Wyoming. I don't think Ellie as a character is interesting enough yet to anchor a game, I loved her in the first one but it was more because of the dynamic between her and Joel than just her on her own, I think they were in too big of a hurry to grow her up.

Joel was the reason so many loved the first game, his story of loss and then finding this new child to care for and eventually love like a father hit a lot of people even those who don't have kids. This is still written by the same people for the most part, at least Druckman anyway but I don't know if he understood what people loved so much about the first one or just decided he had to be an "artist" and not repeat himself? I don't know, I am enjoying this game but it's not grabbing me at all the way the first one did. I still have quite a way to go though so maybe my mind will change when I finish it but right now I'd say there is no way this is a 10, it feels more like an 8 to me but again I won't know for sure until I'm done.
 
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I'm a moderate Halo fan, but I'd happily bet you that the review scores will be below TLOU 2, and the user scores will be quite a bit higher than 3.5.



JinCA, TLOU, Uncharted 4, and GOW are easily in my top 7-8 games this gen, GOW being #2 and TLOU my #3, both behind Zelda. And Mario being 4th.

I have the same issues with this game that most people do. It's like a whole different writing team took over, and only knew a bit about the first one. As I said before, the details and presentation are top-notch, and the environments, suspense, and atmosphere are fantastic.

I'm not quite done with it yet, and although I read all the leaks, this still this has left a sour taste in my mouth. If there hadn't been a part one, I wouldn't care as much. But when comparing it to the first one from a character/story perspective.....yeahhhhh.

I've read close to 100 user reviews already, and some are obviously made up. But there are A LOT of fans of ND and the first one who have written very extensive reviews, expressing anger and frustration over just the story. I can't disagree. It's still a good game with amazing production (now I wish I had a Pro!), but it's not what I was hoping it would be after waiting so long.
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so they pulled a Rian Johnson/last-Jedi? Instead of expanding on whatever Amy Henning setup.
 
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so they pulled a Rian Johnson/last-Jedi? Instead of expanding on whatever Amy Henning setup.
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I didn’t like The Last Jedi, but that story is wayyyy better than what you get in this game IMO. Still you may enjoy, others obviously are and there’s no shame in that. It’s all personal preference.

Either way you feel about it though you’ve got the actual gameplay, graphics and sound to fall back on, all of which are phenomenal.
 
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so they pulled a Rian Johnson/last-Jedi? Instead of expanding on whatever Amy Henning setup.
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Amy Henning didn't work on The Last of Us. They were working on both Uncharted and The Last of Us at that point and she was on Uncharted. Neil Druckmann was the creative director and lead writer of the first one.
 
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Those freaking xbots. Remember when Uncharted 4, Last of Us Remaster, Spiderman, God of War, Horizon, and Detroit Become Human got review bombed and ended up with terrible metacritic user scores? Oh wait...
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They do review bomb the games they just aren't helped by a bunch of people who are pissed about leaks they read ahead of time.
 
They do pay attention to a lot of little details, I walked up to water dripping from the roof above and Ellie dipped her head in it instead of acting like it wasn't there. Also when you get a head shot it blows out the back of their head to a degree even on the human enemies.
 
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People aren't pissed about the leaks they are pissed because the leaks were true and they didnt like the game.
 
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They do pay attention to a lot of little details, I walked up to water dripping from the roof above and Ellie dipped her head in it instead of acting like it wasn't there. Also when you get a head shot it blows out the back of their head to a degree even on the human enemies.
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Story complaints aside, the attention to detail and the animation is top-notch. Even the horse’s tail moves more realistically than anything I’ve ever seen before.

It all just makes me more excited for next gen.
 
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