Official Thread Everwild (Viva Piñata like?)

OneBadMutha said:
What's going on is one director was replaced and the other moved on. 2 things are not related. Using correlative evidence like this to draw a conclusion that there's a larger problem at MGS is the same kind of thinking that got us taught the food pyramid. Or is like a study that shows the link between shark attacks and eating ice cream. Two studios on opposite sides of the world in completely different development situations. Rare is doing extremely well right now and a lead decided to leave early in a project. We don't know if it's for personal reason, a better job opportunity or because he was asked to. Either way the studio has been well led and recruiting a lot of talent.
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There are no 1st party launch games for the console, no 1st party games other than Halo announced for the year after the console launches, Halo has had several high level people leave during various stages of the project and Everwild has been nothing but a tech demo since it was announced. Why the hell would MS choose to show a trailer for a game that isn't a game yet? That's on Spencer not RARE he's the one that approves that stuff, it's clear that they needed something to show and that's why Everwild was chosen, we shouldn't know about that game until they know what it's supposed to be. That's why it looks like a problem at MSGS and not just RARE, who is running the ship?

Aside from Halo I don't think you are going to get any 1st party MS games for the next gen console until 2022 and that's terrible for xbox owners. Please don't say they only show games coming in the near future, that strategy died with the 360. If that were true we wouldn't even know about Everwild, State of Decay 3 , Hellblade 2, Forza or that RPG from Obsidian. None of those were far enough along to even show gameplay yet and it's highly unlikely any of them release next year.
 
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JinCA said:
There are no 1st party launch games for the console
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Gears Tactics is first party.

JinCA said:
, no 1st party games other than Halo announced for the year after the console launches, Halo has had several high level people leave during various stages of the project and Everwild has been nothing but a tech demo since it was announced. Why the hell would MS choose to show a trailer for a game that isn't a game yet?
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Because that is what we asked for.

JinCA said:
That's on Spencer not RARE he's the one that approves that stuff, it's clear that they needed something to show and that's why Everwild was chosen, we shouldn't know about that game until they know what it's supposed to be. That's why it looks like a problem at MSGS and not just RARE, who is running the ship?
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It was never said by RARE that they don't know what Everwild was. That was again taken out of context and spread like wildfire.

JinCA said:
Aside from Halo I don't think you are going to get any 1st party MS games for the next gen console until 2022 and that's terrible for xbox owners. Please don't say they only show games coming in the near future, that strategy died with the 360. If that were true we wouldn't even know about Everwild, State of Decay 3 , Hellblade 2, Forza or that RPG from Obsidian. None of those were far enough along to even show gameplay yet and it's highly unlikely any of them release next year.
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Of course, as usual, you are wrong as rain. Xbox Game Studios has Psychonauts 2 coming out in 2021. Flight Simulator is for 2021. As Dusk Falls is 2021 (MS owns the IP, so they consider it First Party). Grounded is 2021. Halo Infinite is 2021. As for rumored 2021 titles, Forza and SOD3.
 
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JinCA said:
The story for 5 was told terribly in the game and it didn't match what the advertising teased either, it was by far the worst campaign in the series IMO with 4 as the second worst. I really do think they need to take the IP away from 343 and give another studio a try with the campaign portion at least maybe and let 343 handle MP since that seems to be the part people like.
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5s story is the worst no doubt, but has its moments. The full story, still handled by 343 is great. Awesome Sci-Fi. They need to translate it better into the game.

Halo 4s story is one of my favorites, and they nailed the Cheif and Cortana. Made them more relatable. I really liked Spartan Ops story as well.

Their gameplay loop is fantastic and they did an amazing job updating it while remaining Halo.
 
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Edge BC said:
JinCA desperately trying to spread FUD for Xbox players in Xbox threads, I see. Just another day at Union.

Also, it's been XGS for years now, not MGS, JinCA. It's time to let go, with your negative, sour piñata shenanigans.
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There have been problems with how their studios have been run for years it's just crazy that the two announced games that seemed closest to release have been losing high level people. It's not fud when it's true and I apologize for not keeping up with the branding, thank you for correcting me on that.
 
JinCA said:
There have been problems with how their studios have been run for years it's just crazy that the two announced games that seemed closest to release have been losing high level people. It's not fud when it's true and I apologize for not keeping up with the branding, thank you for correcting me on that.
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You are reaching here Jinca. You don't have to dig deep to see there's no correlative evidence of widespread issues at Xbox studios. They're recruiting better than any publisher in the industry. One of my dev friends actually thinks it's scary for the industry with how badly they're poaching leads in other studios....so the narrative will be on the flip side of what you're arguing shortly.
 
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OneBadMutha said:
You are reaching here Jinca. You don't have to dig deep to see there's no correlative evidence of widespread issues at Xbox studios. They're recruiting better than any publisher in the industry. One of my dev friends actually thinks it's scary for the industry with how badly they're poaching leads in other studios....so the narrative will be on the flip side of what you're arguing shortly.
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We should look at all the talent that left Sony in the past two years and joined MS. THAT is of greater concern especially when they have been leaving Naughty Dog.
 
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Hedon said:
We should look at all the talent that left Sony in the past two years and joined MS. THAT is of greater concern especially when they have been leaving Naughty Dog.
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Yes. End of the day, devs switch jobs all the time. It's only been magnified lately because of the rate in which established names are moving. Any successful person is entitled to better their situation. Sometimes creatives just want change. That in mind, the industry is small. AAA devs know AAA devs at other studios. Due to the high amount of contracting within the industry, word travels really fast. If there are issues with an organization, established creative leads don't generally jump into those frying pans. Devs really like Booty.

I do believe 343 has had issues since they began. They were a studio who's identity was formed when Microsoft's management was at it's worst and executives who didn't understand gaming had a lot of influence over what 1st party's strategy and culture was. They are trying to fix it now and do have some good people in place who can right the ship.

The rest of Microsoft's studios are doing very good. Rare has reinvented itself under Booty's hands off approach. This lead leaving may even be a result of that reinvention...or not be related at all.
 
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OneBadMutha said:
Yes. End of the day, devs switch jobs all the time. It's only been magnified lately because of the rate in which established names are moving. Any successful person is entitled to better their situation. Sometimes creatives just want change. That in mind, the industry is small. AAA devs know AAA devs at other studios. Due to the high amount of contracting within the industry, word travels really fast. If there are issues with an organization, established creative leads don't generally jump into those frying pans. Devs really like Booty.

I do believe 343 has had issues since they began. They were a studio who's identity was formed when Microsoft's management was at it's worst and executives who didn't understand gaming had a lot of influence over what 1st party's strategy and culture was. They are trying to fix it now and do have some good people in place who can right the ship.

The rest of Microsoft's studios are doing very good. Rare has reinvented itself under Booty's hands off approach. This lead leaving may even be a result of that reinvention...or not be related at all.
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Who doesn't?
 
My personal opinion after 343's handling of Halo 4,5 and Master Chief collection is that the studio needs to be disbanded or restarted from the ground up. They just don't seem to be up to the task of producing good Halo content games wise.

Rare seems to have found its way and got its feet underneath them now.
 
wshowers said:
My personal opinion after 343's handling of Halo 4,5 and Master Chief collection is that the studio needs to be disbanded or restarted from the ground up. They just don't seem to be up to the task of producing good Halo content games wise.

Rare seems to have found its way and got its feet underneath them now.
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Ironically one of their biggest issues has been massive turnover. In terms of who's over-seeing the game development, there's nobody left in the top positions from Halo 5 aside from Bonnie Ross. She doesn't have creative impact on the games. They've brought in talented people but they've also lost a lot.
 
OneBadMutha said:
Ironically one of their biggest issues has been massive turnover. In terms of who's over-seeing the game development, there's nobody left in the top positions from Halo 5 aside from Bonnie Ross. She doesn't have creative impact on the games. They've brought in talented people but they've also lost a lot.
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It’s not just Bonnie Ross. Frank O’Connor is there (originally from Bungie). He is the franchise development director.
 
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Louise O’Connor spent a lot of time talking about how nature and magic are combined in Everwild. She discusses how the creatures in the game are inspired by real world animals but they were all given a twist to make sure that they fit in the game they were making.

O’Connor also discusses how the game is about exploring the world and discovering new things. Fans of Sea of Thieves will find comfort with Everwild it seems.

There were not too many more details presented in the podcast, but Louise O’Connor did express that she wanted players to feel like they did when they were children and they went out and explored their surroundings.

So far this game has been presented as a magical game that you “feel” and it seems to be a game that will likely be very special. Hopefully we see the game in action soon as it is easily one of the most anticipated games coming out of Xbox Game Studios.
 
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I generally like Rare as a company and want to be interested in this title. I'm not sure the size of the team working on Everwild, but you'd think a few years in the oven would be enough time to develop a few solid gameplay loops and refine the artstyle beyond the "indie-3D" look.

If they don't get their act together, Shane Kim will have no choice but to reclaim his position at Microsoft and give them six months to convert this into Viva Pinata 3, afterward sentencing the entire team to making Kinect Avatar T-Shirts for ten years.
 
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I love the graphics and art style. I'm sure the music will also be nice.

Everything else seems to be totally up in the air.
 
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@ 45:50 mark

Question: Hey guys, do you think we will see Everwild during E3?
Grubb: No, so...I mean, it got rebooted, this thing had to get rebooted, everyone knows the creative director leftand when he left they restarted production on that game, so it's ways off, it's currently scheduling a window of like 2023.....that game is schedule to 2023 but there's a lot of stuff schedule to 2023 from XBOX so if there is any reason to push to 2024 it will get pushed, it's easily on the zone that this could happen.

(45:50)
 
karmakid said:
Take it with a evergreen load of salt



@ 45:50 mark

Question: Hey guys, do you think we will see Everwild during E3?
Grubb: No, so...I mean, it got rebooted, this thing had to get rebooted, everyone knows the creative director leftand when he left they restarted production on that game, so it's ways off, it's currently scheduling a window of like 2023.....that game is schedule to 2023 but there's a lot of stuff schedule to 2023 from XBOX so if there is any reason to push to 2024 it will get pushed, it's easily on the zone that this could happen.

(45:50)
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I don't trust anything Grubb says. IMO, he is now officially full of s***.
 
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