CES: Best HDTV at the show is...

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...between the Samsung SUHDTV and the LG OLED.

I just got back from CES, and had a blast. I've always been an incredibly anal picture quality enthusiast, and CES is an absolute joy for people like me. It was wonderful.

For those who want the absolute best quality display, LG's OLED's are the best. They are pricey, but they are the best.

Samsung's SUHDTV's were a really nice evolution of the LED LCD screens, but they have several problems:

1. The black levels still aren't perfect, unlike OLED. While they dim or even shut off lighting elements behind pixels which are black, the lighting resolution isn't a 1-to-1 with pixels, so there are still pixels which are supposed to be black, but are not.

2. The SUHD's are actually too bright. They wash out color detail via over saturation and brightness. That said, that could probably be adjusted, but even in Samsung's own comparison demo, a flower on the OLED showed better color contrast and detail... And Samsung TRIED to make OLED look bad.

3. When a screen is mostly black but with a bright logo or graphic, the dynamic contrast levels a halo around the bright elements. Being that the lights behind the LCD panel don't have a 1-to-1 ratio, the light bleeds over into the black, making this grayish halo effect.

All in all, OLED's from LG were just perfect. There was just nothing that could be better. The upscaling was also really good. Native 1080p stuff looked great on them. Noticeably better than 1080p display's.

My next TV is going to be an LG.

Sony get honorable mention for the thinnest TV's (but picture just wasn't as good as Sam or LG), but LG and Sam really had the two best... And LG's OLED took the best HDTV award home.
 
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Flynn said:
...between the Samsung SUHDTV and the LG OLED.

I just got back from CES, and had a blast. I've always been an incredibly anal picture quality enthusiast, and CES is an absolute joy for people like me. It was wonderful.

For those who want the absolute best quality display, LG's OLED's are the best. They are pricey, but they are the best.

Samsung's SUHDTV's were a really nice evolution of the LED LCD screens, but they have several problems:

1. The black levels still aren't perfect, unlike OLED. While they dim or even shut off lighting elements behind pixels which are black, the lighting resolution isn't a 1-to-1 with pixels, so there are still pixels which are supposed to be black, but are not.

2. The SUHD's are actually too bright. They wash out color detail via over saturation and brightness. That said, that could probably be adjusted, but even in Samsung's own comparison demo, a flower on the OLED showed better color contrast and detail... And Samsung TRIED to make OLED look bad.

3. When a screen is mostly black but with a bright logo or graphic, the dynamic contrast levels a halo around the bright elements. Being that the lights behind the LCD panel don't have a 1-to-1 ratio, the light bleeds over into the black, making this grayish halo effect.

All in all, OLED's from LG were just perfect. There was just nothing that could be better. The upscaling was also really good. Native 1080p stuff looked great on them. Noticeably better than 1080p display's.

My next TV is going to be an LG.

Sony get honorable mention for the thinnest TV's (but picture just wasn't as good as Sam or LG), but LG and Sam really had the two best... And LG's OLED took the best HDTV award home.
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Are oled displays prone to image retention/burn in?
 
How is motion handled on the OLED, any improvement over LCD?

I desperately want OLED TVs to come down in price and size so I can retire my plasma to another room.

I have no space for a 55 inch monster but 40 inches would be great.
 
Knew OLED would take it, my next TV will most likely be a Panasonic OLED. My VT50 is still going strong.
 
OLED's look great, I just worry about the fact that it's still new and we don't know how long they'll really last, not to mention the susceptibility to burn in. Every tv network seems to think their logo needs to be displayed on the bottom corner of the screen, then of course with games you have to worry about the HUD burning in.
 
JinCA said:
OLED's look great, I just worry about the fact that it's still new and we don't know how long they'll really last, not to mention the susceptibility to burn in. Every tv network seems to think their logo needs to be displayed on the bottom corner of the screen, then of course with games you have to worry about the HUD burning in.
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They said the same thing about plasma though, I'm on my 3rd Panasonic plasma with no burn in at all.
 
JinCA said:
It was an issue with plasma tv's early on though.
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I had a first gen plasma and didn't have burn in. I think a lot of people confuse burn in with what I call ghosting. I played Halo 2 on it for years.
 
BettaCall911 said:
I had a first gen plasma and didn't have burn in. I think a lot of people confuse burn in with what I call ghosting. I played Halo 2 on it for years.
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Oh no I know what ghosting is, that was mostly a problem on LCD tv's and can be very annoying. I know a few people who had early generation plasmas and had burn in/image retention. I know they came up with ways to combat that as time went on but I do remember them saying for like the first 200 hours or so not to play games for over an hour at a time or something like that.
 
VaLLiancE said:
It never fully went away.
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Oh I know it's just a lot better than it used to be. I remember going to E3 and checking out superman on the original xbox, the ghosting the monitor/tv they used for that game was awful and he wasn't even moving that fast.
 
JinCA said:
Oh no I know what ghosting is, that was mostly a problem on LCD tv's and can be very annoying. I know a few people who had early generation plasmas and had burn in/image retention. I know they came up with ways to combat that as time went on but I do remember them saying for like the first 200 hours or so not to play games for over an hour at a time or something like that.
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I have had and still have 3 plasma displays. None have burn in. You would have to be stupid to burn the display. Like leaving the games paused for hours. Image retention is not burn in. IR goes away.
 
Anyone wanna lend me $9k to snag one of these?
 
BettaCall911 said:
I have had and still have 3 plasma displays. None have burn in. You would have to be stupid to burn the display. Like leaving the games paused for hours. Image retention is not burn in. IR goes away.
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There were plenty of people especially early on who had burn in on their plasma displays, things like logos from tv stations etc, that's the tech not the people being stupid. Of course it doesn't help when all of these networks think we need their freaking logo showing on the bottom corner of the screen (Thanks for starting that VH1) but burn in did happen. Yes I know IR and Burn in aren't the same thing but there isn't much need to differentiate between the two in a casual conversation.
 
JinCA said:
There were plenty of people especially early on who had burn in on their plasma displays, things like logos from tv stations etc, that's the tech not the people being stupid. Of course it doesn't help when all of these networks think we need their freaking logo showing on the bottom corner of the screen (Thanks for starting that VH1) but burn in did happen. Yes I know IR and Burn in aren't the same thing but there isn't much need to differentiate between the two in a casual conversation.
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3 plasmas with one of them a first gen. No burn in. TV stays on probably 8 or more hours a day. It's on even when we're not really watching it. Burn in was overblown by the LCD crowd.
 
BettaCall911 said:
3 plasmas with one of them a first gen. No burn in. TV stays on probably 8 or more hours a day. It's on even when we're not really watching it. Burn in was overblown by the LCD crowd.
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Same here 3 Panasonic plasmas and no burn in. Currently own a 55" VT50 when I finally upgrade it will be an Oled.
 
2 Panasonics and an old Pioneer Plasma. No Burn in. May have got a good batch every time because I have seen it happen in a friend's home. The issue is still around but not nearly as wide spread or damaging as it used to be.
 
My plasma tv is like 8 years old and I've never had burn in. Most plasma tvs had a hibernation mode they went into to help reduce the likelihood of permanent burn in. You would have to have your TV on torch mode for hours and hours on end on the same channel in order to get it. There were occasional times where the screen would retain a logo for a little while but eventually it went away with other use. My TV is a Phillips with Ambient light that I bought refurbished. Still going strong...somewhat unfortunately because I want a new one.
 
This past Black Friday I replaced my LG plasma which never had permanent burn in with a LG backlit LED, but eventually developed a black line down the left side of the TV from top to bottom. Plus it was almost like a space heater.

I am waiting for 4K blu ray to cement itself for me to upgrade from my 1080p TV.
 
Samsung plasma from 4 years ago and no issue. IR happens but easy enough to get rid of. Also I have it in full mode now with the Xbox One so no pixel shift possible. Even still haven't had any burn-in and I have a habit of falling asleep watching Twitch or MLB streams and waking up to a static score image or just from a Twitch streamer's ad outlines.
 
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