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GTA V has now sold over 80M with 20M being digital.
Mafia 3 has sold over 5M
NBA 2k7 8M
Civilization VI 2M
Mafia 3 has sold over 5M
NBA 2k7 8M
Civilization VI 2M
These numbers reflect the most dangerous situation Xbox brand has been in IMO. When old games and a BC game are leading your sales, it screams apathy towards recent releases. Apathy is the worst position you can be in. In 2013, the attitude was anger and frustration with Xbox. That's a better position to be in than apathy. Fixing anger is easier than fixing apathy.
Sony's 3rd party niche games are outselling all but 1 Xbox exclusive. If Sony took a dump on a desk, it would outsell Xbox exclusives right now.
Haven't seen this kind of bloodletting between the two companies since the early stage of OG Xbox...and back then Halo was king.
Sony's 3rd party niche games are outselling all but 1 Xbox exclusive. If Sony took a dump on a desk, it would outsell Xbox exclusives right now.
Haven't seen this kind of bloodletting between the two companies since the early stage of OG Xbox...and back then Halo was king.
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If they still actually do retail boxes when the game launches, I imagine they'll have a huge picture of Pewdiepie or some other youtube/gaming celebrity at the time, with a quote bubble saying: "This game is s***!"
I'm looking to preorder the excrementor's edition.
Have we covered this already? Just in case not,
Back in January, Superdata estimated that Xbox One sales were at 26 million. PS4 sales were at 55 million at that point.
That's a 2.1 to 1 ratio, up from the previous 1.8 to 1. So, the ratio by which it is selling more is getting larger.
Xbox One total the same time the previous year was estimated at 19 million, meaning it sold 7 million over the course of a year. That's not great. It's another year over year decline, in terms of worldwide sales.
We'll see if Scorpio can shift that momentum. I have my doubts, since Scorpio seems targeted mostly toward people who are already "in the tent," and its price tag will put it out of the reach of casuals. I suppose a lot will depend on what we see at E3.
It is going to be difficult to gauge Scorpio success unless MS releases sales figures. I hope they do. Maybe we'll at least get sales figures for the initial release period (e.g., "more than 2 million sold"). PS Pro sales make up about 15 to 20% of PS4 sales, from what I've heard. It will be interesting to know how big a chunk of Xbox sales will be from Scorpio. But again, that depends on MS releasing the figures.
Back in January, Superdata estimated that Xbox One sales were at 26 million. PS4 sales were at 55 million at that point.
That's a 2.1 to 1 ratio, up from the previous 1.8 to 1. So, the ratio by which it is selling more is getting larger.
Xbox One total the same time the previous year was estimated at 19 million, meaning it sold 7 million over the course of a year. That's not great. It's another year over year decline, in terms of worldwide sales.
We'll see if Scorpio can shift that momentum. I have my doubts, since Scorpio seems targeted mostly toward people who are already "in the tent," and its price tag will put it out of the reach of casuals. I suppose a lot will depend on what we see at E3.
It is going to be difficult to gauge Scorpio success unless MS releases sales figures. I hope they do. Maybe we'll at least get sales figures for the initial release period (e.g., "more than 2 million sold"). PS Pro sales make up about 15 to 20% of PS4 sales, from what I've heard. It will be interesting to know how big a chunk of Xbox sales will be from Scorpio. But again, that depends on MS releasing the figures.
I agree with the remark about projections. I remember reading their projections for PSVR sales (I think it was theirs, anyhow), and it was way off target. I don't trust their market predictions. Heck, I don't trust anyone's market predictions.
But this is a different issue. It's about current sales, not predicting future trends.
All I know is that they are not banned on GAF (like VG Chartz is), and they are regularly cited there as a source of data. I don't think they are 100% accurate by any means, but if MS won't release numbers, then we've got to get estimates from somewhere.
But this is a different issue. It's about current sales, not predicting future trends.
All I know is that they are not banned on GAF (like VG Chartz is), and they are regularly cited there as a source of data. I don't think they are 100% accurate by any means, but if MS won't release numbers, then we've got to get estimates from somewhere.
I'm thinking once the Scorpio drops the S needs to become a real entry level system. Looks like, at least on Amazon, the console is $350 but on sale for $300 or so. I say drop it to $250 and bring in the Scorpio at $400 or maybe $450.
As you probably know, we don't get precise NPD hardware numbers anymore, not even leaked. That doesn't stop SalesGAF, though. They use various hints, predictions, and PR statements to come up with estimates. Here are estimates for the past 4 months.
Jan.
PS4 212K
Xbox 157K
Feb.
PS4 395-403K
Xbox Under 233K
March
Switch 906K
PS4 407K
Xbox 238K
April
Switch 280K
PS4 201-229K
Xbox 127K
Totals for Jan - April:
PS4 1,215 - 1,251K
Xbox 755K max (gap = 460K min.)
Switch 1,186K
Jan.
PS4 212K
Xbox 157K
Feb.
PS4 395-403K
Xbox Under 233K
March
Switch 906K
PS4 407K
Xbox 238K
April
Switch 280K
PS4 201-229K
Xbox 127K
Totals for Jan - April:
PS4 1,215 - 1,251K
Xbox 755K max (gap = 460K min.)
Switch 1,186K
didn't xbox 360 & PS3 had about 80+millions liftime console sales? We are far from that, particularly X1 ( I do know we are not same time length yet)
I am mostly a full time PC game & occasional Mobile gamers, but 26million seem a bit weak, relatively speaking.
I think its not even a discussion that PS4 so far has the better exclusives, even if you ignore the power advantage,
I am mostly a full time PC game & occasional Mobile gamers, but 26million seem a bit weak, relatively speaking.
I think its not even a discussion that PS4 so far has the better exclusives, even if you ignore the power advantage,
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Yeah 360 at 85M+ and PS3 at around 80M
Xbox one is selling better than the 360 which apparently puts it at around 30M
Xbox one is selling better than the 360 which apparently puts it at around 30M
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The no exclusives and extended Scorpio talk doesn't seem to be doing Xbox any favors this year
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03 03 GRAND THEFT AUTO V PEGI 18+ ROCKSTAR
07 04 FIFA 17 PEGI 3+ EA SPORTS
04 05 PREY PEGI 18+ BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
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The no exclusives and extended Scorpio talk doesn't seem to be doing Xbox any favors this year
Yeah they are basically tied or PS3 has a slight lead but that's pretty impressive considering the huge mistakes they made with pricing early on and also coming out a year later. That just shows how MS struggles globally, they beat Sony by 20 million in the biggest market NA but Sony made it up everywhere else. MS need to appeal to more than just NA and the UK, they haven't gained any ground in that regard, in fact they've lost market share everywhere, they are even behind in the two big markets they were leaders in last time.
Yeah they are basically tied or PS3 has a slight lead, which is a failure coming from PS1 and PS2 dominance. While Xbox OG and GC only sold about 50M total units, Sony let MS and Ninty sell a combined 190-200M units, while Sony systems dropped from 150M to 85M.
That just shows despite Sony dominating the PS1 and PS2 markets, they laid an egg with an overpriced system trying to rip off their fanbase thinking everyone will shell out $599 by getting two jobs. While MS released a nicely powered system with an ancient DVD drive and still did great.
Sony needed to get back on track and stop trying to rip off their users, so they released PS4 at a good price, helping them gain market share back, but still not at the levels PS1 and PS2 dominated. Despite the gaming market growing exponentially over the past 20 years, PS4 probably still won't outsell PS1's 100M units from 20 years ago, while letting MS and Nintendo get back sales and share with recent systems like 360, X1 and Wii.
Sony needs to appeal to the global market, including getting a gimme with Japan, because if they just focus on NA and UK, it's hit and miss whether they will beat MS and Ninty in a generation.
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Sony needs to appeal to the global market just like MS and Nintendo need to. Sony just has more success at it.
Xbox One should be approaching 30 million by end of June. That's a long ways from 80 million, but then again, we are "post-generation," at least on the Microsoft side, so I'm not sure how we'll do the generational comparisons anymore.
I'm not sure whether it's selling better than 360. It was early in the gen, but I'm not so sure about now.
If i had to guess i'd say Xbox One is around 35 million sold. Not sure why Microsoft doesn't just come out and say, unless it's way worse than we think.
He's not necessarily talking about console sales. MS has been rather notorious for adopting whatever metric makes them sound good in their PR, because they don't want to report console sales (e.g., increase in number of hours played on XBL, increase in number of XBL subscribers, etc.). So who knows what his measuring stick is.
They don't want the focus on the fact that they are getting beaten, and by how much. Who would? I don't blame them. Sony did the same last gen.
They want a positive perception of their product, not to be seen as "second place" by a wide margin. Also, putting the numbers out there might demoralize their fanbase somewhat, especially the loon contingent who think they're at 35 million.
Of course, staying quiet doesn't help, either, because it looks like hiding and lack of confidence. Plus people find out anyhow, approximately.
Slow your roll. Wolf doesnt like them because VGChartz sometimes has figures off by about 5% off the figures aren't updated for a month.
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