How can MS/Sony handle digital copies after buying retail?

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Jackie_Fhan

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So, I was thinking as people a hard time deciding if they want to go digital or retail for some games.. how can this be handled?

Obviously letting you load your game onto the HDD and let you keep it isn't going to work. You could just give it to all your friends for free or rent the game and keep it.

So, what makes the most sense?

IMO, I think they could just include it with the more exspensive collectors items. Instead of paying 60 for the title, also give me the option to pay you 80 dollars and have the digital version as well. Sure, many people would sell their game but it would still just be a one time use and sony ended up making more money on the title. I know this way has a few faults, but it could create more sales on the CE skus as well.

They could also do it by time I guess. Needing to have the disc checked once every 30 days for the digital title to continue working. I know its a fine line, but I'd be happy to get the digital copy with my CE my self.
 
Wait, so you want it how MS had it to begin with ? MS physical disc was all digital, and required a online check every 24 hours. Having it 30 days is pointless, as you could lend the game to a dozen people, have all them complete it, then get it back within that time.
 
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Please don't do this thread. I might die from bashing my head in.
 
I don't even get what you're asking? You do know the disc has to be in your Xbox for you to play it, right? It spins up once to check that the disc is in. You can't just buy a game or rent it then install it on your Xbox, give the game back, & you can still play it. It doesn't work like that. It has never worked like that. Xbox 360 was the same way. The game won't start unless there is a physical disc in the drive to spin once. That means only one box can access it at a time.

If you're talking digital downloads, I still don't get what you're trying to say. You simply download a game & it's tied to your gamertag as you own it. You can't access it unless your current gamertag is there. So say you go to Friend's house then re-download it, he can only play it if you keep your gamertag at his house. It's not like once you leave with your Gamertag he can still play it all the time.

These people are multi-billion dollar corporations, they aren't stupid. They've thought of safety measures so they make more sales & don't screw themselves. Heck, Microsoft is building this whole cloud infrastructure not for us as gamers so we have dedicated servers, but it's to deliver digital content to your home & by the time the next console is around almost all games will be on their servers that you will stream with your high-speed internet. This will all but eliminate piracy as all rentals/owns will be on their servers, the physical code for the game. Yes, Microsoft said they will probably build one more generation of consoles after Xbox One in recent interviews, but that will probably be the last as everything will be on their servers from then on out. That means the servers could do most of the processing then simply stream you the game. You'd only need an average box then to receive that signal.
 
It's about being able to play your games without having to put in a disc more than anything. It's a nice feature to have your games selecable and loadable imo

Wait, so you want it how MS had it to begin with ? MS physical disc was all digital, and required a online check every 24 hours. Having it 30 days is pointless, as you could lend the game to a dozen people, have all them complete it, then get it back within that time.
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Not really, I didn't say anything about having to be online. Just having the disc. They aren't letting us do this now because most people wouldn't be honest. I just want to have a way to do what i want with my content when I still own it, I think it's fair enough.

I don't see what is so hard to understand by what I said though, digital version is just a license to d/l and play the game on one account, I think it would be nice to get that in a CE package. It's the same as all the content and games we currently buy now, I didn't try to expand on that idea cause we all knwo that well.

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Pay more to have the digital copy as a bonus

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Let me load and play off my HDD only asking me to put my dick in once every 30 days. So, if I do sell it, it would eventually not work. I said, this idea is probably not idea. That is why I was asking what others thought could work.

I don't think you would need to be online to do this, just the OS would have to keep track of 30 days without you being able to manipulate that.
 
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Again. all you want is what MS originally offered. Only difference is you do not want to be online for the check.
 
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Jackie_Fhan said:
Let me load and play off my HDD only asking me to put my dick in once every 30 days. So, if I do sell it, it would eventually not work. I said, this idea is probably not idea. That is why I was asking what others thought could work.

I don't think you would need to be online to do this, just the OS would have to keep track of 30 days without you being able to manipulate that.
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So you're one of those people.

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Again. all you want is what MS originally offered. Only difference is you do not want to be online for the check.
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Not at all, I don't want to go to the store to trade in my game and digital code whatever

Being online to activate your game is a much bigger deal than what I am suggesting. It is a similar idea, but the difference is pretty big at the end of it all.

Under MS's rule you had to install the game it wasn't even an option. You also had to be online once every 24 hours to even play it. I just want the install no disc as an option...., that to me is a big difference.
 
This idea goes beyond illogical. It could not even exist in the realm of pure fantasy. And this idea was what almost killed Xbox, but this variation of the idea is pure madness and doesn't even make sense from a business standpoint in any way. People should be arrested for such blasphemy.
 
You can't go physical to digital without DRM, or you could sell the game disk and still keep the digital copy.

You can't have one without the other or people could basically buy games, install them, then return them.
 
What is the point of this thread? It's like: "Here's what I want personally, but they are never going to do it anyways," so I don't get the conversation. Guess what, I want 16 gb's of RAM in the Xbox One, a better GPU, & not half the processing going towards features I don't even use as a gamer. I didn't get that! Boo hoo.

Life isn't fair. You get what you get. The businesses are only going to meet a "middle ground" of sorts between being somewhat fair to the consumer & not making themselves lose tons of money. You want to install a game then take a disc out & not have to get up? You're not going to get that. Companies are NOT going to do that. They know you're simply going to take that disc & give it to somebody else.

Just get fast internet & download games that you know you are going to keep & not want to trade in if you don't want to get up to change discs all the time. They already said there might be a "trade in" program for digital games in the future anyways. You'd get a small credit towards another digital download if you traded in your old license & the game was deleted from your hard drive most likely.
 
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Have a device in the system so if you switch it to digital it scratches the f*** out of the disc.
 
This guy is clearly in cocaine or something.

Seriously, THINK before you type something... I am emphasizing the words "THINk" and "BEFORE YOU TYPE" .
 
I don't get why everyone is acting like asses. Topic makes sense to me. He is just talking about something that will never happen. One can dream though right?
 
All you need is:

- Something unique burned to each disk, a digital signature.. MS has this tech for Xbox One disks.
- Must be online during installation of the game, this tells the MS server that the disk is registered to your account.. any attempt to install the game again from another account would fail.
- Ability to de-activate your installation so the disk can be traded/loaned/sold and/or make this only possible at certain retailers as MS planned.. the reason for that is to avoid "fake sales" of games that aren't really deactivated (and as a favor to retailers, it ensures the used market stays in their hands and away from Craigslist/Ebay.)
- User could then be online/offline securely with no disk needed

For some reason MS also initially required a once every 24 hour check.. I honestly thought from a code/security perspective it wasn't necessary.. MS probably wanted that for other reasons, just to ensure their customers are always online so they can be marketed too online. Otherwise it could have been some paranoid security requirement, but that usually leads to nonsensical policies.. because if hackers break your initial installation procedure check, they can probably break your "once every 24 hour" check as well.
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
Let me load and play off my HDD only asking me to put my dick in once every 30 days. So, if I do sell it, it would eventually not work. I said, this idea is probably not idea. That is why I was asking what others thought could work.

I don't think you would need to be online to do this, just the OS would have to keep track of 30 days without you being able to manipulate that.
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Owww, I hope my console asks me that every 30 days.. maybe even more frequent.
 
Hissatsu said:
I don't get why everyone is acting like asses. Topic makes sense to me. He is just talking about something that will never happen. One can dream though right?
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Never going to happen???? LOL. It was going to happen. The SDF stepped in and gimped our console and prevented it from happening.
 
DontEatPoop said:
Owww, I hope my console asks me that every 30 days.. maybe even more frequent.
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Makes little sense you say this, I said, if you load your game disc on your HDD wthout having to have the disc in your box. Currently you have to put your game in every time you play it. so Having to do it once every 30 days after the install is somehow worse than your current set up in what way...?
 
Hissatsu said:
I don't get why everyone is acting like asses. Topic makes sense to me. He is just talking about something that will never happen. One can dream though right?
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Some would love the feature if it was there....
 
So basically like how they do movies with Blu Ray, DVD and digital copy in the same package?

You would have the disk to install and use it to authenticate once a month( or whatever timeframe) but have the digital copy stored in the cloud or something that could be downloaded on another console (friend or family)?
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
Let me load and play off my HDD only asking me to put my dick in once every 30 days. So, if I do sell it, it would eventually not work. I said, this idea is probably not idea. That is why I was asking what others thought could work.
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OMG, what am I reading. I am not judging people but its not healthy dude. Wait, you want to sell off your...Never, I am out of here.
 
BunzHoles said:
All you need is:

- Something unique burned to each disk, a digital signature.. MS has this tech for Xbox One disks.
- Must be online during installation of the game, this tells the MS server that the disk is registered to your account.. any attempt to install the game again from another account would fail.
- Ability to de-activate your installation so the disk can be traded/loaned/sold and/or make this only possible at certain retailers as MS planned.. the reason for that is to avoid "fake sales" of games that aren't really deactivated (and as a favor to retailers, it ensures the used market stays in their hands and away from Craigslist/Ebay.)
- User could then be online/offline securely with no disk needed

For some reason MS also initially required a once every 24 hour check.. I honestly thought from a code/security perspective it wasn't necessary.. MS probably wanted that for other reasons, just to ensure their customers are always online so they can be marketed too online. Otherwise it could have been some paranoid security requirement, but that usually leads to nonsensical policies.. because if hackers break your initial installation procedure check, they can probably break your "once every 24 hour" check as well.
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Again, I don't want it to be done online, but that is an option. But people would be tryng to sell it without taking it off their account.

I do think getting the digital copy tied to your account in this way would be a nice bonus item though.
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
Again, I don't want it to be done online, but that is an option. But people would be tryng to sell it without taking it off their account.

I do think getting the digital copy tied to your account in this way would be a nice bonus item though.
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It seems to me you want it to be the same as Movies. Where you buy a blu-ray and get a digital DVD quality download along with it. PS3/Vita games have done one or Two similar. In all honesty though, there is no real getting away from online. If the software/security is disc based only, it is only a matter of time before that comes to bite MS, and Publishers in general, in the ass, and lets face it, if you can download 20GB games games then why is online security checks a big issue ? ( no need to go into long ranting about being down and what not).
 
I don't get why you would want a disc and digital copy of the same game though. It's not like a movie where your gonna be using it across multiple devices (BR/DVD/tablet/phone) at home and on the go. Your physical anddigital copy is only going to be used on the same device your XB1/PS4, so why pay extra to have two of the same thing?
 
People like to collect, have it... but also the convienience of a digital copy. Now, I understand if you don't want to collect but collectors can't stop the obsession or want. I have been a collector of games and I can still see the pointlessness in it... even though I still like it.

I guess it's also a cost issue... but I never really used the digital movie stuff. A movie is usually one and done, so it kind of brings it in a different light in many ways. How many of us watch a movie more than once versus actually putting a game in over and over to play (halo, cod, UC) Even if you actually watch a movie frequently, you can understand where most people don't.

Add that some people are going to assume the apocalypse of the world.. (half joking) and they want to always be able to play their games in any circumstance with the hard copys. In 20 years, will we really be able to play all the digital only ttles from the last 5 years? Will there be a time DLC is really hard to come by? Probably
 
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I take it you don't have children? I can count on twenty hands the number of times I've watched a movie and that goes for dozens of movies...

In 20 years you'll most likely be able to play all the of the games from the past few gen. via emulation like you can now. Outside of collectors and a small contingent of gamers I don't really see the appeal of 2 in 1 hard/digital copies for games.
 
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