EDGE backs up PS4 "50% faster" story

[Dno69]

I guess it's all how you want to look at things. Some will say that both consoles have enough power to produce beautiful games. Others will say that both are underpowered and disappointing.

I agree with you that Microsoft has to bring more franchises to market more often and really get their studios pumping out interesting stuff.

Kinect is a selling point for me and others. But options are always good to have.

 

[Flynn]

I would agree with all you said and bravo for saying it but..... KZ is getting the most praise out of all the launch games.
Clearly or night and day best/better? nah

Thank you, bro... And I concur.

That said, I'm not convinced it's true that Killzone is getting the most praise... But even if it were true, PS4 in general is widely being credited as the most powerful console, and that's not necessarily true... So my point is, people saying Killzone looks best either are saying as such based on subjective art style, popular vote, or bias... But objectively, the data we have so far suggests real world performance will be virtually identical on both consoles, and the games are indeed showing as such.

 

[Johnmiceter]

People will like it plenty with Kinect. In fact I'd bet that Kinect will be one of the most heralded features of the X1 within a year of release.

Ad don't get to upset when PS4 graphics advantage doesn't exist.

Ok I won't, if you's don't get upset eihter if the PS4 does turn out to look better.

And just like this kinect hey, I see so many at my local second hand shops, it's not funny, they can't even give it away. That's why MS made Kinect Mandatory with every X1 and are saying X1 won't work without Kinect becuase they don't want people selling them again.

One shop over here is selling a white one, with 5 games for $69, considering Kinect used to be $199 brand new here. That's why IMO why A LOT of people aren't happy about kinect coming with the Xbox1, it doesn't have a good reputation. people were interested when it first came out, but everyone has tried it now and has already decided if they like it or not.

 

[Ceger]

Ok I won't, if you's don't get upset eihter if the PS4 does turn out to look better.

And just like this kinect hey, I see so many at my local second hand shops, it's not funny, they can't even give it away. That's why MS made Kinect Mandatory with every X1 and are saying X1 won't work without Kinect becuase they don't want people selling them again.

One shop over here is selling a white one, with 5 games for $69, considering Kinect used to be $199 brand new here. That's why IMO why A LOT of people aren't happy about kinect coming with the Xbox1, it doesn't have a good reputation. people were interested when it first came out, but everyone has tried it now and has already decided if they like it or not.

Two different levels of product that share the same name. It's like comparing iPhone 2 with iPhone 5S. And those people that bought and returned the Kinect probably bought it without understanding what it did for them and their situation, partly their and MS's fault. I have kids and it is enjoyed by adults at parties and for general control all other times while using media functions on the 360.

But I do understand your point and it has validity, but I think that people will be quite impressed with Kinect 2 and X1's integration. I think MS is staying away from Kinect specific games around launch to help focus people on its benefits as core to the console experience from day one, and by having it there, even diehards against it will try it out and see that they rather have it connected than not.

BTW, Kinect hit retail out the gate at $150. And the white one only came with the Star Wars 360 bundle, so that person migh have just wanted the R2D2 360; we all know the Kinect Star Wars game sucked.

 

[Johnmiceter]

You's probably aren't that interested, but this is the link for that Kinect Bundle, it's not just a person selling it, it's a big shop we have here in Australia. http://www.jbhifi.com.au/games/

I know Kinect 2 will be better, but I don't know if a lot of the people that tried it and didn't like it, would like it, these are the people that I think are put off from buying a Xbox1 becuase of this being added in.

I bought Kinect for $199 brand new, because I was curious how it was, but mainly for kinect sports. I love real life sports and wanted to see how it played. It was fun for a few months but to be honest, I would rather just play the real sports and keep my console for relaxation. And it didn't work well in any other game that I tried.

It's good that MS are trying to improve Kinect but I just don't think they should force people to buy it. If it was a good product, word would spread quickly and people would buy it anyway, they shouldn't be made to buy it. I'm not trying to put Kinect down, but I don't like being told what to do, and MS has trying to do this since E3, and if they give us a choice to have the X1 with Kinect or none at all, well for me it's none at all.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Err I don't want Kinect... But am open to change how I feel if they make it work in a way that grabs my attention.

 

[SevenDead1ySinz]

Other than "Xbox Play' for netflix I never really used Kinect, but my kid's loved they couple of kinect games they got,, what I have seen thusfar of Kinect 2 is night and day from Kinect 1, and am willing to give it a try and let it stand on it's merits, instead of sentencing it to failure based on it's predecessors inadequacies.

 

[Qbert]

I don't see a problem with having Kinect. I have Kinect now, and am sure will use it for next gen.

 

[astrograd]

It's good that MS are trying to improve Kinect but I just don't think they should force people to buy it. If it was a good product, word would spread quickly and people would buy it anyway, they shouldn't be made to buy it. I'm not trying to put Kinect down, but I don't like being told what to do, and MS has trying to do this since E3, and if they give us a choice to have the X1 with Kinect or none at all, well for me it's none at all.

If it was an add-on devs wouldn't support it and it wouldn't be viable as a platform in and of itself. And you aren't forced to buy it. Buy a PS4 if for whatever reason you think Kinect somehow antithetical to your gaming enjoyment. Or buy a X1 and throw a dirty sock over your Kinect. Or just turn it off in the settings. MS has Kinect as an integral part of their platform, in the dash and OS NUI to media searching and control to controlling the box itself to casual/core game features. It's a significant part of the value proposition. If you don't find that value proposition appealing due to being asked to spend $100 more than PS4 for the various stuff X1 does better (like Kinect) then don't buy that platform.

Not complicated.

 

[Ceger]

You's probably aren't that interested, but this is the link for that Kinect Bundle, it's not just a person selling it, it's a big shop we have here in Australia. http://www.jbhifi.com.au/games/

I know Kinect 2 will be better, but I don't know if a lot of the people that tried it and didn't like it, would like it, these are the people that I think are put off from buying a Xbox1 becuase of this being added in.

I bought Kinect for $199 brand new, because I was curious how it was, but mainly for kinect sports. I love real life sports and wanted to see how it played. It was fun for a few months but to be honest, I would rather just play the real sports and keep my console for relaxation. And it didn't work well in any other game that I tried.

It's good that MS are trying to improve Kinect but I just don't think they should force people to buy it. If it was a good product, word would spread quickly and people would buy it anyway, they shouldn't be made to buy it. I'm not trying to put Kinect down, but I don't like being told what to do, and MS has trying to do this since E3, and if they give us a choice to have the X1 with Kinect or none at all, well for me it's none at all.

Points taken, and I didn't know you were in Australia. Yeah, you guys get hit bad with pricing.

That past Kinect experience and the fact that it was added on to a system not built from the start for it were big contributors to the mixed bag about it. Like Wii controls, it was never really meant nor capable of being a core gamer input, but it is fabulous for party, kid and media applications.

This time around it is all built together from the ground up. Its advances will create better experiences as additional input and support for core games and will be more seamless in overall console operation and experience. The only way to ensure this and to get it out all around was to make it a base part of the console. And I think that once you can play with a demonstration unit, you will be impressed and have a different opinion all around. That extra price point is for an overall more premium experience and setup; something that will really make the X1 stand out as true next generation.

I'd say wait for some hands on time before making your final decision on exactly what you think about it all.

 

[SevenDead1ySinz]

...it was never $199 new.

He's in Australia though, it was $150 when it came out here standalone, so with the markup they get down there I can see it being $199 there

 

[Ceger]

Err I don't want Kinect... But am open to change how I feel if they make it work in a way that grabs my attention.

That is all you need to do, remain open enough to really try it out in person when the system becomes available for demonstration around launch. I really think you will be impressed.

 

[astrograd]

He's in Australia though, it was $150 when it came out here standalone, so with the markup they get down there I can see it being $199 there

Ah well in that case it was probably something like $400 or whatever the crazy markup there is.

 

[Joker]

Wait didnt you say Titansfall looks great?

Yes, I did

Much more impressed with that game. Problem?

 

[Nervusbreakdown]

Other than "Xbox Play' for netflix I never really used Kinect, but my kid's loved they couple of kinect games they got,, what I have seen thusfar of Kinect 2 is night and day from Kinect 1, and am willing to give it a try and let it stand on it's merits, instead of sentencing it to failure based on it's predecessors inadequacies.

Yes I am not into the kinect but my kids loves it and I have a little girl that loves to dance and I love it when she have fun. My son like Fable Journey and to be honest that game is pretty good, better then what people put out there.

But now with these new functions and Skype I can do many things, like see my nephews instead of a call just to see their faces, also believe it or not I get job interviews on skype. So there is many things that is good, also I like the idea that I can watch a UFC fight and talk to my buddy with Skype as well instead of calling him after the fight, we can just enjoy the fight at the same time.

The biggest part for this year is New Years Eve when all cell phones goes dead when it hits 12am and you can skype when the count down begins.

They are so many factors it can be used if its done right.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Yes, I did

Much more impressed with that game. Problem?

If you are impressed with its visuals.... yes

 

[Joker]

Hey, what appeals to my eye may not be the same thing you find appealing. You'll just have to deal with that.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Hey, what appeals to my eye may not be the same thing you find appealing. You'll just have to deal with that.

If you like a 720p game that looks flat/boxy and like(current gen) COD and KZ3 had a baby over KZ SF then that's on you lol

 

[Qbert]

If you like a 720p game that looks flat/boxy and like(current gen) COD and KZ3 had a baby over KZ SF then that's on you lol

But you said "yes" to the question..."problem?".

What he likes really is of no concern to anyone and certainly not a problem......

 

[astrograd]

Cutting struggles to grasp that other ppl have different subjective opinions than him.

 

[This_Hard_Land]

But options are always good to have.

 

[astrograd]

Devs need options too. Good ones. And not including Kinect erases a potent option for them in terms of experimenting with new methods of immersing players at a time when experimenting is rewarded in big ways (early cycle innovation).

While I can understand ppl being annoyed with being asked to pay $100 more, it's just a value proposition. No shame in just not finding it valuable for your own personal tastes, gaming or otherwise. I find PS4 much less compelling as a platform thus far so I'm holding off on getting one. Such is life.

 

[IdleHands]

Devs need options too. Good ones. And not including Kinect erases a potent option for them in terms of experimenting with new methods of immersing players at a time when experimenting is rewarded in big ways (early cycle innovation).

What "new methods" are you speaking of, exactly?

 

[astrograd]

What "new methods" are you speaking of, exactly?

I was talking about Kinect, which was the context of the conversation. This may not be the thread to get into specifics though on that particular front.

 

[This_Hard_Land]

Devs need options too. Good ones. And not including Kinect erases a potent option for them in terms of experimenting with new methods of immersing players at a time when experimenting is rewarded in big ways (early cycle innovation).

While I can understand ppl being annoyed with being asked to pay $100 more, it's just a value proposition. No shame in just not finding it valuable for your own personal tastes, gaming or otherwise. I find PS4 much less compelling as a platform thus far so I'm holding off on getting one. Such is life.

So many lame things were said in this short post. I don't know where to start.

1) Kinect 2.0 may indeed be a "potent" option for developers but at this point to imply that it is, seems just a tad off. We all know how "potent" Kinect 1.0 was and you know what they say about what the best predictor of future success is...

2) You can't just lump "experimentation" up in one Pollyanna ideal. Surprise surprise, it's a little more complicated than that. Once again, we're talking about the successor of the Kinect 1.0. Not exactly a hotbed of successful experiments there.

3) "...at a time when experimenting is rewarded in big ways (early cycle innovation)." - erm, what?

4) Isn't finding the PS4/Xbox One "much less compelling" than the Xbox One/PS4 kind of like finding McDonalds much less compelling than Burger King? If this was a two console race (assuming Nintendo is still a horse) that only included the PS4 and the Wii U, you think there's a single Xbox One fan who would push away from the table and say "This industry's not for me". Astro, you're not a Microsoft shill because of the unique experiences Microsoft consoles give you. You're a shill because you enjoy being a shill.

 

[astrograd]

So many lame things were said in this short post. I don't know where to start.

1) Kinect 2.0 may indeed be a "potent" option for developers but at this point to imply that it is, seems just a tad off. We all know how "potent" Kinect 1.0 was and you know what they say about what the best predictor of future success is...

This makes no sense. It's potent in terms of them having an option to use it as a key differentiator for their product. And best predictor of future success is rational consideration of the factors that govern said success. Or are you expecting cause and effect to no longer apply in this dystopian future of yours?

2) You can't just lump "experimentation" up in one Pollyanna ideal. Surprise surprise, it's a little more complicated than that. Once again, we're talking about the successor of the Kinect 1.0. Not exactly a hotbed of successful experiments there.

...because very little experimentation was done in the console arena with it...as a direct result of it not being good timing for devs to do so and the protracted userbase compared to other areas to spend cash on. Neither of these are problems once you launch a new console with Kinect packed in. In fact, the latter is actually incentivized against.

3) "...at a time when experimenting is rewarded in big ways (early cycle innovation)." - erm, what?

Early cycle is when companies take the big risks and try to innovate as successes turn into long term franchises. There is also much less competition and audiences are actively looking for new experiences to try out on new platforms. Hence, experimentation is rewarded early cycle. Late cycle it isn't, as new IP's and new ideas get washed away in hype for sequels (typically the sequels to the early cycle success stories).

4) Isn't finding the PS4/Xbox One "much less compelling" than the Xbox One/PS4 kind of like finding McDonalds much less compelling than Burger King?

You mean in terms of personal taste? Of course. Hence my point. Ppl seem genuinely afraid to jsut admit that they don't find the value prop to align with their tastes so they try to trump up absurd slander against Kinect to try justifying their purchasing decision. It's dumb.

I don't feel the need to slander the Wii U simply because I choose another platform over its offerings. I just happen to not find Nintendo's lineup of games compelling. I'm not beholden to some looming perceived thread of being persecuted for not liking PS4 as much as I do X1. I make my conclusions based on evidence and have no trouble whatsoever conveying as much. No need to hide behind childish justifications. PS4 on the face of it sounds like a fantastic platform. But thus far I find its vision a bit lacking and most importantly I don't see many games there I want that are exclusive just yet. So yeah, personal taste is the main differentiator. As should be expected from real gamers. Is this a problem for you somehow?

Astro, you're not a Microsoft shill because of the unique experiences Microsoft consoles give you. You're a shill because you enjoy being a shill.

I'm someone who gets paid to look beneath the surface that dazzles the layman and puts aside what I WANT to be true in favor of promoting what IS true. The real world is entirely insensitive to your hopes and dreams and biases. Cause and effect matter, whether you find it convenient to admit or not. Maybe someday when you grow up a bit and discover rational discussions don't involve blatant trolling and baseless accusations you can take part in adult conversations.

 

[JinCA]

I do find it funny that people think including kinect is going to bring in a ton of support, have we even seen a kinect game announced that's not first party other than obscure dance or exercise games that will also come out for other platforms? I do know we've seen 2 games that were kinect based during development for the 360 moved to the Xbox One and made to use the controller instead (Ryse and Crimson Dragon) I just don't think you are going to see heavy support for kinect either way from 3rd parties. We'll likely see little features like voice or head tracking included but nothing major.

 

[The Living Tribunal]

Cutting struggles to grasp that other ppl have different subjective opinions than him.

I know. I just shake my head every time he posts.

 

[Mcmasters]

I do find it funny that people think including kinect is going to bring in a ton of support, have we even seen a kinect game announced that's not first party other than obscure dance or exercise games that will also come out for other platforms? I do know we've seen 2 games that were kinect based during development for the 360 moved to the Xbox One and made to use the controller instead (Ryse and Crimson Dragon) I just don't think you are going to see heavy support for kinect either way from 3rd parties. We'll likely see little features like voice or head tracking included but nothing major.

Your speaking on the Kinect 1 and it being an option. Kinect v2 is mandatory. I think you will see a lot of support for it based on that fact alone.

 

[JinCA]

Your speaking on the Kinect 1 and it being an option. Kinect v2 is mandatory. I think you will see a lot of support for it based on that fact alone.

If you were a dev who makes almost only multiplatform games would you go through the extra expense and time to add motion control features if only one platform is requiring people to own a camera? It's going to be a long time before enough Xbox One consoles are sold for a dev/pub to take a chance on anything new in that area. We'll probably just see the tacked on voice and head tracking as I said before but I really don't think we are going to see a ton of kinect integration in games.